Take a Look at This
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I'm still trying to familiarize myself with the new format so if this is being discussed elsewhere feel free to merge or delete.
I'm not sure what this looks like for other teams, the Rams (coming to mind) might look ugly. This doesn't seem to be a diligent way to run a franchise.
**I found this on a Pittsburgh sports social media page.
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Just goes to show that cap management is a very important part of an NFL franchise. Luckily, we seem to be in very good hands in that department and have an owner who isn't afraid and has the ability to spend money.
I don't recall a situation in the recent past where we have had to cut a player of any meaning to get under the cap...knock on wood.
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Over the last few years, you see the contracts that were pushed back / extended so as to Make The Numbers Work. However, as the Saints can also tell you, eventually it all comes due.
Might as well get this knocked out before we actively need to spend to be a playoff contender.
Every individual season it's always easier to push an 8M dead contract into 2 each year for the next 4.. but at some point all the extended shit becomes absurd and you should just bite the bullet one season. We'll always remember those key sacks from Joe Tryon!
I'll always want to spend cash efficiently.. Cam Robinson last year somehow had a 12M salary which was absurd. But his cost to browns was only whatever prorated amount of his 2M salary was -- which seems about right for the whiff blocks he added. Just because someone's available doesn't mean they're better.
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I know, my obsession, but this doesn't account for Watson's numbers
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I'm still trying to familiarize myself with the new format so if this is being discussed elsewhere feel free to merge or delete.
I'm not sure what this looks like for other teams, the Rams (coming to mind) might look ugly. This doesn't seem to be a diligent way to run a franchise.
**I found this on a Pittsburgh sports social media page.
I'm still trying to familiarize myself with the new format so if this is being discussed elsewhere feel free to merge or delete.
I'm not sure what this looks like for other teams, the Rams (coming to mind) might look ugly. This doesn't seem to be a diligent way to run a franchise.
**I found this on a Pittsburgh sports social media page.
What it shows is paying for veterans from other teams/keeping productive veterans can be very expensive against the cap. If a team can consistently draft well (bearing in mind there's a rookie salary and rightfully so considering the portion of 1st NFL contact that is on a learning curve that can vary 1-3 years depending on the oganization they go to).
The last 2 drafts seem very promising in tandem with Berry's ability to work his magic with the cap. If this continues there will be less of a need to sign a lot of veteran FAs or trade for any veteran with his best football in the rear view mirror.
All that said AP1, I don't spend a lot of time looking at contracts or all the stuff about them I remain ignorant about.
I'm old school in the sense I prefer to win through the draft which should be cohesive with a philosophy. In the early 70s, Art Rooney hired former Cleveland Brown Messenger Guard (Chuck Noll) under Paul Brown. Why? He wanted a reliable and weather-fit Running Game that could set up a balanced approach to theaten/beat people vertically with the pass as well. The STUDENTS of Paul Brown that went on to coach multiple Super Bowl Championships include: Don Shula, Chuck Noll, and Bill Walsh just to name a few...
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I'm still trying to familiarize myself with the new format so if this is being discussed elsewhere feel free to merge or delete.
I'm not sure what this looks like for other teams, the Rams (coming to mind) might look ugly. This doesn't seem to be a diligent way to run a franchise.
**I found this on a Pittsburgh sports social media page.
What it shows is paying for veterans from other teams/keeping productive veterans can be very expensive against the cap. If a team can consistently draft well (bearing in mind there's a rookie salary and rightfully so considering the portion of 1st NFL contact that is on a learning curve that can vary 1-3 years depending on the oganization they go to).
The last 2 drafts seem very promising in tandem with Berry's ability to work his magic with the cap. If this continues there will be less of a need to sign a lot of veteran FAs or trade for any veteran with his best football in the rear view mirror.
All that said AP1, I don't spend a lot of time looking at contracts or all the stuff about them I remain ignorant about.
I'm old school in the sense I prefer to win through the draft which should be cohesive with a philosophy. In the early 70s, Art Rooney hired former Cleveland Brown Messenger Guard (Chuck Noll) under Paul Brown. Why? He wanted a reliable and weather-fit Running Game that could set up a balanced approach to theaten/beat people vertically with the pass as well. The STUDENTS of Paul Brown that went on to coach multiple Super Bowl Championships include: Don Shula, Chuck Noll, and Bill Walsh just to name a few...
