Who do you think our starting QB will be?
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Ok, well I was wrong on them cutting DW loose.
How in the bleep did this Jimmy Haslam become a billionaire? He's so effing dumb.
Watson shits on the fan base Saturday. Haslam shits on us Monday.
Life as a Browns fan, how peachy?
Ok, well I was wrong on them cutting DW loose.
How in the bleep did this Jimmy Haslam become a billionaire? He's so effing dumb.
Watson shits on the fan base Saturday. Haslam shits on us Monday.
Life as a Browns fan, how peachy?
Jimmy is a nepo baby.
He's one of those dipshits born on third base who thinks he hit a triple. And because he has money, there will people who will kiss his ass and tell him how brilliant he is.
Reminds me of another high profile person, honestly.
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Ok, well I was wrong on them cutting DW loose.
How in the bleep did this Jimmy Haslam become a billionaire? He's so effing dumb.
Watson shits on the fan base Saturday. Haslam shits on us Monday.
Life as a Browns fan, how peachy?
Jimmy is a nepo baby.
He's one of those dipshits born on third base who thinks he hit a triple. And because he has money, there will people who will kiss his ass and tell him how brilliant he is.
Reminds me of another high profile person, honestly.
Jimmy is a nepo baby.
He's one of those dipshits born on third base who thinks he hit a triple.
So the opposite of Ryan Day, you're saying?
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Follow the $$.
I'm guessing that watson will be named because if he could just do something to look
like another team would give them a 7th round pick for him, they could make a trade and try to save face
over the entire debacle.
I'm guessing that watson will be named because if he could just do something to look
like another team would give them a 7th round pick for him, they could make a trade and try to save face
over the entire debacle.
They will end up paying him over $230 mill over five years. They gave up three first rounders, a third rounder and two fourth rounders for him too.
If you think that in some universe flipping that for a seventh rounder somehow "saves face" in even the slightest way, you are even dumber than I've always suspected.
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The Browns first home game is Sunday, September 27th vs the Panthers.
I'm guessing they'll go into the game 0-2, and it is going to be ugly if Watson is still starting.
I have a feeling Browns fans will be the topic of national sports conversation that night. I wish I was going to the game to witness it in all it's glory.
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Ok, well I was wrong on them cutting DW loose.
How in the bleep did this Jimmy Haslam become a billionaire? He's so effing dumb.
Watson shits on the fan base Saturday. Haslam shits on us Monday.
Life as a Browns fan, how peachy?
Ok, well I was wrong on them cutting DW loose.
Somewhere in one of the sports TV shows they explained how much costlier it will be in terms of the cap than to just cut him than to let him play out the last year of his contract. None of that shit makes a bit of sense to me, but maybe someone who understands it all could explain it.
Here is an article explaining it, but damned if I understand it. Seems like mumbo jumbo, but it also explains why I said follow the $$.
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Ok, well I was wrong on them cutting DW loose.
Somewhere in one of the sports TV shows they explained how much costlier it will be in terms of the cap than to just cut him than to let him play out the last year of his contract. None of that shit makes a bit of sense to me, but maybe someone who understands it all could explain it.
Here is an article explaining it, but damned if I understand it. Seems like mumbo jumbo, but it also explains why I said follow the $$.
Somewhere in one of the sports TV shows they explained how much costlier it will be in terms of the cap than to just cut him than to let him play out the last year of his contract. None of that shit makes a bit of sense to me, but maybe someone who understands it all could explain it.
Here is an article explaining it, but damned if I understand it. Seems like mumbo jumbo, but it also explains why I said follow the $$.
I'm with you, this business side of the NFL salary cap isn't "fun to learn." We're all just (angry, confused) fans.
It's really really hard to give the Browns any credit at all for kicking the DW salary down the road, perhaps this was the only way to get it done.
Me, I look at it in football sense. They drafted 3 QBs in 2 years and choose to bench them all in favor of this "veteran" who is polarizing as hell.
We're all tired of the "tanking." Tired of the mismanagement.
It's supposed to be " Pro Football," instead it's an accounting firm. WTF.
Karlis Missed -
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Somewhere in one of the sports TV shows they explained how much costlier it will be in terms of the cap than to just cut him than to let him play out the last year of his contract. None of that shit makes a bit of sense to me, but maybe someone who understands it all could explain it.
Here is an article explaining it, but damned if I understand it. Seems like mumbo jumbo, but it also explains why I said follow the $$.
I'm with you, this business side of the NFL salary cap isn't "fun to learn." We're all just (angry, confused) fans.
It's really really hard to give the Browns any credit at all for kicking the DW salary down the road, perhaps this was the only way to get it done.
Me, I look at it in football sense. They drafted 3 QBs in 2 years and choose to bench them all in favor of this "veteran" who is polarizing as hell.
We're all tired of the "tanking." Tired of the mismanagement.
It's supposed to be " Pro Football," instead it's an accounting firm. WTF.
