2026 Run The 9 thread. Your Offense, Defense & Personnel Analysis.
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Sorry, didn't post these earlier. Thoughts from Game 1.
RunThe9@tjRT9sDeshaun Watson vs Chicago charting is done.
The theme? - Elementary (See what I did there?)
He was fine with all the high percentage, 1st progression throws. But the problem is I'm not paying a $250m QB to hit throws that I expect any league average QB to be 70% on. Show moreRunThe9@tjRT9sA HUGE concern of mine I had mentioned during training camp is already showing up early in Game 1 of pre-season with the Browns QBs - processing speed.
1,2,3. Any coach will tell you, give me my 1,2,3. Pure progression, triangle/geometry reads, boundary to field, doesn't Show moreSorry, didn't post these earlier. Thoughts from Game 1.
The play was designed to go to Corely. That's where Sheduer was focused. It's supposed to be a timing throw. The problem was Corely ran right up to the defender. The receiver has to button-hook that before he gets into the defender's lap so there's a little space to fit the ball in.
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Sorry, didn't post these earlier. Thoughts from Game 1.
The play was designed to go to Corely. That's where Sheduer was focused. It's supposed to be a timing throw. The problem was Corely ran right up to the defender. The receiver has to button-hook that before he gets into the defender's lap so there's a little space to fit the ball in.
Button Hook
So the play design is to the trips side. Something I'd prefer Shedeur, along with a lot of young QBs, to challenge themselves to work progressions over there more. Too often these young QBs, my biggest knock was on Dart last year, think they get 1 on 1 to the X and just rip it.
The result is very boom or bust.
The matchup side, the "solo" side is Corley. QBs can be given some freedom in pre-snap adjustments to their X. Based on the level of trust & coaching staff.
But let's use your strategy.
This was when Corley began his break. If he "button hooks" even solner than that, you're looking at being, bare minimum, 2 yards short of the sticks. Meaning he has to catch and create YAC on a hitch.
It's just not a prudent formula to success unless we're throwing to Steve Smith.
The corners, much like what we saw a lot last year, are sitting either +2-3 or "heavy" at the chains.
Corley did a fairly reasonable job working back to his inside shoulder, then getting back to an outside shoulder throw. The placement by Shedeur, to the outside, is correct.
But this pic is also proof that the timing is the issue. Shedeur should be in his throwing motion by this point - he isn't. So the two factors that compose the bulk of throw success, timing and placement, only had one met.
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Button Hook
So the play design is to the trips side. Something I'd prefer Shedeur, along with a lot of young QBs, to challenge themselves to work progressions over there more. Too often these young QBs, my biggest knock was on Dart last year, think they get 1 on 1 to the X and just rip it.
The result is very boom or bust.
The matchup side, the "solo" side is Corley. QBs can be given some freedom in pre-snap adjustments to their X. Based on the level of trust & coaching staff.
But let's use your strategy.
This was when Corley began his break. If he "button hooks" even solner than that, you're looking at being, bare minimum, 2 yards short of the sticks. Meaning he has to catch and create YAC on a hitch.
It's just not a prudent formula to success unless we're throwing to Steve Smith.
The corners, much like what we saw a lot last year, are sitting either +2-3 or "heavy" at the chains.
Corley did a fairly reasonable job working back to his inside shoulder, then getting back to an outside shoulder throw. The placement by Shedeur, to the outside, is correct.
But this pic is also proof that the timing is the issue. Shedeur should be in his throwing motion by this point - he isn't. So the two factors that compose the bulk of throw success, timing and placement, only had one met.
This was when Corley began his break. If he "button hooks" even solner than that, you're looking at being, bare minimum, 2 yards short of the sticks
Yup, but running into the lap of the defender means no yards at all. The defender knows where the sticks are too. There was a favorable man to man situation there but the receiver didn't create any space. Would've been awfully risky to let that one fly earlier. Obviously Sanders and Corley don't have the pattern timing down pat. - 1st preseason game.
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This was when Corley began his break. If he "button hooks" even solner than that, you're looking at being, bare minimum, 2 yards short of the sticks
Yup, but running into the lap of the defender means no yards at all. The defender knows where the sticks are too. There was a favorable man to man situation there but the receiver didn't create any space. Would've been awfully risky to let that one fly earlier. Obviously Sanders and Corley don't have the pattern timing down pat. - 1st preseason game.
Yup, but running into the lap of the defender means no yards at all. The defender knows where the sticks are too. There was a favorable man to man situation there but the receiver didn't create any space. Would've been awfully risky to let that one fly earlier. Obviously Sanders and Corley don't have the pattern timing down pat. - 1st preseason game.
There are two ways to create space in this instance.
Break well before the DB, short of the sticks.
Eat Cushion, try to get the DB to open and/or get into his chest and disengage off that leverage.
You're saying the 1st one is a no go.
But you're saying the WR can't use the 2nd to create space on a hitch. This 2nd one is how we've been watching Denzel Boston create separation on the hitch all of camp.
We're going to just have to disagree with this one. Sure, it isn't Boston, but the timing is poor on a throw that is SBS.
