James Davis Drama
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@.mz said:
Because Mangini is the boss, and the buck stops there, so to speak. You know that. Bullshit going down on his watch, whether he "authorized" it or not, whether he even saw it or not, is on HIM. Because he's the boss.Is it a torn ballsack, Doctor DD? Broken clitoris??
I'll hit you up later, fellas. Gotta check out Web f-ing MD to catch up with DD's medical expertise.
Sorry, but this isn't on Mangini because Davis had damaged his shoulder BEFORE this supposedly took place. My guess it didn't really happen at all, but the players and players in question who made it look like it to get at Mangini. No different than the non-water bottle incident. I feel sorry for Davis because he is caught up in all this much like Elam.
The Savage/Crennel players will not go down without a fight.
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@.mz said:
Because Mangini is the boss, and the buck stops there, so to speak. You know that. Bullshit going down on his watch, whether he "authorized" it or not, whether he even saw it or not, is on HIM. Because he's the boss.Is it a torn ballsack, Doctor DD? Broken clitoris??
I'll hit you up later, fellas. Gotta check out Web f-ing MD to catch up with DD's medical expertise.
Sorry, but this isn't on Mangini because Davis had damaged his shoulder BEFORE this supposedly took place. My guess it didn't really happen at all, but the players and players in question who made it look like it to get at Mangini. No different than the non-water bottle incident. I feel sorry for Davis because he is caught up in all this much like Elam.
The Savage/Crennel players will not go down without a fight.
Sorry, but this isn't on Mangini because Davis was damaged his shoulder BEFORE this supposedly took place. My guess it didn't really happen at all, but the players and players in question who made it look like it to get at Mangini. No different than the non-water bottle incident. I feel sorry for Davis because he is caught up in all this much like Elam.
The Savage/Crennel players will not go down without a fight.
Very true, and I was reading that there is a financial incentive for this to be on the team as opposed to just your run of the mill injury....just can't seem to find that. Must've been retracted.
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@.mz said:
I'll hit you up later, fellas. Gotta check out Web f-ing MD to catch up with DD's medical expertise.You miss the point again. Why give credence to the rumor when you don't know WTF you're talking about? Why are you expanding the rumor based on information a laymen should know not to be true? You're anti-Mangini, I realize that. But use your fooking head.
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@.mz said:
I miss the point, but you're the one laboring on re: the injury instead of focusing on the big picture. Because you obviously didn't get it the eighth time, I'll spell it out for you: the injury itself wasn't the point, it's the chest-beating man-up pussy dogshit Mangini seems to be spewing that CONTRIBUTED to said injury.Could you quantify that? "Seems to be spewing"? How do you know what Mangini expects in practice and how far he expects these guys to go? You're trying to make your perception of Mangini's persona translate into responsibility for this injury. You don't have enough data to say that.
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What's up with mangina and injuries?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...eKIiHwD9B9SA3G1
NFL investigating Browns running back's injury
By TOM WITHERS (AP) – 55 minutes ago
BEREA, Ohio — Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini said he's cooperating with the NFL in its investigation into rookie running back James Davis' mysterious season-ending shoulder injury.
On Sunday, ESPN.com reported that Davis was injured during a recent post-practice period for extra work when he was hit by a Browns linebacker. According to the report, witnesses said Davis was not wearing shoulder pads while the unidentified defender who hit him had them on.
League spokesman Greg Aiello said the league is aware of the alleged incident and has been looking into the matter.
"The review is ongoing," Aiello said in an e-mail response to The Associated Press.
Mangini confirmed Monday that he has had discussions with the league, and said that following his own research that he's "comfortable with where we are on it."
"I like James Davis a lot," Mangini said. "The last thing we want to do is ever put him in a position or anybody in a position where they could get hurt. I've talked to a lot of people involved in it and we're going to continue to work with the league on it."
Mangini did not deny the report, but repeated several times that he has been in touch with the league.