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which is another reason it should be The Brown trophy instead of that fool lombardi
Paul Brown won three NFL titles.
Lombardi won three NFL titles and two Super Bowls, the first two in history.
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Paul Brown won three NFL titles.
Lombardi won three NFL titles and two Super Bowls, the first two in history.
if coach Brown had still been the Browns coach in 67 he may have very well won the first super bowl, he probably (even Tho the 67 roster wasnt bad at all) would have had a better roster and as a coach he is better than collier, so again fuck lombardi
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Paul Brown won three NFL titles.
Lombardi won three NFL titles and two Super Bowls, the first two in history.
...and the spoils go to the winners...but one could argue that on top of his NFL Championships Paul Brown was an innovator with such things as his shuttling plays into the QB, his emphasis on the draft as well as face masks. Of course when naming the trophy Brown's AAFC titles were scoffed at.
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Paul Brown won three NFL titles.
Lombardi won three NFL titles and two Super Bowls, the first two in history.
if coach Brown had still been the Browns coach in 67 he may have very well won the first super bowl, he probably (even Tho the 67 roster wasnt bad at all) would have had a better roster and as a coach he is better than collier, so again fuck lombardi
if coach Brown had still been the Browns coach in 67 he may have very well won the first super bowl, he probably (even Tho the 67 roster wasnt bad at all) would have had a better roster and as a coach he is better than collier, so again fuck lombardi
If Brown hadn't traded three future Hall of Fame defensive players in the Doug Atkins, Willie Davis and Henry Jordan, two to the Packers, the Browns might have had a better than mediocre defense in the 60s. Imagine how that defensive line would have looked in orange and brown.
But he did.
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Paul Brown won three NFL titles.
Lombardi won three NFL titles and two Super Bowls, the first two in history.
...and the spoils go to the winners...but one could argue that on top of his NFL Championships Paul Brown was an innovator with such things as his shuttling plays into the QB, his emphasis on the draft as well as face masks. Of course when naming the trophy Brown's AAFC titles were scoffed at.
...and the spoils go to the winners...but one could argue that on top of his NFL Championships Paul Brown was an innovator with such things as his shuttling plays into the QB, his emphasis on the draft as well as face masks. Of course when naming the trophy Brown's AAFC titles were scoffed at.
I'll never debate that - Paul Brown basically was the father of modern football and his influence IMO was greater than Lombardi's.
But if my life depended on the result of one football game, I'd go with Lombardi as head coach.
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Paul Brown won three NFL titles.
Lombardi won three NFL titles and two Super Bowls, the first two in history.
...and the spoils go to the winners...but one could argue that on top of his NFL Championships Paul Brown was an innovator with such things as his shuttling plays into the QB, his emphasis on the draft as well as face masks. Of course when naming the trophy Brown's AAFC titles were scoffed at.
...and the spoils go to the winners...but one could argue that on top of his NFL Championships Paul Brown was an innovator with such things as his shuttling plays into the QB, his emphasis on the draft as well as face masks. Of course when naming the trophy Brown's AAFC titles were scoffed at.
Well said! Paul Brown also experimented with wiring plays into the QB's helmet, which undoubtedly had people thinking he was walking a fine line/tightrope between insanity & Brilliance. Guess how they get plays in from the sideline to the QB today?
I had to give @syd high kudos. I think he's on the right track. I think Paul Brown should have at least had his name on the AFC Championship Trophy Award. There was NO Curley Lambeau laying the foundation and winning tradition before Paul Brown in Cleveland like Lombardi had. Paul Brown started up the Browns in 1946 and they won all 4 of the AAFC Championships in that Pro Football league before joining the NFL despite warnings from every direction "let's see how the Browns handle REAL competition in the NFL." How does making the NFL Championship Game in all of the 1st 6 seasons the Browns competed in the NFL sound? Okay, they won the NFL Championship in their very 1st season and proceeded to win 3 NFL Championships in those 1st 6 seasons/Championship appearances I spoke of. Speaking of speaking by not speaking, a great quote from him was "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less."
