Browns offensive line deserves their own thread !
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If we're going to have any kind of an offense at all we're going to need some decent OL play. We have Judkins and we'd like him to have some holes to run through...because we want to be able to run the ball so teams won't be able to focus all of their efforts on our passing game. We don't want any excuses for our QB evaluation(s) this season.
If we're going to have any kind of an offense at all we're going to need some decent OL play. We have Judkins and we'd like him to have some holes to run through...because we want to be able to run the ball so teams won't be able to focus all of their efforts on our passing game. We don't want any excuses for our QB evaluation(s) this season.
Good line play or not you know the excuses will be rampant.
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If we're going to have any kind of an offense at all we're going to need some decent OL play. We have Judkins and we'd like him to have some holes to run through...because we want to be able to run the ball so teams won't be able to focus all of their efforts on our passing game. We don't want any excuses for our QB evaluation(s) this season.
And we were having trouble making 1 yard gains against Chi. I was not encouraged.
And we were having trouble making 1 yard gains against Chi. I was not encouraged.
You know that the O line is usually the last unit to finally pull together. It might take until week 17.
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After getting the bulk of OL charting in.
Spencer Fano's debut was 'meh' Did rookie things good and bad.
KT Leveston shouldn't be allowed anywhere on this OL
Luke Wypler took up a notch in the running game. Still struggles with his short sets in straight drop pass pro.
Overall, OL looks better. But it was so abysmal last year, there was no where to go but up. They don't look like the 32nd unit in the NFL. But it's not top 5 like it was.
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And we were having trouble making 1 yard gains against Chi. I was not encouraged.
You know that the O line is usually the last unit to finally pull together. It might take until week 17.
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I still hope they keep adding young talent to the OLine in the next draft. The current starting OLine minus Fano is a short term fix.
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After getting the bulk of OL charting in.
Spencer Fano's debut was 'meh' Did rookie things good and bad.
KT Leveston shouldn't be allowed anywhere on this OL
Luke Wypler took up a notch in the running game. Still struggles with his short sets in straight drop pass pro.
Overall, OL looks better. But it was so abysmal last year, there was no where to go but up. They don't look like the 32nd unit in the NFL. But it's not top 5 like it was.
Spencer Fano's debut was 'meh
“Going against him, he’s gotten so much better in these past couple of weeks," Verse said. "And because he’s getting better, it’s getting to the point where I’m starting to learn things from him. I’m starting to learn a little bit about my tendencies, and what he’s picking up on. So it’s making me a better player as well.”
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Spencer Fano's debut was 'meh
“Going against him, he’s gotten so much better in these past couple of weeks," Verse said. "And because he’s getting better, it’s getting to the point where I’m starting to learn things from him. I’m starting to learn a little bit about my tendencies, and what he’s picking up on. So it’s making me a better player as well.”
“Going against him, he’s gotten so much better in these past couple of weeks," Verse said. "And because he’s getting better, it’s getting to the point where I’m starting to learn things from him. I’m starting to learn a little bit about my tendencies, and what he’s picking up on. So it’s making me a better player as well.”
That's awesome and absolutely I love the amount of time Verse has put in with not only his guys, but the guys across from him. It will make everyone individually and collectively better for it.
That said, I can find you hundreds of quotes from players who complimented their teammates in practice and joint sessions then those same teammates went on and struggled in live fire against opposing players. None of Jared's quote changes that Spencer had a pretty average debut where he did some rookie things - both good and bad.
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“Going against him, he’s gotten so much better in these past couple of weeks," Verse said. "And because he’s getting better, it’s getting to the point where I’m starting to learn things from him. I’m starting to learn a little bit about my tendencies, and what he’s picking up on. So it’s making me a better player as well.”
That's awesome and absolutely I love the amount of time Verse has put in with not only his guys, but the guys across from him. It will make everyone individually and collectively better for it.
That said, I can find you hundreds of quotes from players who complimented their teammates in practice and joint sessions then those same teammates went on and struggled in live fire against opposing players. None of Jared's quote changes that Spencer had a pretty average debut where he did some rookie things - both good and bad.
