James Davis Drama
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Masters said:
Here is one article on it.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=4388347
That's different. That's a mediocre receiver complaining because he got hurt in wet conditions. There were 79 other guys out in wet conditions and none of them got hurt. This, if true, it a bit more legitimate and bit more serious. That said, it makes no sense that this would happen.
That's different. That's a mediocre receiver complaining because he got hurt in wet conditions. There were 79 other guys out in wet conditions and none of them got hurt. This, if true, it a bit more legitimate and bit more serious. That said, it makes no sense that this would happen.
I'm just saying, you now have Carey story, the Steptoe story, and now the Davis story. As someone else said, that is starting to be a lot of smoke.
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Masters said:
Here is one article on it.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=4388347
That's different. That's a mediocre receiver complaining because he got hurt in wet conditions. There were 79 other guys out in wet conditions and none of them got hurt. This, if true, it a bit more legitimate and bit more serious. That said, it makes no sense that this would happen.
That's different. That's a mediocre receiver complaining because he got hurt in wet conditions. There were 79 other guys out in wet conditions and none of them got hurt. This, if true, it a bit more legitimate and bit more serious. That said, it makes no sense that this would happen.
You haven't heard anything yet.
Wait until Braylon starts talking.
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BE will be facing some suspension time before his career is over.
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That's different. That's a mediocre receiver complaining because he got hurt in wet conditions. There were 79 other guys out in wet conditions and none of them got hurt. This, if true, it a bit more legitimate and bit more serious. That said, it makes no sense that this would happen.
You haven't heard anything yet.
Wait until Braylon starts talking.
You haven't heard anything yet.
Wait until Braylon starts talking.
Wow. You're right. What's taking him so long?
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Who is the a-hole LB that hit him? Why is he not wearing pads?
Who are the real morons here? The two players involved.
I highly doubt he tore his labrum on this play. That is a long term problem.
But of course this is Mangini's fault.
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@.mz said:
Because when practice is over, I'm guessing guys take their pads off.Now we get to see you play lawyer AND doctor on the same message board.
Mangini is a chest-beater. It is what it is.
He injured the shoulder against Minnesota and apparently aggravated it during this "opportunity". Sounds to me like a player who's trying to hang it on the team so that he can collect a full check. It's reminiscent of the player who isn't supposed to be riding motorcycles.....
I can promise you he didn't first tear his labrum in some half-assed drill. (and yes, I am a doctor).
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@.mz said:
Because when practice is over, I'm guessing guys take their pads off.Now we get to see you play lawyer AND doctor on the same message board.
Mangini is a chest-beater. It is what it is.
Well if practice is over why is the player alledgely playing blitz pickup without pads against a player who was, and why the f'ck is the player in pads letting him do it? And why is this on Mangini? Until ALL the facts come out how about reserving judgement.
Lawyer and Doctor? Hey asshat do you know what a torn labrum is? Do you know how they happen? How about shutting it while you go find out.
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@.mz said:
Because Mangini is the boss, and the buck stops there, so to speak. You know that. Bullshit going down on his watch, whether he "authorized" it or not, whether he even saw it or not, is on HIM. Because he's the boss.Is it a torn ballsack, Doctor DD? Broken clitoris??
I'll hit you up later, fellas. Gotta check out Web f-ing MD to catch up with DD's medical expertise.
Sorry, but this isn't on Mangini because Davis had damaged his shoulder BEFORE this supposedly took place. My guess it didn't really happen at all, but the players and players in question who made it look like it to get at Mangini. No different than the non-water bottle incident. I feel sorry for Davis because he is caught up in all this much like Elam.
The Savage/Crennel players will not go down without a fight.
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@.mz said:
Because Mangini is the boss, and the buck stops there, so to speak. You know that. Bullshit going down on his watch, whether he "authorized" it or not, whether he even saw it or not, is on HIM. Because he's the boss.Is it a torn ballsack, Doctor DD? Broken clitoris??
I'll hit you up later, fellas. Gotta check out Web f-ing MD to catch up with DD's medical expertise.
Sorry, but this isn't on Mangini because Davis had damaged his shoulder BEFORE this supposedly took place. My guess it didn't really happen at all, but the players and players in question who made it look like it to get at Mangini. No different than the non-water bottle incident. I feel sorry for Davis because he is caught up in all this much like Elam.