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Paul Brown won three NFL titles.
Lombardi won three NFL titles and two Super Bowls, the first two in history.
In Otto Graham's 10 year Pro Football career under Paul Brown - Otto led the Browns to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship appearances and won 7 of them. The Super Bowl is just another name for an NFL Championship with more Commercials and a Janet Jackson milker or 2...
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Paul Brown won three NFL titles.
Lombardi won three NFL titles and two Super Bowls, the first two in history.
In Otto Graham's 10 year Pro Football career under Paul Brown - Otto led the Browns to 10 consecutive Pro Football Championship appearances and won 7 of them. The Super Bowl is just another name for an NFL Championship with more Commercials and a Janet Jackson milker or 2...
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Put your moobs back in!.. Shame on you!!?
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...and the spoils go to the winners...but one could argue that on top of his NFL Championships Paul Brown was an innovator with such things as his shuttling plays into the QB, his emphasis on the draft as well as face masks. Of course when naming the trophy Brown's AAFC titles were scoffed at.
I'll never debate that - Paul Brown basically was the father of modern football and his influence IMO was greater than Lombardi's.
But if my life depended on the result of one football game, I'd go with Lombardi as head coach.
But if my life depended on the result of one football game, I'd go with Lombardi as head coach.
I'm not so sure...he certainly had more talent across the roster...and Bart Starr running the offense on the field.
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But if my life depended on the result of one football game, I'd go with Lombardi as head coach.
I'm not so sure...he certainly had more talent across the roster...and Bart Starr running the offense on the field.
I'm not so sure...he certainly had more talent across the roster...and Bart Starr running the offense on the field.
I think the offenses were comparable. The Browns had some serious talent on the offensive side.
And like I said, the Browns defense would have been better if Brown hadn't traded away three HOF defensive linemen.
Frank Ryan wasn't a slouch in comparison to Starr either. I think if Ryan played for Lombardi during the same era, the results for the Packers would have been similar. In a lot of ways they were comparable, both very cerebral QBs with good arms.
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I remember watching Browns / Packers games in the 60's and I always felt that they were just too dang good for us. Starr, Boyd Dowler, Carol Dayle, Paul Horning, Jim Taylor, etc. And they had a pretty good OLine of their own. And that Ray Nitschke was a genuine PITA to us.
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I remember watching Browns / Packers games in the 60's and I always felt that they were just too dang good for us. Starr, Boyd Dowler, Carol Dayle, Paul Horning, Jim Taylor, etc. And they had a pretty good OLine of their own. And that Ray Nitschke was a genuine PITA to us.
I remember watching Browns / Packers games in the 60's and I always felt that they were just too dang good for us. Starr, Boyd Dowler, Carol Dayle, Paul Horning, Jim Taylor, etc. And they had a pretty good OLine of their own. And that Ray Nitschke was a genuine PITA to us.
Well, we had Jim Brown, Bobby Mitchell, Gary Collins, eventually adding Paul Warfield and a pretty stout OLine too, lead by Gene Hickerson.
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I remember watching Browns / Packers games in the 60's and I always felt that they were just too dang good for us. Starr, Boyd Dowler, Carol Dayle, Paul Horning, Jim Taylor, etc. And they had a pretty good OLine of their own. And that Ray Nitschke was a genuine PITA to us.
Well, we had Jim Brown, Bobby Mitchell, Gary Collins, eventually adding Paul Warfield and a pretty stout OLine too, lead by Gene Hickerson.
Well, we had Jim Brown, Bobby Mitchell, Gary Collins, eventually adding Paul Warfield and a pretty stout OLine too, lead by Gene Hickerson.
Yup. Those were the good ol' days. (Ernie Green more than Mitchell...and don't forget Milt Moran) But we could never beat those dang Packers. Between 1957 and 1979 we beat 'em once. Back in those days the QB's ran the offense and called the plays. Paul Brown however, would send in plays from time to time with his 'Messenger Guards'. Of course now no QB's call plays. The HC's are much more involved in the game play now than they ever were back in Lombardi's days.
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