That's awesome and absolutely I love the amount of time Verse has put in with not only his guys, but the guys across from him. It will make everyone individually and collectively better for it.
That said, I can find you hundreds of quotes from players who complimented their teammates in practice and joint sessions then those same teammates went on and struggled in live fire against opposing players. None of Jared's quote changes that Spencer had a pretty average debut where he did some rookie things - both good and bad.
I don't remember, it was almost 20 years ago, but do you recall how Joe Thomas was doing at this point of his rookie season?
I can't recall if he hit the road running and was great right off the bat or was he having his ups and downs during training camp too?
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That's awesome and absolutely I love the amount of time Verse has put in with not only his guys, but the guys across from him. It will make everyone individually and collectively better for it.
That said, I can find you hundreds of quotes from players who complimented their teammates in practice and joint sessions then those same teammates went on and struggled in live fire against opposing players. None of Jared's quote changes that Spencer had a pretty average debut where he did some rookie things - both good and bad.
I don't remember, it was almost 20 years ago, but do you recall how Joe Thomas was doing at this point of his rookie season?
I can't recall if he hit the road running and was great right off the bat or was he having his ups and downs during training camp too?
I don't remember, it was almost 20 years ago, but do you recall how Joe Thomas was doing at this point of his rookie season?
I can't recall if he hit the road running and was great right off the bat or was he having his ups and downs during training camp too?
I was in-between schools at that point and working a lot. But I do vaguely remember Brady & Joe missing parts of camp because of contract negotiations.
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https://athlonsports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/joe-thomas-mentoring-browns-rookie-spencer-fano
"Spencer Fano is Working at Moving From Right Tackle to Left Tackle
Fano seems to be getting mentorship from all angles, including Jared Verse, who worked with him after practice to help him acclimate to NFL edge rushers.
“Jared is impressive, but he’s talking to him from a defensive perspective, which is great for a young guy to hear, what he’s looking at, why he’s going to attack him a certain way,” Warhop said. “That’s great knowledge, so he’s getting a different perspective than I’m giving him. As long as you can embrace that and absorb it, it’s going to help raise your ceiling.”
But Warhop has seen Fano take all the instruction and put it to good use, while also embracing the challenge of going against elites like Verse.
“The biggest challenge for Spence, he’s really gotten comfortable going from the right side to the left side, that’s the first thing,” Warhop said. “Then the next thing, he’s really embraced the competition, which is outstanding.”"
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“Going against him, he’s gotten so much better in these past couple of weeks," Verse said. "And because he’s getting better, it’s getting to the point where I’m starting to learn things from him. I’m starting to learn a little bit about my tendencies, and what he’s picking up on. So it’s making me a better player as well.”
That's awesome and absolutely I love the amount of time Verse has put in with not only his guys, but the guys across from him. It will make everyone individually and collectively better for it.
That said, I can find you hundreds of quotes from players who complimented their teammates in practice and joint sessions then those same teammates went on and struggled in live fire against opposing players. None of Jared's quote changes that Spencer had a pretty average debut where he did some rookie things - both good and bad.
That's awesome and absolutely I love the amount of time Verse has put in with not only his guys, but the guys across from him. It will make everyone individually and collectively better for it.
That said, I can find you hundreds of quotes from players who complimented their teammates in practice and joint sessions then those same teammates went on and struggled in live fire against opposing players. None of Jared's quote changes that Spencer had a pretty average debut where he did some rookie things - both good and bad.
Going from the consistent competition levels Fano's college team at Utah faced isn't anything like some of the competition he'll face in the NFL/AFC North in particular. Now factor in he's changing back to his 2nd most efficient position (LT) on the OL as rookie. Why that? There's going to be an adjustment period.
Remember when the Browns drafted Nevada T Austin Corbett 33rd overall in 2018 (2-3 slots ahead of Nick Chubb)? Corbett got off to a slow start adjusting to the NFL not nearly as ready to start on the OL as another former Nevada T Joel Bitonio once did here. And what did most of ou fans think about him as a result? "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." He went elsewhere and became a starter at OG for the Super Bowl Champion LA Rams and stated 40 of 41 games there per this cut and paste:
That led to a contract extension in Carolina meaning they liked him too. Today, he's competing for a starting OL spot with the Buffalo Bills. Overall point here is some guys don't develop as quickly as others (especially given the competition levels faced in college); but sometimes a development that took longer to unfold all of the reasons he was drafted for can lead to a nice long career full of quality starts. That's probably a lot more guys like that who that had similar beginnings in the trenches and woked their way into solid stater. sFano's NFL career is still in diapers just 1 pre-season game old. I'm reminding myself of that every bit as much as I am with you and others.