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Yup, but running into the lap of the defender means no yards at all. The defender knows where the sticks are too. There was a favorable man to man situation there but the receiver didn't create any space. Would've been awfully risky to let that one fly earlier. Obviously Sanders and Corley don't have the pattern timing down pat. - 1st preseason game.
There are two ways to create space in this instance.
Break well before the DB, short of the sticks.
Eat Cushion, try to get the DB to open and/or get into his chest and disengage off that leverage.
You're saying the 1st one is a no go.
But you're saying the WR can't use the 2nd to create space on a hitch. This 2nd one is how we've been watching Denzel Boston create separation on the hitch all of camp.
We're going to just have to disagree with this one. Sure, it isn't Boston, but the timing is poor on a throw that is SBS.
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Higher level Football eval here. I gave as much info as I could to help show people what it all means.
TL;DR - Watson fucked up. Then he was given the opportunity to redeem himself and, well, totally fucked up a 2nd time.
RunThe9@tjRT9sThis is a long form build off this post yesterday. Going to show how #Deshaun INT happened and how he failed to make up for it.
Running the X under/shallow away from trips, especially reduced/nasty splits puts the defenses in a bind. The CB in man has to navigate traffic and Show more
RunThe9@tjRT9sOk so this is dope.
- Solo goes shallow
- instead of clouding it out, Boundary safety inverts to pick up the RB release.
- CB turns over shallow for the LBs
To pass off & sort
- replaces boundary safety and poaches the #2 Over on top of the mesh work.
The way NFL defenses -
Higher level Football eval here. I gave as much info as I could to help show people what it all means.
TL;DR - Watson fucked up. Then he was given the opportunity to redeem himself and, well, totally fucked up a 2nd time.
RunThe9@tjRT9sThis is a long form build off this post yesterday. Going to show how #Deshaun INT happened and how he failed to make up for it.
Running the X under/shallow away from trips, especially reduced/nasty splits puts the defenses in a bind. The CB in man has to navigate traffic and Show moreRunThe9@tjRT9sOk so this is dope.
- Solo goes shallow
- instead of clouding it out, Boundary safety inverts to pick up the RB release.
- CB turns over shallow for the LBs
To pass off & sort
- replaces boundary safety and poaches the #2 Over on top of the mesh work.
The way NFL defensesHigher level Football eval here. I gave as much info as I could to help show people what it all means.
TL;DR - Watson fucked up. Then he was given the opportunity to redeem himself and, well, totally fucked up a 2nd time.
So on the INT he totally misses seeing the under cutting open shallow going L to R and just throws up a pumpkin. Hell even I can see the guy open shallow across the middle.
EDIT: Didn't Brady make a living isolating receivers like that and trusted them with decent YACs? That's why he had all those flea receivers doing the tough things.
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Been waiting to see more of this. Coach Rut has brought over and is SLOWLY installing these structures for the defense. Got the best example of the pre-season so far with this one.
RunThe9@tjRT9s#Browns Defensive Cordinator, Coach Mike Rutenberg, has been slowly installing and calling these looks, bringing them over from his time with the #DirtyBirds
I've been waiting to get ideal examples and this is it.
- BOSS Front (Bigs On Same Same)
- TON Stunt (Tackle Over Show more -
Sorry I'm way late. For those of you who would like an extended look at Arch Manning vs Florida on the All-22, I'll be live on discord, sharing my screen for a "rough draft" in about 20m
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Got done watching 2 nights and 3 games worth of bad football. Top down, that Texas squad had some real problems last year. They beat up on lesser dreams and dropped against better ones (save for Florida & Kentucky) should have lost at least 1 more game.
For all the hype around Arch, I've found that it is unwarranted (so far) and he needs significant improvement to justify a 1st round pick. Right now, he plays like a Manning in name only.
Texas is a -1.5 favorite vs tOSU next weekend. I'm waiting for them to blow the doors of Texas State so I can get the Bucks at +2.5 maybe even +3.
RunThe9@tjRT9sI won't pretend to know where you have Arch Manning ranked on your (WAY too) early #2027NFLDraft Big Board.
But, chances are, it's probably too high...
#HookEm
#Browns
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RunThe9@tjRT9sI know the #DeshaunWatson film would be bad... but Holy Hell, it might be worse than I thought.
I'm not saying Jerry Jeudy hasn't done some things to earn criticism in his time with the #Browns - he absolutely has. But he created opportunities early to help himself, help his Show more -
RunThe9@tjRT9sI know the #DeshaunWatson film would be bad... but Holy Hell, it might be worse than I thought.
I'm not saying Jerry Jeudy hasn't done some things to earn criticism in his time with the #Browns - he absolutely has. But he created opportunities early to help himself, help his Show moreYup. That was a bad pass. He had a handful of other incompletes too.
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The film on game one must not be bad (or Haslam rules)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/49941705/coach-monken-expects-stick-watson-browns-qb1-week-2
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"Got a name? A kid once called me ' Please, Mommy, not HIM'....
That's how I feel watching Arch.
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For those interested in some of the 'why' behind the running game struggles. It's a big long-winded, but hopefully worth it.
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