He said the post-practice period is open to all players to get in extra work, but that it's normally attended by rookies and younger players. He said the workouts are done in a controlled environment, supervised by coaches. Mangini said he occasionally watches.
Mangini noted that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady took part in similar sessions during his first season with New England.
Mangini said he would never condone a situation like the one being reported.
"We'd never do that," he said. "If something like that did happen, it shouldn't happen. Ever."
A sixth-round draft pick from Clemson, Davis was impressive in training camp and the exhibition season. He was hurt in the season opener against Minnesota and was placed on injured reserve on Oct. 3.
The ESPN report said the NFL Players Association may file a grievance, although Davis may hesitate for fear of losing his job. His base salary is $310,000 this season.
Browns linebacker D'Qwell Jackson did not see the incident, and thought it sounded implausible. He said players can be fined by Mangini for not wearing the proper pads at practice.
"That sounds crazy to me that something like that would be reported," Jackson said. "But I wasn't there. I don't know exactly what happened. That doesn't make any sense to me. That wouldn't be fair to him (Davis)."
Running back Jamal Lewis, who knows Davis well, avoided any specific questions about the incident.
"Actually, I don't really know none of that," said Lewis, who attended the same Atlanta high school as Davis. "I just know that he had hurt his shoulder in the first game. That's all I really know about."
Mangini confirmed that Davis will need surgery but would not say if an operation has been scheduled.
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@jadbf said:
in the end it IS MANGINI's fault. But not because of some attitude he has about "manning up" but because it's his coaching staff, and if there are rules, then the coach watching this drill should have made sure both players were following the rules.mz the pussy is like Bill Livingston. He'll make shit up and ignore facts to get his point across. We may find out that there was no truth to the story that Davis went without pads and the LB had them. I HIGHLY doubt that's what occurred, but if true then Mangini needs to hold some people accountable, than promptly cut the two idiots because they undoubtedly do not have the brains to play in the NFL. The buck stops with Mangini but there are some facts that need to be presented before I believe some sources.
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@.mz said:
I miss the point, but you're the one laboring on re: the injury instead of focusing on the big picture. Because you obviously didn't get it the eighth time, I'll spell it out for you: the injury itself wasn't the point, it's the chest-beating man-up pussy dogshit Mangini seems to be spewing that CONTRIBUTED to said injury.Could you quantify that? "Seems to be spewing"? How do you know what Mangini expects in practice and how far he expects these guys to go? You're trying to make your perception of Mangini's persona translate into responsibility for this injury. You don't have enough data to say that.
Could you quantify that? "Seems to be spewing"? How do you know what Mangini expects in practice and how far he expects these guys to go? You're trying to make your perception of Mangini's persona translate into responsibility for this injury. You don't have enough data to say that.
mz the pussy was all hot and heavy for this thread until asked to explain himself, and then much like Lums, he disappears in the face of facts.
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Or it could be that mz the pussy isn't logged in right now.
This is 3 cases of injuries with questionable situations. While it might not end up being true, that is a lot of smoke.
Masters said:
Or it could be that mz the pussy isn't logged in right now.This is 3 cases of injuries with questionable situations. While it might not end up being true, that is a lot of smoke.
He was here yesterday after Earl34 posted, he just ignored this thread.
What 3 questionable injuries?
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Masters said:
Or it could be that mz the pussy isn't logged in right now.This is 3 cases of injuries with questionable situations. While it might not end up being true, that is a lot of smoke.
He was here yesterday after Earl34 posted, he just ignored this thread.
What 3 questionable injuries?
He was here yesterday after Earl34 posted, he just ignored this thread.
What 3 questionable injuries?
Jesus dude, maybe he didn't make it back to this thread before he logged out.
I'd suggest you read the thread instead of chastizing mz the pussy. All 3 are listed in this thread (Carey, Steptoe, and now Davis).
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He was here yesterday after Earl34 posted, he just ignored this thread.
What 3 questionable injuries?
Jesus dude, maybe he didn't make it back to this thread before he logged out.
