Is He or Isn't He?
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FWIW, Shep, your comment was the s-t-r-e-t-c-h of the century.
I disagree. Obviously, Quinn's got a right to express his opinion, but the issue is whether it was a tactful decision on his part.
If you're Mike Tomlin, you can endorse Obama. If you're Peyton Manning, you can endorse McCain. But if you're the backup QB waiting for your chance to play and win over the locker room, you probably shouldn't be wading into anything as divisive as politics. Even without the racial element, his endorsing a candidate could have brought up some "Who does he think he is?" grumbles in the locker room. After all, Joe Thomas was then and is a Pro Bowler; Quinn hadn't even started a game.
Many of you may disagree, but I don't think it was a smart move on Quinn's part.
I disagree. Obviously, Quinn's got a right to express his opinion, but the issue is whether it was a tactful decision on his part.
If you're Mike Tomlin, you can endorse Obama. If you're Peyton Manning, you can endorse McCain. But if you're the backup QB waiting for your chance to play and win over the locker room, you probably shouldn't be wading into anything as divisive as politics. Even without the racial element, his endorsing a candidate could have brought up some "Who does he think he is?" grumbles in the locker room. After all, Joe Thomas was then and is a Pro Bowler; Quinn hadn't even started a game.
Many of you may disagree, but I don't think it was a smart move on Quinn's part.
You're a good guy, Alo but your post is 100% BS.
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The D's Quinn played are rated high because they played Quinn.
Rivers put up 436 yards on Baltimore.
Quinn put up 34 yards.
case closed.
You really didn't just post that. Yeah, BALT has a aweful D. I mean by your logic, DA should have had 200 yards at least in his half against BALT.
Meanwhile that vaunted Cincy D allowed Kyle Orton put up 243 yards on Cincy in only 28 ATT, completed 60% of his passes, 8.7 Y/A and didn't turn the ball over against Cicny.
Masters said:
Meanwhile that vaunted Cincy D allowed Kyle Orton put up 243 yards on Cincy in only 28 ATT, completed 60% of his passes, 8.7 Y/A and didn't turn the ball over against Cicny.I assume you realize that 87 of Orton's yards came on that one batted ball at the end.
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Masters said:
Meanwhile that vaunted Cincy D allowed Kyle Orton put up 243 yards on Cincy in only 28 ATT, completed 60% of his passes, 8.7 Y/A and didn't turn the ball over against Cicny.I assume you realize that 87 of Orton's yards came on that one batted ball at the end.
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Could you imagine had Lums called Quinn a racist how much Shep and Company would be up in arms?
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Except Shep didn't say, all but say, or anything close that Quinn was a racist. You have to go looking for that to get that out of what Shep said, and that says more about the reader than poster.
Masters said:
Except Shep didn't say, all but say, or anything close that Quinn was a racist. You have to go looking for that to get that out of what Shep said, and that says more about the reader than poster.Yeah, and when I've called someone gay in the past, I wasn't referring to them as homosexuals, just that they were a little too happy.
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Masters said:
Except Shep didn't say, all but say, or anything close that Quinn was a racist. You have to go looking for that to get that out of what Shep said, and that says more about the reader than poster.Yeah, and when I've called someone gay in the past, I wasn't referring to them as homosexuals, just that they were a little too happy.
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@shepwrite said:
John, I'm sorry... but you're just 100% dead wrong on this. There's not a microscopic shred of wrong in what I typed. Let it go.I wasn't talking to you, Shep.
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This question was answered long ago. DA has already shown that he can not get it done and when under pressure will fold like a house of cards. He has regressed ever since he had a nice 5-6 game streak against sub par teams. After that he sucked bad. Don't have short term memory loss.
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@shepwrite said:
Again, you keep misstating the (very correct) point because it bugs you. There were MULTIPLE reports that Quinn and Thomas openly stumping for McCain didn't endear them to the mostly black locker room that was feeling very passionate about Obama. It isn't even about liberals (most pro athletes lean conservative but aren't very political in general).Again, it isn't about right or wrong and nobody said they hated either guy. It just went over like a lead balloon at a time when African Americans felt a lot of pride for Obama and McCain/Palin was starting to go ugly (with the pitchfork rallies and all).
Is what it is.
You have a habit of stating things like absolute fact. I'd like a link where multiple Browns had a problem with who someone supported for POTUS, especially since you were entrenched on this issue on the Obama side. I think you get away with a dozen or so of these kinds of fairytales a year on this board. Throw up a link.