The Savage/Crennel players will not go down without a fight.
Sorry, but this isn't on Mangini because Davis was damaged his shoulder BEFORE this supposedly took place. My guess it didn't really happen at all, but the players and players in question who made it look like it to get at Mangini. No different than the non-water bottle incident. I feel sorry for Davis because he is caught up in all this much like Elam.
The Savage/Crennel players will not go down without a fight.
Very true, and I was reading that there is a financial incentive for this to be on the team as opposed to just your run of the mill injury....just can't seem to find that. Must've been retracted.
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@.mz said:
I'll hit you up later, fellas. Gotta check out Web f-ing MD to catch up with DD's medical expertise.You miss the point again. Why give credence to the rumor when you don't know WTF you're talking about? Why are you expanding the rumor based on information a laymen should know not to be true? You're anti-Mangini, I realize that. But use your fooking head.
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@.mz said:
I miss the point, but you're the one laboring on re: the injury instead of focusing on the big picture. Because you obviously didn't get it the eighth time, I'll spell it out for you: the injury itself wasn't the point, it's the chest-beating man-up pussy dogshit Mangini seems to be spewing that CONTRIBUTED to said injury.Could you quantify that? "Seems to be spewing"? How do you know what Mangini expects in practice and how far he expects these guys to go? You're trying to make your perception of Mangini's persona translate into responsibility for this injury. You don't have enough data to say that.
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What's up with mangina and injuries?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...eKIiHwD9B9SA3G1
NFL investigating Browns running back's injury
By TOM WITHERS (AP) – 55 minutes ago
BEREA, Ohio — Cleveland Browns coach Eric Mangini said he's cooperating with the NFL in its investigation into rookie running back James Davis' mysterious season-ending shoulder injury.
On Sunday, ESPN.com reported that Davis was injured during a recent post-practice period for extra work when he was hit by a Browns linebacker. According to the report, witnesses said Davis was not wearing shoulder pads while the unidentified defender who hit him had them on.
League spokesman Greg Aiello said the league is aware of the alleged incident and has been looking into the matter.
"The review is ongoing," Aiello said in an e-mail response to The Associated Press.
Mangini confirmed Monday that he has had discussions with the league, and said that following his own research that he's "comfortable with where we are on it."
"I like James Davis a lot," Mangini said. "The last thing we want to do is ever put him in a position or anybody in a position where they could get hurt. I've talked to a lot of people involved in it and we're going to continue to work with the league on it."
Mangini did not deny the report, but repeated several times that he has been in touch with the league.
He said the post-practice period is open to all players to get in extra work, but that it's normally attended by rookies and younger players. He said the workouts are done in a controlled environment, supervised by coaches. Mangini said he occasionally watches.
Mangini noted that Patriots quarterback Tom Brady took part in similar sessions during his first season with New England.
Mangini said he would never condone a situation like the one being reported.
"We'd never do that," he said. "If something like that did happen, it shouldn't happen. Ever."
A sixth-round draft pick from Clemson, Davis was impressive in training camp and the exhibition season. He was hurt in the season opener against Minnesota and was placed on injured reserve on Oct. 3.
The ESPN report said the NFL Players Association may file a grievance, although Davis may hesitate for fear of losing his job. His base salary is $310,000 this season.
Browns linebacker D'Qwell Jackson did not see the incident, and thought it sounded implausible. He said players can be fined by Mangini for not wearing the proper pads at practice.
"That sounds crazy to me that something like that would be reported," Jackson said. "But I wasn't there. I don't know exactly what happened. That doesn't make any sense to me. That wouldn't be fair to him (Davis)."
Running back Jamal Lewis, who knows Davis well, avoided any specific questions about the incident.
"Actually, I don't really know none of that," said Lewis, who attended the same Atlanta high school as Davis. "I just know that he had hurt his shoulder in the first game. That's all I really know about."
Mangini confirmed that Davis will need surgery but would not say if an operation has been scheduled.