I'm with you, this business side of the NFL salary cap isn't "fun to learn." We're all just (angry, confused) fans.
It's really really hard to give the Browns any credit at all for kicking the DW salary down the road, perhaps this was the only way to get it done.
Me, I look at it in football sense. They drafted 3 QBs in 2 years and choose to bench them all in favor of this "veteran" who is polarizing as hell.
We're all tired of the "tanking." Tired of the mismanagement.
It's supposed to be " Pro Football," instead it's an accounting firm. WTF.
It's exhausting Bob. When Watson told Cleveland that he had narrowed his choices down to a couple other teams (and Cleveland was not included) - Jimmy wanted to buy the NFL version of Crypto and nothing was going to stop him. Buyer beware did not apply so extensive reseach of "what could possibly go wrong" was never researched.
Does anyone REALLY think the young QB below (Josh Allen) with his rookie and 2nd year stats below would have kept Jimmy Haslam patient if the Browns drafted him? This OWNER has never understood so people always say - "he's willing to pay big $!" Big flippin deal. Randy Lerner was too and what did that get us? They HAVE to pay the big money they are obligated to. Now here's Baker's rookie year here for a team that began the year 0-1-1 after it went 0-16 the year before and 1-15 the year before that. In his 3rd year the Browns went 11-5 and won a playoff game at Pittsburgh. Granted he had a soph slump and played injured in his 4th season so the numbers dropped; and the FO & Owner decided this guy isn't worth keeping for a 5th season. They just erased 4 years of investment in coaching/training a young QB in the deal to get Watson. Someone already posted all of the specific draft picks this caused the Browns to miss out on over 3 years. Is Jimmy his own/our biggest problem with finding the right QB to develop and lead this franchise to a Super Bowl?
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@flugel I hate to admit this, but I am really pissed off about them not cutting him.
All the crap we've put up with since 1995, this takes the grand prize. My excitement for 2026 is totally gone.
I still say, no OBJ, we wouldn't be here. It was an unnecessary gamble that destroyed a truly great up & coming team.
We all could list our sad grievances, at least we have great, distant memories of good football. Our younger fans have only witnessed a couple good years. In a league of parity, what an abysmal failure our favorite team is.
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@flugel I hate to admit this, but I am really pissed off about them not cutting him.
All the crap we've put up with since 1995, this takes the grand prize. My excitement for 2026 is totally gone.
I still say, no OBJ, we wouldn't be here. It was an unnecessary gamble that destroyed a truly great up & coming team.
We all could list our sad grievances, at least we have great, distant memories of good football. Our younger fans have only witnessed a couple good years. In a league of parity, what an abysmal failure our favorite team is.
@flugel I hate to admit this, but I am really pissed off about them not cutting him.
All the crap we've put up with since 1995, this takes the grand prize. My excitement for 2026 is totally gone.
I still say, no OBJ, we wouldn't be here. It was an unnecessary gamble that destroyed a truly great up & coming team.
We all could list our sad grievances, at least we have great, distant memories of good football. Our younger fans have only witnessed a couple good years. In a league of parity, what an abysmal failure our favorite team is.
I got the impression OBJ was a cancer in the locker room too. I think he caused an unnecessary friction between Baker and Landry. I also think he was also envious that Baker was the one in that market getting all the commercials/endorsements opportunities. It wasn't the NY/NJ market that brat should have ever left.
My golden era as a fan was the 80s with Sipe & Kosar QBing the Kardiac Kids. I'll live with and survive heart-break endings after watching so many regular season games they won by erasing deficits in the closing seconds. Too bad we didn't have a Myles Garrett back then...
The Browns have been a fun family tradition that I'll cherish forever. If I live long enough, maybe I'll get to see this team win a Championship in Brook Park. I was in diapers the last time the Browns won an NFL Championship in 1964; so let's hope I'm not in diapers the next time they win the Championship...
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@flugel I hate to admit this, but I am really pissed off about them not cutting him.
All the crap we've put up with since 1995, this takes the grand prize. My excitement for 2026 is totally gone.
I still say, no OBJ, we wouldn't be here. It was an unnecessary gamble that destroyed a truly great up & coming team.
We all could list our sad grievances, at least we have great, distant memories of good football. Our younger fans have only witnessed a couple good years. In a league of parity, what an abysmal failure our favorite team is.
I got the impression OBJ was a cancer in the locker room too. I think he caused an unnecessary friction between Baker and Landry. I also think he was also envious that Baker was the one in that market getting all the commercials/endorsements opportunities. It wasn't the NY/NJ market that brat should have ever left.
My golden era as a fan was the 80s with Sipe & Kosar QBing the Kardiac Kids. I'll live with and survive heart-break endings after watching so many regular season games they won by erasing deficits in the closing seconds. Too bad we didn't have a Myles Garrett back then...
The Browns have been a fun family tradition that I'll cherish forever. If I live long enough, maybe I'll get to see this team win a Championship in Brook Park. I was in diapers the last time the Browns won an NFL Championship in 1964; so let's hope I'm not in diapers the next time they win the Championship...