I'd suggest you read the thread instead of chastizing mz the pussy. All 3 are listed in this thread (Carey, Steptoe, and now Davis).
Masters said:
I'd suggest you read the thread instead of chastizing mz the pussy.What are you guys going out or something? He opens his mouth all the time before having the facts straight. I on the other hand want to wait for all the facts. Pretty simple stuff.
Nothing questionable about Carey or Steptoe, they got hurt practicing. We'll see what comes out with Davis. Some of you have a hard on for Mangini and that clouds your judgement.
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Masters said:
I'd suggest you read the thread instead of chastizing mz the pussy.What are you guys going out or something? He opens his mouth all the time before having the facts straight. I on the other hand want to wait for all the facts. Pretty simple stuff.
Nothing questionable about Carey or Steptoe, they got hurt practicing. We'll see what comes out with Davis. Some of you have a hard on for Mangini and that clouds your judgement.
What are you guys going out or something? He opens his mouth all the time before having the facts straight. I on the other hand want to wait for all the facts. Pretty simple stuff.
Vegas...please get on topic. This thread is not about mz the pussy, it is about James Davis. If you disagree with mz the pussy, fine, but no need to go on and on about HIM. Talk the subject.
thanks
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One article on Steptoe
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=4388347
He and his agent seem to think there was something questionable going on (we'll of course likely never know what becomes of any grievence they file).
Carey ended up with a shoulder injury during one of those similar type of practices, and there was speculation and question at the time regarding the Browns handling of it, and how it occured.
Like I said, it all may be nothing. But that's smoke and you can't just sweep it under the rug as nothing, at least not yet. Once is nothing, twice is questionable, three times has to raise a flag.
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One article on Steptoe
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=4388347
He and his agent seem to think there was something questionable going on (we'll of course likely never know what becomes of any grievence they file).
Carey ended up with a shoulder injury during one of those similar type of practices, and there was speculation and question at the time regarding the Browns handling of it, and how it occured.
Like I said, it all may be nothing. But that's smoke and you can't just sweep it under the rug as nothing, at least not yet. Once is nothing, twice is questionable, three times has to raise a flag.
Masters said:
One article on Steptoehttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=4388347
He and his agent seem to think there was something questionable going on (we'll of course likely never know what becomes of any grievence they file).
Carey ended up with a shoulder injury during one of those similar type of practices, and there was speculation and question at the time regarding the Browns handling of it, and how it occured.
Like I said, it all may be nothing. But that's smoke and you can't just sweep it under the rug as nothing, at least not yet. Once is nothing, twice is questionable, three times has to raise a flag.
The only problem is, Davis didn't hurt his shoulder in practice, he did it in the Vikings game. They are using the Carey practice injury as cover to try and get at Mangini. The key who is pushing the filings. It may be quite surprising.
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Masters said:
One article on Steptoehttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=4388347
He and his agent seem to think there was something questionable going on (we'll of course likely never know what becomes of any grievence they file).
Carey ended up with a shoulder injury during one of those similar type of practices, and there was speculation and question at the time regarding the Browns handling of it, and how it occured.
Like I said, it all may be nothing. But that's smoke and you can't just sweep it under the rug as nothing, at least not yet. Once is nothing, twice is questionable, three times has to raise a flag.
The only problem is, Davis didn't hurt his shoulder in practice, he did it in the Vikings game. They are using the Carey practice injury as cover to try and get at Mangini. The key who is pushing the filings. It may be quite surprising.
The only problem is, Davis didn't hurt his shoulder in practice, he did it in the Vikings game. They are using the Carey practice injury as cover to try and get at Mangini. The key who is pushing the filings. It may be quite surprising.
Yes Davis's shoulder was already hurt. But I'd suggest reading the opening post/article. He supposedly jacked it up even more during some after practice activities. If that is true, you have to question what in the world is going on in Berea. You can't have those things going on. It's the same as when BE got his foot hurt last year in camp. You can't let your players being doing dumb ass stuff.
I doubt Adam Shefter is out to get Mangini.