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it's there if you squint your eyes right: The offense does look better with Anderson at the helm.
no squinting needed. It is pretty much pasted on a billboard bigger than Jerry Jones' plasma TV screens. The key is just don't listen to the Frye Guys and BQ Fags who've harped on passer rating for the last 3 years like it actually means jack shit.
someone pointed out that Quinn's rating vs the Vikings was very similar in passer rating to Anderson's vs the Bengals. That fact is probably the biggest indictment on the passer rating system as there is...Well that and the fact that Charlie Frye's rating was actually good because of his comp%.
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no squinting needed.
someone pointed out that Quinn's rating vs the Vikings was very similar in passer rating to Anderson's vs the Bengals. That fact is probably the biggest indictment on the passer rating system as there is...Well that and the fact that Charlie Frye's rating was actually good because of his comp%.
Quinn faced the NFL's #3 defense while Anderson faced the NFL's # 18th defense.
You make a good point, the numbers dont lie.
Quinn faced the NFL's #3 defense while Anderson faced the NFL's # 18th defense.
You make a good point, the numbers dont lie.
This argument didn't hold up last year when DA was playing the toughest part of our schedule and BQ did okay against the worst defense in the league. You play who is on the schedule. Try another angle.
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Quinn faced the NFL's #3 defense while Anderson faced the NFL's # 18th defense.
You make a good point, the numbers dont lie.
This argument didn't hold up last year when DA was playing the toughest part of our schedule and BQ did okay against the worst defense in the league. You play who is on the schedule. Try another angle.
This argument didn't hold up last year when DA was playing the toughest part of our schedule and BQ did okay against the worst defense in the league. You play who is on the schedule. Try another angle.
True. So at this point we know the Browns have 2 QBs who can play well against bad defenses but can't do anything against good ones.
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The question is whether Anderson can be the guy in Cleveland, and right now it seems like he'll get a stretch of games to prove it. Then again, we thought the same was true of Quinn and he got 10 quarters with Josh Cribbs pretending to be a WR.
That said, I supported the switch because Quinn looked to be crawling up inside his own ass, not crawling out. It was going to get worse, I think. Questions about him since Notre Dame got louder -- dump off tendencies, inaccuracy downfield -- and the Browns coaches weren't the only one seeing it. Shefter said Quinn's standing took a hit all over the league. He's likely to be seen as a backup for at least the next couple years.
Right now, Anderson entered the passer ratings where we saw him last, at #32. Last year, it was 66 and right now it's about 50, ahead of just J-Fat, who may have had the worst four game start to a season ever. He's so bad it's getting freaky.
It's tough to spin a 50 rating (1/4) into something positive, but I agree it's there if you squint your eyes right: The offense does look better with Anderson at the helm. And if you couldn't tell there was cameradery between embattled Brian Daboll and Anderson, you weren't looking. I got the sense Daboll wanted Anderson all along from the buddy-buddy between them. I do think Quinn's fan-favorite status and good looks just might put off a few people, probably on any team. I know his McCain backin' ways weren't lost on his African American teammates. Shoulda kept all that in the ballot booth.
Right now, today, there would be no chance in hell of Anderson getting a big bonus from the Browns or a big payday elsewhere. He has to win some games and show that he isn't the same guy he's been since he arrived at OSU: Big arm, bigger mistakes at the worst times.
It REALLY serves the Browns if Anderson looks like a Top 10-12 NFL starter as the season progresses, because they can start developing starting points for the offseason, like Anderson, Harrison, Massoquoi, Thomas, Steinbach, and Mack on offense and Wimbley, Rodgers, Jackson, Pool, Elam, and Wright on defense.
The question is whether Anderson can be the guy in Cleveland, and right now it seems like he'll get a stretch of games to prove it. Then again, we thought the same was true of Quinn and he got 10 quarters with Josh Cribbs pretending to be a WR.
That said, I supported the switch because Quinn looked to be crawling up inside his own ass, not crawling out. It was going to get worse, I think. Questions about him since Notre Dame got louder -- dump off tendencies, inaccuracy downfield -- and the Browns coaches weren't the only one seeing it. Shefter said Quinn's standing took a hit all over the league. He's likely to be seen as a backup for at least the next couple years.
Right now, Anderson entered the passer ratings where we saw him last, at #32. Last year, it was 66 and right now it's about 50, ahead of just J-Fat, who may have had the worst four game start to a season ever. He's so bad it's getting freaky.