I got the impression OBJ was a cancer in the locker room too. I think he caused an unnecessary friction between Baker and Landry. I also think he was also envious that Baker was the one in that market getting all the commercials/endorsements opportunities. It wasn't the NY/NJ market that brat should have ever left.
My golden era as a fan was the 80s with Sipe & Kosar QBing the Kardiac Kids. I'll live with and survive heart-break endings after watching so many regular season games they won by erasing deficits in the closing seconds. Too bad we didn't have a Myles Garrett back then...
The Browns have been a fun family tradition that I'll cherish forever. If I live long enough, maybe I'll get to see this team win a Championship in Brook Park. I was in diapers the last time the Browns won an NFL Championship in 1964; so let's hope I'm not in diapers the next time they win the Championship...
I was in my Mothers Womb about a week and a half from premature delivery... Lets hope it's not a week and a half after death this time around...
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I got the impression OBJ was a cancer in the locker room too. I think he caused an unnecessary friction between Baker and Landry. I also think he was also envious that Baker was the one in that market getting all the commercials/endorsements opportunities. It wasn't the NY/NJ market that brat should have ever left.
My golden era as a fan was the 80s with Sipe & Kosar QBing the Kardiac Kids. I'll live with and survive heart-break endings after watching so many regular season games they won by erasing deficits in the closing seconds. Too bad we didn't have a Myles Garrett back then...
The Browns have been a fun family tradition that I'll cherish forever. If I live long enough, maybe I'll get to see this team win a Championship in Brook Park. I was in diapers the last time the Browns won an NFL Championship in 1964; so let's hope I'm not in diapers the next time they win the Championship...
I was in my Mothers Womb about a week and a half from premature delivery... Lets hope it's not a week and a half after death this time around...
I was in my Mothers Womb about a week and a half from premature delivery... Lets hope it's not a week and a half after death this time around...
?Only the Browns can bring out the line of thinking we just exchanged! ? I hear ya...
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Ya know, I really don't think highly of The Bull.
Wasn't he heading back to NY a couple of years ago? To do something 'different'.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
Joe Thomas:
“[Todd Monken’s] gonna make decisions on what he feels is best for the franchise to win today. When he has worked with these quarterbacks throughout the offseason, he’s looking at his offense. He wants a guy that can take the play at the line of scrimmage, see the defense, get to another play quickly. He feels like that is Deshaun Watson as of today. There’s context that’s involved in Todd Monken’s mind: what he’s seen throughout training camp, what he’s seen in the meeting rooms. In the preseason, there’s just not much of the playbook that you put out there,” Thomas said.
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Joe Thomas:
“[Todd Monken’s] gonna make decisions on what he feels is best for the franchise to win today. When he has worked with these quarterbacks throughout the offseason, he’s looking at his offense. He wants a guy that can take the play at the line of scrimmage, see the defense, get to another play quickly. He feels like that is Deshaun Watson as of today. There’s context that’s involved in Todd Monken’s mind: what he’s seen throughout training camp, what he’s seen in the meeting rooms. In the preseason, there’s just not much of the playbook that you put out there,” Thomas said.
Joe Thomas:
“[Todd Monken’s] gonna make decisions on what he feels is best for the franchise to win today. When he has worked with these quarterbacks throughout the offseason, he’s looking at his offense. He wants a guy that can take the play at the line of scrimmage, see the defense, get to another play quickly. He feels like that is Deshaun Watson as of today. There’s context that’s involved in Todd Monken’s mind: what he’s seen throughout training camp, what he’s seen in the meeting rooms. In the preseason, there’s just not much of the playbook that you put out there,” Thomas said.
o.k I feel better
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Joe Thomas:
“[Todd Monken’s] gonna make decisions on what he feels is best for the franchise to win today. When he has worked with these quarterbacks throughout the offseason, he’s looking at his offense. He wants a guy that can take the play at the line of scrimmage, see the defense, get to another play quickly. He feels like that is Deshaun Watson as of today. There’s context that’s involved in Todd Monken’s mind: what he’s seen throughout training camp, what he’s seen in the meeting rooms. In the preseason, there’s just not much of the playbook that you put out there,” Thomas said.
o.k I feel better
o.k I feel better
Joe's a football smart guy. And probably smart in general. He was at TC multiple times this year helping the OL. Monken wanted him to stay. But Joe doesn't want to commit to an every day gig...which is what coaching is. He's a family man. And he's got a nice little gig commentating. It's the team's loss that he's a family man. He's a 1st ballot HOF'er who never jumped ship. The #73 jersey with his name on the back only comes in 3 colors. Seal Brown, Orange or White.
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Ya know, I really don't think highly of The Bull.
Wasn't he heading back to NY a couple of years ago? To do something 'different'.
Ya know, I really don't think highly of The Bull.
Wasn't he heading back to NY a couple of years ago? To do something 'different'.
He left the Fan to join the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show
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