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That's awesome and absolutely I love the amount of time Verse has put in with not only his guys, but the guys across from him. It will make everyone individually and collectively better for it.
That said, I can find you hundreds of quotes from players who complimented their teammates in practice and joint sessions then those same teammates went on and struggled in live fire against opposing players. None of Jared's quote changes that Spencer had a pretty average debut where he did some rookie things - both good and bad.
Going from the consistent competition levels Fano's college team at Utah faced isn't anything like some of the competition he'll face in the NFL/AFC North in particular. Now factor in he's changing back to his 2nd most efficient position (LT) on the OL as rookie. Why that? There's going to be an adjustment period.
Remember when the Browns drafted Nevada T Austin Corbett 33rd overall in 2018 (2-3 slots ahead of Nick Chubb)? Corbett got off to a slow start adjusting to the NFL not nearly as ready to start on the OL as another former Nevada T Joel Bitonio once did here. And what did most of ou fans think about him as a result? "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." He went elsewhere and became a starter at OG for the Super Bowl Champion LA Rams and stated 40 of 41 games there per this cut and paste:
That led to a contract extension in Carolina meaning they liked him too. Today, he's competing for a starting OL spot with the Buffalo Bills. Overall point here is some guys don't develop as quickly as others (especially given the competition levels faced in college); but sometimes a development that took longer to unfold all of the reasons he was drafted for can lead to a nice long career full of quality starts. That's probably a lot more guys like that who that had similar beginnings in the trenches and woked their way into solid stater. sFano's NFL career is still in diapers just 1 pre-season game old. I'm reminding myself of that every bit as much as I am with you and others.
Going from the consistent competition levels Fano's college team at Utah faced isn't anything like some of the competition he'll face in the NFL/AFC North in particular. Now factor in he's changing back to his 2nd most efficient position (LT) on the OL as rookie. Why that? There's going to be an adjustment period.
Remember when the Browns drafted Nevada T Austin Corbett 33rd overall in 2018 (2-3 slots ahead of Nick Chubb)? Corbett got off to a slow start adjusting to the NFL not nearly as ready to start on the OL as another former Nevada T Joel Bitonio once did here. And what did most of ou fans think about him as a result? "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." He went elsewhere and became a starter at OG for the Super Bowl Champion LA Rams and stated 40 of 41 games there per this cut and paste:
That led to a contract extension in Carolina meaning they liked him too. Today, he's competing for a starting OL spot with the Buffalo Bills. Overall point here is some guys don't develop as quickly as others (especially given the competition levels faced in college); but sometimes a development that took longer to unfold all of the reasons he was drafted for can lead to a nice long career full of quality starts. That's probably a lot more guys like that who that had similar beginnings in the trenches and woked their way into solid stater. sFano's NFL career is still in diapers just 1 pre-season game old. I'm reminding myself of that every bit as much as I am with you and others.
Absolutely it's a development process. My critique of Fano isn't that I'm unaware of him being a rookie and him needing time to improve. Only that, as expected for a rookie, he struggled at various points. The downside in the Not For Long is that teams who draft rookies have an initial period in order to gauge a players progress, then to see if that progress merits further investment.
Corbett is an interesting example. He was an OT, got ***some*** reps at OT then kicked inside to OG. He struggled there, quite a bit. He was shipped off halfway through his 2nd season and found a home where he could focus on his one position.
Fano & Corbett share that commonality - they both have a home at 1 position, post switch, they're now being tasked with improving on. What I'm hoping shows up in my charting for Fano is continuous improvement over a 17 game season.
By no means did I expect Spencer to be Joe Thomas day 1. I also made my thoughts clear on his struggles pre/post draft. If he can minimize those struggles and become a consistently effective LT then that's great. If those same shortcomings consistently pop-up, I will be equal in my critique and my praise.
