QB Discussion (pre Oct 11th game)
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I wish I had your faith AdaM! But I really think we are a team with no QB. And after getting benched after a few games who really thinks Quinn wants to be in Cleveland!
I wish I had your faith AdaM! But I really think we are a team with no QB. And after getting benched after a few games who really thinks Quinn wants to be in Cleveland!
I think we're a team missing too many pieces for the QB position alone to have much of an impact.
I mean... you saw the cincy game. Anderson did not do anything spectacular. I wouldn't even consider it a 'good' game. It wasn't a BAD game.... but he didn't make it happen in OT and gave Carson way too many chances to score. DA has never been able to do it himself. I think the only come from behind wins we've ever had with him were via field goal?
So i think if this team gets some better pieces around, either of these QB's could work. But Id rather it be BQ.
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I wish I had your faith AdaM! But I really think we are a team with no QB. And after getting benched after a few games who really thinks Quinn wants to be in Cleveland!
I think we're a team missing too many pieces for the QB position alone to have much of an impact.
I mean... you saw the cincy game. Anderson did not do anything spectacular. I wouldn't even consider it a 'good' game. It wasn't a BAD game.... but he didn't make it happen in OT and gave Carson way too many chances to score. DA has never been able to do it himself. I think the only come from behind wins we've ever had with him were via field goal?
So i think if this team gets some better pieces around, either of these QB's could work. But Id rather it be BQ.
AdaM said:
I think we're a team missing too many pieces for the QB position alone to have much of an impact.I mean... you saw the cincy game. Anderson did not do anything spectacular. I wouldn't even consider it a 'good' game. It wasn't a BAD game.... but he didn't make it happen in OT and gave Carson way too many chances to score. DA has never been able to do it himself. I think the only come from behind wins we've ever had with him were via field goal?
So i think if this team gets some better pieces around, either of these QB's could work. But Id rather it be BQ.
I will agree with you to a point...but I think the BIGGEST thing is to actually see what WE ALREADY HAVE!!!
At RB, we have been waiting YEARS for Harrison...and in his 2nd legit start he pops 120+ yards
We also have Davis and Jennings as young RB's. Give them a chance to play before drafting another.
At WR we now have 3 young guys (Stuckey, Robo, MoMass) that could easily be a quality corp of receivers. Let's take a look at them instead of whining about a star receiver. Maybe one of them IS.
At OL, these guys have played 4 games together...I know the right side is getting old, but don't do another full rebuild...it will only set it back to zero again.
TE...Outside of Estandia we are a bit old here...so look for a mid rounder...all around type of guy
If we just upgrade a the RT and TE position next year, there may be every reason to believe this offense could click and start to really produce.
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That's like saying you can learn to swim by watching the Olympics.
No kidding. You cannot simulate in practice a real live pass rush and game speed in.
Masters said:
No kidding. You cannot simulate in practice a real live pass rush and game speed in.This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
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The coaches have seen him all spring, summer, preseason and 3 starts. That's plenty of time to get a feel for what the kid is capable of. The coaches could be thinking he's crap, the coaches could be thinking he just isn't the type of QB they need for what they want to do, the coaches could be thinking he needs to work on a few things in practice and develop a bit more before handing the reigns over to him permanently just yet. If the coaches think DA is the better player for now, it doesn't necessarily say they're giving up on Quinn, but the coaches are correct in playing the best player for now. All this talk about him deserving to be playing now to develop is silly, if he is as smart and hard working and capable as some on the board claim he is he'll be able to develop while on the bench.
You ARE RetardED!!! After spring, summer & preseason they decided he was the better QB. AND how in the hell can he develop while on the bench? Oh yea, we'll be able to measure his bench development and decide to franchise him and with even more bench development, I'm quite sure that he will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Retard!!!
You ARE RetardED!!! After spring, summer & preseason they decided he was the better QB. AND how in the hell can he develop while on the bench? Oh yea, we'll be able to measure his bench development and decide to franchise him and with even more bench development, I'm quite sure that he will be inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Retard!!!
Spring and summer they decided they'd give him a chance. That's all we really know. We don't know if they thought he was a diamond in the rough and needed a couple starts to show his stuff, or if they thought they knew what DA had for sure and that they'd like to see how Brady could handle a few "real" games. Maybe they thought they could tailor an offense to Brady's strengths, one that doesn't ask him to test his weaknesses... then after 2 and a half games decided that was a mistake? We just don't know.
I'm trying to be kind to Quinn with the developing on the bench comment. Personally, I don't think he has it. I don't think he can go vertical with the kind of success THIS coaching staff wants. The big question is, is there any coaching staff that that thinks their system is fine working around his limitations.
