QB Discussion (pre Oct 11th game)
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Sorry Old Dawg, But Quinn had his chance and blew it. He played quite pathetically, showing no signs of improvement, pro-level ability or hope. He was terrible. Two different coaching staffs obviously feel that he isn't starter material. He couldn't even hold on to the starting position in a rebuilding year.
If you call having his chance with 1 receiver, 0 running game, and an idiot OC calling running plays on 3rd and 12 when you have no running game and no right side of the Oline a real chance to Show your stuff, you are crazy! Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would have looked pathetic in the same situation.
If you call having his chance with 1 receiver, 0 running game, and an idiot OC calling running plays on 3rd and 12 when you have no running game and no right side of the Oline a real chance to Show your stuff, you are crazy! Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would have looked pathetic in the same situation.
yet, DA didn't. he scored a meaningful touchdown, with the same line (and didn't take a sack)....unlike boy wonder, who seems to get confused which way passes should be thrown. a running game helps, sure.....but there isn't anyone stacking the box against DA, now is there. safeties dont need to be 20 yards downfield when the ball wont ever be thrown over 5 yards.
but yeah, jamal sucks right, and is the sole reason for our lack of running game.
all we heard throughout TC was that although DA practices well, he shit the bed during games. boy wonder doesn't practice well, and shits the bed during games. is continuing this argument about how quinn was wronged really about quinn, or those that were misguided enough to believe he was a franchise QB?
this shit's hillarious.....sad to say.
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Zombo said:
I hear Brady is really going to show his stuff this week. He's going to wear one of Braylon's orange shoes and one of Trautwein's black ones, oil up his guns before the game, and then snatch off his pants everythime DA throws a TD pass, only to reveal Shaun Smith's jockstrap and dance for the Buffalo girls. Word is, with DA set to light up the Bills secondary, those big Buffalo mama's are paying top dollar for the first row behind the Browns bench.Zombo
There is no point in arguing that Quinn stunk the joint up so far this year.
But i'm curious as to what your angle is gonna be after a few games of the usual DA.
God forbid the upper echelon of quality Brownsboard posters would have to consent the fact that they backed the wrong horse.
I'm sure that would be a graceful thread.
But then again i'm sure theres a backup plan to avoid reality.
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Zombo said:
I hear Brady is really going to show his stuff this week. He's going to wear one of Braylon's orange shoes and one of Trautwein's black ones, oil up his guns before the game, and then snatch off his pants everythime DA throws a TD pass, only to reveal Shaun Smith's jockstrap and dance for the Buffalo girls. Word is, with DA set to light up the Bills secondary, those big Buffalo mama's are paying top dollar for the first row behind the Browns bench.Zombo
There is no point in arguing that Quinn stunk the joint up so far this year.
But i'm curious as to what your angle is gonna be after a few games of the usual DA.
God forbid the upper echelon of quality Brownsboard posters would have to consent the fact that they backed the wrong horse.
I'm sure that would be a graceful thread.
But then again i'm sure theres a backup plan to avoid reality.
God forbid the upper echelon of quality Brownsboard posters would have to consent the fact that they backed the wrong horse.
I'm sure that would be a graceful thread.
But then again i'm sure theres a backup plan to avoid reality.
hi pot....meet my friend kettle. y'all will get along just fine.
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God forbid the upper echelon of quality Brownsboard posters would have to consent the fact that they backed the wrong horse.
I'm sure that would be a graceful thread.
But then again i'm sure theres a backup plan to avoid reality.
hi pot....meet my friend kettle. y'all will get along just fine.
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AdaM said:
I still think BQ will end up our starter and we will not be drafting a QB next year.agreed
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AdaM said:
I still think BQ will end up our starter and we will not be drafting a QB next year.agreed
agreed
I just don't think someone like Mangini is ignorant enough to write him off after 2.5 games this year. The kid obviously has the ability and the drive, hopefully he can put it all together in the next opportunity he gets.
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I wish I had your faith AdaM! But I really think we are a team with no QB. And after getting benched after a few games who really thinks Quinn wants to be in Cleveland!
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I wish I had your faith AdaM! But I really think we are a team with no QB. And after getting benched after a few games who really thinks Quinn wants to be in Cleveland!
I wish I had your faith AdaM! But I really think we are a team with no QB. And after getting benched after a few games who really thinks Quinn wants to be in Cleveland!
I think we're a team missing too many pieces for the QB position alone to have much of an impact.
I mean... you saw the cincy game. Anderson did not do anything spectacular. I wouldn't even consider it a 'good' game. It wasn't a BAD game.... but he didn't make it happen in OT and gave Carson way too many chances to score. DA has never been able to do it himself. I think the only come from behind wins we've ever had with him were via field goal?
So i think if this team gets some better pieces around, either of these QB's could work. But Id rather it be BQ.
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I wish I had your faith AdaM! But I really think we are a team with no QB. And after getting benched after a few games who really thinks Quinn wants to be in Cleveland!
I think we're a team missing too many pieces for the QB position alone to have much of an impact.
I mean... you saw the cincy game. Anderson did not do anything spectacular. I wouldn't even consider it a 'good' game. It wasn't a BAD game.... but he didn't make it happen in OT and gave Carson way too many chances to score. DA has never been able to do it himself. I think the only come from behind wins we've ever had with him were via field goal?
So i think if this team gets some better pieces around, either of these QB's could work. But Id rather it be BQ.