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Going from the consistent competition levels Fano's college team at Utah faced isn't anything like some of the competition he'll face in the NFL/AFC North in particular. Now factor in he's changing back to his 2nd most efficient position (LT) on the OL as rookie. Why that? There's going to be an adjustment period.
Remember when the Browns drafted Nevada T Austin Corbett 33rd overall in 2018 (2-3 slots ahead of Nick Chubb)? Corbett got off to a slow start adjusting to the NFL not nearly as ready to start on the OL as another former Nevada T Joel Bitonio once did here. And what did most of ou fans think about him as a result? "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out." He went elsewhere and became a starter at OG for the Super Bowl Champion LA Rams and stated 40 of 41 games there per this cut and paste:
That led to a contract extension in Carolina meaning they liked him too. Today, he's competing for a starting OL spot with the Buffalo Bills. Overall point here is some guys don't develop as quickly as others (especially given the competition levels faced in college); but sometimes a development that took longer to unfold all of the reasons he was drafted for can lead to a nice long career full of quality starts. That's probably a lot more guys like that who that had similar beginnings in the trenches and woked their way into solid stater. sFano's NFL career is still in diapers just 1 pre-season game old. I'm reminding myself of that every bit as much as I am with you and others.
Absolutely it's a development process. My critique of Fano isn't that I'm unaware of him being a rookie and him needing time to improve. Only that, as expected for a rookie, he struggled at various points. The downside in the Not For Long is that teams who draft rookies have an initial period in order to gauge a players progress, then to see if that progress merits further investment.
Corbett is an interesting example. He was an OT, got ***some*** reps at OT then kicked inside to OG. He struggled there, quite a bit. He was shipped off halfway through his 2nd season and found a home where he could focus on his one position.
Fano & Corbett share that commonality - they both have a home at 1 position, post switch, they're now being tasked with improving on. What I'm hoping shows up in my charting for Fano is continuous improvement over a 17 game season.
By no means did I expect Spencer to be Joe Thomas day 1. I also made my thoughts clear on his struggles pre/post draft. If he can minimize those struggles and become a consistently effective LT then that's great. If those same shortcomings consistently pop-up, I will be equal in my critique and my praise.
Absolutely it's a development process. My critique of Fano isn't that I'm unaware of him being a rookie and him needing time to improve. Only that, as expected for a rookie, he struggled at various points. The downside in the Not For Long is that teams who draft rookies have an initial period in order to gauge a players progress, then to see if that progress merits further investment.
Corbett is an interesting example. He was an OT, got ***some*** reps at OT then kicked inside to OG. He struggled there, quite a bit. He was shipped off halfway through his 2nd season and found a home where he could focus on his one position.
Fano & Corbett share that commonality - they both have a home at 1 position, post switch, they're now being tasked with improving on. What I'm hoping shows up in my charting for Fano is continuous improvement over a 17 game season.
By no means did I expect Spencer to be Joe Thomas day 1. I also made my thoughts clear on his struggles pre/post draft. If he can minimize those struggles and become a consistently effective LT then that's great. If those same shortcomings consistently pop-up, I will be equal in my critique and my praise.
Well said; and I knew you knew TJ. That said, I thought it was an ideal opportunity in the flow of discussion to remind everyone (including muhself) he's gonna have some growing pains unless he's the next Joe Thomas, Walter Jones or Orlando Pace. My guess is the college competition levels of those 3 guys had them better prepared than a guy coming out of Utah (even though Utah faced Texas Tech's defense that had some studs heading to the NFL). I'll bet his Utah buddy/teammate Caleb Lomu is finding some challenges at LT in NE's Camp (while last year's 4th overall pick there - Will Campbell is probably hoping Lomu does well so he can kick inside like Corbett did in LA and face some slower footed pass rushers). In fairness to Corbett, the Browns had him learning C, G & T as a wide-eyed rookie - and he just wasn't ready for the too much too soon (cognitive) overload.
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dammit. I did it again? I type so fast the computer didn't pick up the copy and paste, I guess.
dammit.
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