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@jadbf said:
in the end it IS MANGINI's fault. But not because of some attitude he has about "manning up" but because it's his coaching staff, and if there are rules, then the coach watching this drill should have made sure both players were following the rules.mz the pussy is like Bill Livingston. He'll make shit up and ignore facts to get his point across. We may find out that there was no truth to the story that Davis went without pads and the LB had them. I HIGHLY doubt that's what occurred, but if true then Mangini needs to hold some people accountable, than promptly cut the two idiots because they undoubtedly do not have the brains to play in the NFL. The buck stops with Mangini but there are some facts that need to be presented before I believe some sources.
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@.mz said:
I miss the point, but you're the one laboring on re: the injury instead of focusing on the big picture. Because you obviously didn't get it the eighth time, I'll spell it out for you: the injury itself wasn't the point, it's the chest-beating man-up pussy dogshit Mangini seems to be spewing that CONTRIBUTED to said injury.Could you quantify that? "Seems to be spewing"? How do you know what Mangini expects in practice and how far he expects these guys to go? You're trying to make your perception of Mangini's persona translate into responsibility for this injury. You don't have enough data to say that.
Could you quantify that? "Seems to be spewing"? How do you know what Mangini expects in practice and how far he expects these guys to go? You're trying to make your perception of Mangini's persona translate into responsibility for this injury. You don't have enough data to say that.
mz the pussy was all hot and heavy for this thread until asked to explain himself, and then much like Lums, he disappears in the face of facts.
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Or it could be that mz the pussy isn't logged in right now.
This is 3 cases of injuries with questionable situations. While it might not end up being true, that is a lot of smoke.
Masters said:
Or it could be that mz the pussy isn't logged in right now.This is 3 cases of injuries with questionable situations. While it might not end up being true, that is a lot of smoke.
He was here yesterday after Earl34 posted, he just ignored this thread.
What 3 questionable injuries?
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Masters said:
Or it could be that mz the pussy isn't logged in right now.This is 3 cases of injuries with questionable situations. While it might not end up being true, that is a lot of smoke.
He was here yesterday after Earl34 posted, he just ignored this thread.
What 3 questionable injuries?
He was here yesterday after Earl34 posted, he just ignored this thread.
What 3 questionable injuries?
Jesus dude, maybe he didn't make it back to this thread before he logged out.
I'd suggest you read the thread instead of chastizing mz the pussy. All 3 are listed in this thread (Carey, Steptoe, and now Davis).
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He was here yesterday after Earl34 posted, he just ignored this thread.
What 3 questionable injuries?
Jesus dude, maybe he didn't make it back to this thread before he logged out.
I'd suggest you read the thread instead of chastizing mz the pussy. All 3 are listed in this thread (Carey, Steptoe, and now Davis).
Masters said:
I'd suggest you read the thread instead of chastizing mz the pussy.What are you guys going out or something? He opens his mouth all the time before having the facts straight. I on the other hand want to wait for all the facts. Pretty simple stuff.
Nothing questionable about Carey or Steptoe, they got hurt practicing. We'll see what comes out with Davis. Some of you have a hard on for Mangini and that clouds your judgement.
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Masters said:
I'd suggest you read the thread instead of chastizing mz the pussy.What are you guys going out or something? He opens his mouth all the time before having the facts straight. I on the other hand want to wait for all the facts. Pretty simple stuff.
Nothing questionable about Carey or Steptoe, they got hurt practicing. We'll see what comes out with Davis. Some of you have a hard on for Mangini and that clouds your judgement.
What are you guys going out or something? He opens his mouth all the time before having the facts straight. I on the other hand want to wait for all the facts. Pretty simple stuff.
Vegas...please get on topic. This thread is not about mz the pussy, it is about James Davis. If you disagree with mz the pussy, fine, but no need to go on and on about HIM. Talk the subject.
thanks
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One article on Steptoe
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp...tory?id=4388347
He and his agent seem to think there was something questionable going on (we'll of course likely never know what becomes of any grievence they file).
Carey ended up with a shoulder injury during one of those similar type of practices, and there was speculation and question at the time regarding the Browns handling of it, and how it occured.
Like I said, it all may be nothing. But that's smoke and you can't just sweep it under the rug as nothing, at least not yet. Once is nothing, twice is questionable, three times has to raise a flag.
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