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The only problem is, Davis didn't hurt his shoulder in practice, he did it in the Vikings game. They are using the Carey practice injury as cover to try and get at Mangini. The key who is pushing the filings. It may be quite surprising.
Yes Davis's shoulder was already hurt. But I'd suggest reading the opening post/article. He supposedly jacked it up even more during some after practice activities. If that is true, you have to question what in the world is going on in Berea. You can't have those things going on. It's the same as when BE got his foot hurt last year in camp. You can't let your players being doing dumb ass stuff.
I doubt Adam Shefter is out to get Mangini.
Masters said:
Yes Davis's shoulder was already hurt. But I'd suggest reading the opening post/article. He supposedly jacked it up even more during some after practice activities. If that is true, you have to question what in the world is going on in Berea. You can't have those things going on. It's the same as when BE got his foot hurt last year in camp. You can't let your players being doing dumb ass stuff.I doubt Adam Shefter is out to get Mangini.
You mean they "claim" it got jacked more at practice. If it was already hurt, you don't go into that kind of practice. It is like the "rumors" Bentley faked his injury and he was already hurt before.
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Masters said:
Yes Davis's shoulder was already hurt. But I'd suggest reading the opening post/article. He supposedly jacked it up even more during some after practice activities. If that is true, you have to question what in the world is going on in Berea. You can't have those things going on. It's the same as when BE got his foot hurt last year in camp. You can't let your players being doing dumb ass stuff.I doubt Adam Shefter is out to get Mangini.
You mean they "claim" it got jacked more at practice. If it was already hurt, you don't go into that kind of practice. It is like the "rumors" Bentley faked his injury and he was already hurt before.
You mean they "claim" it got jacked more at practice. If it was already hurt, you don't go into that kind of practice. It is like the "rumors" Bentley faked his injury and he was already hurt before.
That is what I said, hence the use of the word "supposedly" in my post. -
And if a report by ESPN's Adam Schefter is true -- that rookie running back James Davis was hurt in practice when ordered to run padless against fully padded defensive players -- Mangini will be in trouble with the league and in trouble when he tries to lure free agents to Cleveland next offseason.
The Davis allegations are troubling, and the team has already talked to a league official investigating the incident. The Browns say the incident never happened that way. Davis, they claim, was injured when going against linebacker Blake Costanzo in a post-practice pass-rushing drill, when both players were not wearing pads. The play left Davis on injured reserve with a shoulder injury. The NFL Players Association is also looking into the story, and I'll follow up as developments occur, as best I can.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...l#ixzz0TnNH0GJP
Well the story coming out is different today than it was yesterday. Imagine that. But no, we should make judgements BEFORE all the facts come out.
And FYI, Carey and Steptoe got hurt during practice. Nothing more.
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And if a report by ESPN's Adam Schefter is true -- that rookie running back James Davis was hurt in practice when ordered to run padless against fully padded defensive players -- Mangini will be in trouble with the league and in trouble when he tries to lure free agents to Cleveland next offseason.
The Davis allegations are troubling, and the team has already talked to a league official investigating the incident. The Browns say the incident never happened that way. Davis, they claim, was injured when going against linebacker Blake Costanzo in a post-practice pass-rushing drill, when both players were not wearing pads. The play left Davis on injured reserve with a shoulder injury. The NFL Players Association is also looking into the story, and I'll follow up as developments occur, as best I can.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writ...l#ixzz0TnNH0GJP
Even worse. Why wasn't either guy wearing pads?
This isnt toughening up freshman on the JV squad trying to make the team. These guys both probably squat over 400lbs a piece. That is a lot of force colliding together. Unacceptable that this is happening. I understand selling out for your team/coach, but there has to be some smarts about it.
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I agree and I think maybe this was more of a walk through/positioning type drill and Davis aggravated an existing injury. If they did not have pads I'm certain this was more of a technique/placement drill than a pickup backyard football type deal. Again I don't know for sure but that's what it sounds like to me.
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