AdaM said:
I think we're a team missing too many pieces for the QB position alone to have much of an impact.I mean... you saw the cincy game. Anderson did not do anything spectacular. I wouldn't even consider it a 'good' game. It wasn't a BAD game.... but he didn't make it happen in OT and gave Carson way too many chances to score. DA has never been able to do it himself. I think the only come from behind wins we've ever had with him were via field goal?
So i think if this team gets some better pieces around, either of these QB's could work. But Id rather it be BQ.
I will agree with you to a point...but I think the BIGGEST thing is to actually see what WE ALREADY HAVE!!!
At RB, we have been waiting YEARS for Harrison...and in his 2nd legit start he pops 120+ yards
We also have Davis and Jennings as young RB's. Give them a chance to play before drafting another.
At WR we now have 3 young guys (Stuckey, Robo, MoMass) that could easily be a quality corp of receivers. Let's take a look at them instead of whining about a star receiver. Maybe one of them IS.
At OL, these guys have played 4 games together...I know the right side is getting old, but don't do another full rebuild...it will only set it back to zero again.
TE...Outside of Estandia we are a bit old here...so look for a mid rounder...all around type of guy
If we just upgrade a the RT and TE position next year, there may be every reason to believe this offense could click and start to really produce.
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That's like saying you can learn to swim by watching the Olympics.
No kidding. You cannot simulate in practice a real live pass rush and game speed in.
Masters said:
No kidding. You cannot simulate in practice a real live pass rush and game speed in.This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
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The coaches have seen him all spring, summer, preseason and 3 starts. That's plenty of time to get a feel for what the kid is capable of. The coaches could be thinking he's crap, the coaches could be thinking he just isn't the type of QB they need for what they want to do, the coaches could be thinking he needs to work on a few things in practice and develop a bit more before handing the reigns over to him permanently just yet. If the coaches think DA is the better player for now, it doesn't necessarily say they're giving up on Quinn, but the coaches are correct in playing the best player for now. All this talk about him deserving to be playing now to develop is silly, if he is as smart and hard working and capable as some on the board claim he is he'll be able to develop while on the bench.
You ARE RetardED!!! After spring, summer & preseason they decided he was the better QB. AND how in the hell can he develop while on the bench? Oh yea, we'll be able to measure his bench development and decide to franchise him and with even more bench development, I'm quite sure that he will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Retard!!!
You ARE RetardED!!! After spring, summer & preseason they decided he was the better QB. AND how in the hell can he develop while on the bench? Oh yea, we'll be able to measure his bench development and decide to franchise him and with even more bench development, I'm quite sure that he will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Retard!!!
Spring and summer they decided they'd give him a chance. That's all we really know. We don't know if they thought he was a diamond in the rough and needed a couple starts to show his stuff, or if they thought they knew what DA had for sure and that they'd like to see how Brady could handle a few "real" games. Maybe they thought they could tailor an offense to Brady's strengths, one that doesn't ask him to test his weaknesses... then after 2 and a half games decided that was a mistake? We just don't know.
I'm trying to be kind to Quinn with the developing on the bench comment. Personally, I don't think he has it. I don't think he can go vertical with the kind of success THIS coaching staff wants. The big question is, is there any coaching staff that that thinks their system is fine working around his limitations.
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Masters said:
No kidding. You cannot simulate in practice a real live pass rush and game speed in.This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
For every one of them, we could find examples of guys that took games. Romo and Cassel also came on to pretty talented teams w/ established OC's and two of the best HC to ever walk a sideline.
There is still not substitute for live games, and I bet both of those guys would tell you that, just like Peyton Manning says it.
I don't know if Quinn will ever pan out for anyone, but the only way for him to really get better at this point (or any QBs) is to see live Defenses in live NFL games. I would be utterly shocked if I ever heard a succussful NFL coash or QB say otherwise as well.
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Masters said:
No kidding. You cannot simulate in practice a real live pass rush and game speed in.This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
DNS....NE and DALLAS? Two of the MOST TALENTED OFFENSES IN THE NFL...and you are going to point to the bench riding QB as the reason for their success? REALLY?
Come on...the biggest thing Cassel proves is that Tom Brady is just as much a part of the SYSTEM in NE as he is a talent.
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This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
DNS....NE and DALLAS? Two of the MOST TALENTED OFFENSES IN THE NFL...and you are going to point to the bench riding QB as the reason for their success? REALLY?
Come on...the biggest thing Cassel proves is that Tom Brady is just as much a part of the SYSTEM in NE as he is a talent.
DNS....NE and DALLAS? Two of the MOST TALENTED OFFENSES IN THE NFL...and you are going to point to the bench riding QB as the reason for their success? REALLY?
Come on...the biggest thing Cassel proves is that Tom Brady is just as much a part of the SYSTEM in NE as he is a talent.
There's also rumors flying around that Romo isn't really starter material.
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Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
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Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
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Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
All it all means is that 5 1/2 games is not enough time to evaluate a QB in the NFL.
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Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
what? when did I say that? I was just saying you were full of it trying to use those 2 as examples of anything other than QB's can thrive on GOOD TEAMS.
No, right now I think DA should start...until or unless he proves he HAS NOT learned to protect the ball. If he continues to grow and to lead this team in the right direction...he should start. Period.
BQ will or will not get another chance and that is up to DA to determine at this point. And I for one don't care as long as we are winning.
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