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Masters said:
No kidding. You cannot simulate in practice a real live pass rush and game speed in.This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
For every one of them, we could find examples of guys that took games. Romo and Cassel also came on to pretty talented teams w/ established OC's and two of the best HC to ever walk a sideline.
There is still not substitute for live games, and I bet both of those guys would tell you that, just like Peyton Manning says it.
I don't know if Quinn will ever pan out for anyone, but the only way for him to really get better at this point (or any QBs) is to see live Defenses in live NFL games. I would be utterly shocked if I ever heard a succussful NFL coash or QB say otherwise as well.
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Masters said:
No kidding. You cannot simulate in practice a real live pass rush and game speed in.This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
DNS....NE and DALLAS? Two of the MOST TALENTED OFFENSES IN THE NFL...and you are going to point to the bench riding QB as the reason for their success? REALLY?
Come on...the biggest thing Cassel proves is that Tom Brady is just as much a part of the SYSTEM in NE as he is a talent.
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This is to Masters and BrownsFan4Evr... who say a QB can't learn unless he's out on the field in actual games.
Matt Cassel.
Didn't even get off the bench as a QB at USC. Only collegiate start was as a halfback. Didn't get a start his first 3 NFL seasons. He's got himself a fat NFL contract as a QB now.
Tony Romo.
Didn't even throw an NFL pass 'til his 4th season. He's doing all right for himself.
I could go on, there's a thick list of QBs that didn't cut their teeth in games immediately and have done well in the NFL. Will Quinn join that list? Time will tell.
DNS....NE and DALLAS? Two of the MOST TALENTED OFFENSES IN THE NFL...and you are going to point to the bench riding QB as the reason for their success? REALLY?
Come on...the biggest thing Cassel proves is that Tom Brady is just as much a part of the SYSTEM in NE as he is a talent.
DNS....NE and DALLAS? Two of the MOST TALENTED OFFENSES IN THE NFL...and you are going to point to the bench riding QB as the reason for their success? REALLY?
Come on...the biggest thing Cassel proves is that Tom Brady is just as much a part of the SYSTEM in NE as he is a talent.
There's also rumors flying around that Romo isn't really starter material.
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Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
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Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
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Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
All it all means is that 5 1/2 games is not enough time to evaluate a QB in the NFL.
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Just look at Cassel in KC...and don't point at the overall because it is misleading to say the least.
Game 1: 1 TD, 2 INT's....to OAKLAND
Game 2: 14/18 for 90 yards
Game 3: 14/32, 47% completion rate
He has yet to put together a COMPLETE game worth having...and thus is 0-3 and averaging 13 points a game.
But in NE...well, he was the next coming...enough to hand a $60m contract to.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
So basically, you're saying since the Browns are a crappy team, Quinn should be cut unlimited slack, and the guy on the bench that has moved the same crappy team BETTER shouldn't be cut any slack.
what? when did I say that? I was just saying you were full of it trying to use those 2 as examples of anything other than QB's can thrive on GOOD TEAMS.
No, right now I think DA should start...until or unless he proves he HAS NOT learned to protect the ball. If he continues to grow and to lead this team in the right direction...he should start. Period.
BQ will or will not get another chance and that is up to DA to determine at this point. And I for one don't care as long as we are winning.
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I might as well chime in... First,, I look at the last two years at us and the other 31 teams. An example,, last year with Matt Ryan of Atlanta,, and Joe Flaco with the Ratbirds.. They were Rookies and it was either sink or swim... They did pretty good. This year,, look at Mark Sanchez of the Jets,, and Matt Stafford of the Lions,, (which has 1 win) but looks pretty good. Looks like they are either gonna sink or swim with their teams too. And 3 of those teams look pretty good,, and we all know that Detroit is rebuilding,, again,, but has a win already..As far for Quinn,, I myself don't think he has had enough time either to develope anything.. 6 starts in 3 yrs. Why's that ? All that money just to sit on the bench. They should've let him ,,, sink or swim,, for 16 games.. lets face it our QB's don't have to much protection,, or time,, once they get the ball..
I think if they EVER fix the problem, with the O line, as far as protection and blocking,, which will open up the running game then,, even BQ,, or DA would look a lot better... jmo.. Thanks
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I was a BQ supporter when we drafted him and I looked forward to seeing him get his chance to be our QB of the future.
That being said, I saw a completely different BQ playing the QB position this year when compared to what I saw in the couple games he started before the injury in 2008. Some of the things he does best such as roll-outs and bootlegs have been eliminated. It almost seems like he has been "coached" to play the position the way someone else wants it done, (such as stand in the pocket) and the things he does well removed from the game plan.