It's tough to spin a 50 rating (1/4) into something positive, but I agree it's there if you squint your eyes right: The offense does look better with Anderson at the helm. And if you couldn't tell there was cameradery between embattled Brian Daboll and Anderson, you weren't looking. I got the sense Daboll wanted Anderson all along from the buddy-buddy between them. I do think Quinn's fan-favorite status and good looks just might put off a few people, probably on any team. I know his McCain backin' ways weren't lost on his African American teammates. Shoulda kept all that in the ballot booth.
Right now, today, there would be no chance in hell of Anderson getting a big bonus from the Browns or a big payday elsewhere. He has to win some games and show that he isn't the same guy he's been since he arrived at OSU: Big arm, bigger mistakes at the worst times.
It REALLY serves the Browns if Anderson looks like a Top 10-12 NFL starter as the season progresses, because they can start developing starting points for the offseason, like Anderson, Harrison, Massoquoi, Thomas, Steinbach, and Mack on offense and Wimbley, Rodgers, Jackson, Pool, Elam, and Wright on defense.
I was at the game....DA looked pretty good.
On the way home this morning, the radio crew was saying it looked like the staff was pretty happy with DA anbd felt like they could work with the guy on his game management and turnovers...and I agree.
A guy like DA brings both good and bad...the good is very few have the ability to throw like he does...and that is something a staff isn't going to throw away as that can't be coached.
The bad is a guy like that IS going to turn it over some....Favre is a good example.....just the way it goes sometimes.
If the team can put Anderson in to good plays and work with the guy on just when to give up on a play....if he can improve even 40%, he is a guy who can win games.
That was a winnable game yesterday.
Any reason for the loss wasn't in the QB's hands...the team moved the ball and at least looked like a decent team.
Anderson is going to be the QB in Cleveland as long as it is a choice between what we currently have. Anderson is still a young player with the ability to improve....his ceiling is pretty darn high when you look at the tools he brings. This staff sees that and is going to work the plan around what DA brings to the table.
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This question was answered long ago. DA has already shown that he can not get it done and when under pressure will fold like a house of cards. He has regressed ever since he had a nice 5-6 game streak against sub par teams. After that he sucked bad. Don't have short term memory loss.
This question was answered long ago. DA has already shown that he can not get it done and when under pressure will fold like a house of cards. He has regressed ever since he had a nice 5-6 game streak against sub par teams. After that he sucked bad. Don't have short term memory loss.
DA is gonna bring the browns into Shitsburgh in a couple of weeks, and walk outta there with our first W there in anwhile, mark my word
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I still want to believe DA can be the guy and that hopefully he has learned and corrected things in the new system and with management and wont make as many mistakes and bad decisions as he has in the past..
but on the otherhand i still have a gut feeling that says dont bite the bait just yet...da will likely return to his old form when he really has the pressure on and we need him to play up to par the most...
I think he can be one helluva QB if he can just jump those 3 major hurdles he has...we sometimes forget DA is a young guy too and was thrown into quite a mess in 2007 with little preparation he also had bad coaching under the last regime and was thrown into the frey raw as hell itself and still brought us a 10-6 season so yeah with some time with good coaches and patience to correct things i wanna believe DA can be our guy....
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The question is whether Anderson can be the guy in Cleveland, and right now it seems like he'll get a stretch of games to prove it. Then again, we thought the same was true of Quinn and he got 10 quarters with Josh Cribbs pretending to be a WR.
That said, I supported the switch because Quinn looked to be crawling up inside his own ass, not crawling out. It was going to get worse, I think. Questions about him since Notre Dame got louder -- dump off tendencies, inaccuracy downfield -- and the Browns coaches weren't the only one seeing it. Shefter said Quinn's standing took a hit all over the league. He's likely to be seen as a backup for at least the next couple years.
Right now, Anderson entered the passer ratings where we saw him last, at #32. Last year, it was 66 and right now it's about 50, ahead of just J-Fat, who may have had the worst four game start to a season ever. He's so bad it's getting freaky.
It's tough to spin a 50 rating (1/4) into something positive, but I agree it's there if you squint your eyes right: The offense does look better with Anderson at the helm. And if you couldn't tell there was cameradery between embattled Brian Daboll and Anderson, you weren't looking. I got the sense Daboll wanted Anderson all along from the buddy-buddy between them. I do think Quinn's fan-favorite status and good looks just might put off a few people, probably on any team. I know his McCain backin' ways weren't lost on his African American teammates. Shoulda kept all that in the ballot booth.
Right now, today, there would be no chance in hell of Anderson getting a big bonus from the Browns or a big payday elsewhere. He has to win some games and show that he isn't the same guy he's been since he arrived at OSU: Big arm, bigger mistakes at the worst times.