To be fair to him and to the rest of our team, I wish we would just trade him and get past the controversy. If we get to the point where we need to play a backup QB this year it won't matter who that player is, our season is nothing more than a learning experience for the players and coaches this year. As long as we keep getting a little better every week it will be fun to watch.
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Zombo said:
I hear Brady is really going to show his stuff this week. He's going to wear one of Braylon's orange shoes and one of Trautwein's black ones, oil up his guns before the game, and then snatch off his pants everythime DA throws a TD pass, only to reveal Shaun Smith's jockstrap and dance for the Buffalo girls. Word is, with DA set to light up the Bills secondary, those big Buffalo mama's are paying top dollar for the first row behind the Browns bench.Zombo
There is no point in arguing that Quinn stunk the joint up so far this year.
But i'm curious as to what your angle is gonna be after a few games of the usual DA.
God forbid the upper echelon of quality Brownsboard posters would have to consent the fact that they backed the wrong horse.
I'm sure that would be a graceful thread.
But then again i'm sure theres a backup plan to avoid reality.
There is no point in arguing that Quinn stunk the joint up so far this year.
But i'm curious as to what your angle is gonna be after a few games of the usual DA.
God forbid the upper echelon of quality Brownsboard posters would have to consent the fact that they backed the wrong horse.
I'm sure that would be a graceful thread.
But then again i'm sure theres a backup plan to avoid reality.
I take it you haven't read the 200+ posts on Brady Quinn's cleats.
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With all the talk about Brady Quinn being traded now, and some thinking we wouldn't even get much, I have to ask. Do you REALLY think he got a fair shot to prove what he can do? He had 2 1/2 games with TERRIBLE play calling, no running back, and one wide receiver who drops everything thrown his way. I don't feel he was given a chance, and I while I hope DA goes on to become the next Dan Marino, I also hope somebody gives BQ a shot to see what he can become. It just amazes me how he got jerked around the last few years, and then wasn't even given the opportunity he sat on the bench waiting for, for all that time. BQ's failure in the first couple games was more the OC's fault than his. I wish him well. But if I were him, I'd be pissed. Your thoughts?
With all the talk about Brady Quinn being traded now, and some thinking we wouldn't even get much, I have to ask. Do you REALLY think he got a fair shot to prove what he can do? He had 2 1/2 games with TERRIBLE play calling, no running back, and one wide receiver who drops everything thrown his way. I don't feel he was given a chance, and I while I hope DA goes on to become the next Dan Marino, I also hope somebody gives BQ a shot to see what he can become. It just amazes me how he got jerked around the last few years, and then wasn't even given the opportunity he sat on the bench waiting for, for all that time. BQ's failure in the first couple games was more the OC's fault than his. I wish him well. But if I were him, I'd be pissed. Your thoughts?
It's ok. When Anderson implodes again and again, Quinn will be back out there.
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Masters said:
Sounds like both QB on the Browns roster.If you haven't played live games at QB, you are essentially a rookie, imo.
He has played in live games and he looked EXACTLY like he looked in training camp and preseason for the past 3 years. The difference is, defenses were actually playing starting in week one and he didn't get away with the crap he did in preseason when he posted those amazingly average numbers. And tell Aaron Rogers, Tony Romo, and Carson Palmer that sitting for a few years hurt their game. It does NOTHING but help and you are nowhere near rookie status when you finally step on the field. In all actuality, when he came in last year against Denver I expected a lot better at that point. If he were anything, he would have lit up what was possibly the weakest defense in the last 10 years. Especially after sitting for 2-1/2 years. He's a bust and most of us knew that for sure after 1 season.
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After spring, summer & preseason they decided he was the better QB.
I have strong doubts about that. It is almost beyond comprehension that someone could watch Quinn and Anderson play QB one after another and come to the conclusion that there is anything whatsoever that Quinn does better.
I have strong doubts about that. It is almost beyond comprehension that someone could watch Quinn and Anderson play QB one after another and come to the conclusion that there is anything whatsoever that Quinn does better.
EXCELLENT!!! Now I know why everyone hates you Lum! Because you make sense and it doesn't bode well for Quinnies!!!!!!!!!
If they switched jerseys for one day, people would be raving about how good 10 looks and how bad 3 looks. It's all about the handsome mug behind the facemask. Quinnies don't even watch the game. They just look for excuses why their blind support for a QB with ZERO NFL ability hasn't paid off. Depressing.
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