It REALLY serves the Browns if Anderson looks like a Top 10-12 NFL starter as the season progresses, because they can start developing starting points for the offseason, like Anderson, Harrison, Massoquoi, Thomas, Steinbach, and Mack on offense and Wimbley, Rodgers, Jackson, Pool, Elam, and Wright on defense.
I was at the game....DA looked pretty good.
On the way home this morning, the radio crew was saying it looked like the staff was pretty happy with DA anbd felt like they could work with the guy on his game management and turnovers...and I agree.
A guy like DA brings both good and bad...the good is very few have the ability to throw like he does...and that is something a staff isn't going to throw away as that can't be coached.
The bad is a guy like that IS going to turn it over some....Favre is a good example.....just the way it goes sometimes.
If the team can put Anderson in to good plays and work with the guy on just when to give up on a play....if he can improve even 40%, he is a guy who can win games.
That was a winnable game yesterday.
Any reason for the loss wasn't in the QB's hands...the team moved the ball and at least looked like a decent team.
Anderson is going to be the QB in Cleveland as long as it is a choice between what we currently have. Anderson is still a young player with the ability to improve....his ceiling is pretty darn high when you look at the tools he brings. This staff sees that and is going to work the plan around what DA brings to the table.
I was at the game....DA looked pretty good.
On the way home this morning, the radio crew was saying it looked like the staff was pretty happy with DA anbd felt like they could work with the guy on his game management and turnovers...and I agree.
A guy like DA brings both good and bad...the good is very few have the ability to throw like he does...and that is something a staff isn't going to throw away as that can't be coached.
The bad is a guy like that IS going to turn it over some....Favre is a good example.....just the way it goes sometimes.
If the team can put Anderson in to good plays and work with the guy on just when to give up on a play....if he can improve even 40%, he is a guy who can win games.
That was a winnable game yesterday.
Any reason for the loss wasn't in the QB's hands...the team moved the ball and at least looked like a decent team.
Anderson is going to be the QB in Cleveland as long as it is a choice between what we currently have. Anderson is still a young player with the ability to improve....his ceiling is pretty darn high when you look at the tools he brings. This staff sees that and is going to work the plan around what DA brings to the table.
How could somebody look "pretty good" when they basically take almost 3.5 quarters off in a 5 quarter game? He was typical DA. Good enough to backup, not good enough to start.
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I was at the game....DA looked pretty good.
On the way home this morning, the radio crew was saying it looked like the staff was pretty happy with DA anbd felt like they could work with the guy on his game management and turnovers...and I agree.
A guy like DA brings both good and bad...the good is very few have the ability to throw like he does...and that is something a staff isn't going to throw away as that can't be coached.
The bad is a guy like that IS going to turn it over some....Favre is a good example.....just the way it goes sometimes.
If the team can put Anderson in to good plays and work with the guy on just when to give up on a play....if he can improve even 40%, he is a guy who can win games.
That was a winnable game yesterday.
Any reason for the loss wasn't in the QB's hands...the team moved the ball and at least looked like a decent team.
Anderson is going to be the QB in Cleveland as long as it is a choice between what we currently have. Anderson is still a young player with the ability to improve....his ceiling is pretty darn high when you look at the tools he brings. This staff sees that and is going to work the plan around what DA brings to the table.
How could somebody look "pretty good" when they basically take almost 3.5 quarters off in a 5 quarter game? He was typical DA. Good enough to backup, not good enough to start.
How could somebody look "pretty good" when they basically take almost 3.5 quarters off in a 5 quarter game? He was typical DA. Good enough to backup, not good enough to start.
That's cool man...think what you want...when you are ready to be educated, you will seek it out.
That or you will remain clueless.
In the big scheme of things, it doesn't really matter to me what you finally decide.
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How could somebody look "pretty good" when they basically take almost 3.5 quarters off in a 5 quarter game? He was typical DA. Good enough to backup, not good enough to start.
That's cool man...think what you want...when you are ready to be educated, you will seek it out.
That or you will remain clueless.
In the big scheme of things, it doesn't really matter to me what you finally decide.
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I went into this season fine with the fact that we would play BQ this season, good or bad, and finally find out exactly what we have. It boggles my mind that we have yet to play him ( we spent a 1st round pick on him) a full season and see what sort of improvement and actually get a real feel for what we have. I keep thinking they will move him either by the trade deadline or at the end of the season....and thus will begin yet another story of a blunder the browns franchise created.
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