The Measurement
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Does anyone have a screen shot of that measurement? You must know the one. I'd love to see it again.
Funny how these controversies are ignored by the "experts" at halftime and during the post game.
Does anyone have a screen shot of that measurement? You must know the one. I'd love to see it again.
Funny how these controversies are ignored by the "experts" at halftime and during the post game.
It was shown from the Back Angle. We didn't get to see the Strait across shot . just the back angle, NO Way do the Refs call it a 1st Down if it wasn't ,please. Add to that IF the refs were "Helping" Pittsburgh they damn sure wouldn't have overturned Hines Wards TD which easily could have been ruled a Catch , esp. since it WAS Ruled a catch in the 1st place , and needed irrefutable evidence (Which there wasn't , he lost the ball on his 2nd Roll over) a little common sense here please. I don't blame you guys for being pissed in general , but the measurement had nothing to do with the loss. It was a First down.
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I dunno if it this is the actual rule, but some guy in the stream chat said the 10 yard marking is actually the orange chain, not the big flag, which if true means it goes against what probably 99% of fans think the rule is
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suns said:
http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad76/su...6aa6f505e28.jpgYour welcome.
Look at the Color marker on the Stick , you can see its shot on an ANGLE. Hilarious... I guess you gotta Cry about something.
QUOTE (Bob806 @ Oct 18 2009, 06:00 PM)
I will say it yet again...we got our team, colors, & history back, but will never get a f-in break until 2020.
One reason I'm not a big fan of NCAA Football is because it's a lot like ice skating- the rankings system is subjective. The NFL is slowly turning into the WWF, looking like it's rigged. The replay on Mendenhall's fumble showed it was a fumble, and we got screwed 4 plays later by a measurement scandal.
I HATE replay. Screws us over every time.
Really did REPLAY Screw you when Hines Ward caught that TD in the Corner of the end zone.... Generalizations and exaggerations rule here.
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suns said:
http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad76/su...6aa6f505e28.jpgYour welcome.
I've watched football for over 40 years and NEVER seen a meaurement botched until this one. That said, I'm not sure if it was botched or just PREPAID like the Superbowl in Detroit was.
I know Pittsburgh fans want to pretend they got screwed on pass to Ward in the end zone the very next play. Basically you still have 3 points awarded to a team that SHOULD have lost possession of the ball. That wasn't even close enough to measure unless of course the spot got shadey in the first place. As usual, the Rooneys got it covered.
I don't really think Pittsburgh needed the help today but as usual somebody was all too ambitious to provide it wearing the black and white.
- Tom F.
I've watched football for over 40 years and NEVER seen a meaurement botched until this one. That said, I'm not sure if it was botched or just PREPAID like the Superbowl in Detroit was.
I know Pittsburgh fans want to pretend they got screwed on pass to Ward in the end zone the very next play. Basically you still have 3 points awarded to a team that SHOULD have lost possession of the ball. That wasn't even close enough to measure unless of course the spot got shadey in the first place. As usual, the Rooneys got it covered.
I don't really think Pittsburgh needed the help today but as usual somebody was all too ambitious to provide it wearing the black and white.
- Tom F.
Shall we explain why the Ward TD Overruled since the game was "Bought and Paid for " ???? Dont say it wasn't a TD because THAT doesn't matter the NFL Blows Replay calls EVERY WEEK with No repercussion. You sound like an azzzzz.
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Formerly Stone said:
What kind of person actually thinks like this?Me. Replay is a joke...it slows the game down, and IMHO, has caused officiating to decline.
It's not just being bitter about replay as a Browns fan. It's being bitter about it as a football fan in general. I could give a rat's ass about the Raiders or Bills, ask them about the replays in their "tuck rule' or bullshit "Music City Miracle" playoff games. Even you guys vs. Tennessee on the FG by Nedney.
Yes, I HATE replay.
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Formerly Stone said:
What kind of person actually thinks like this?Me. Replay is a joke...it slows the game down, and IMHO, has caused officiating to decline.
It's not just being bitter about replay as a Browns fan. It's being bitter about it as a football fan in general. I could give a rat's ass about the Raiders or Bills, ask them about the replays in their "tuck rule' or bullshit "Music City Miracle" playoff games. Even you guys vs. Tennessee on the FG by Nedney.
Yes, I HATE replay.
Me. Replay is a joke...it slows the game down, and IMHO, has caused officiating to decline.
It's not just being bitter about replay as a Browns fan. It's being bitter about it as a football fan in general. I could give a rat's ass about the Raiders or Bills, ask them about the replays in their "tuck rule' or bullshit "Music City Miracle" playoff games. Even you guys vs. Tennessee on the FG by Nedney.
Yes, I HATE replay.
AGREED 100% its sucks , overturns in Bizarre fashion. Rubber stamps Obvious plays that should be Overturned. I say Junk it.
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I've watched football for over 40 years and NEVER seen a meaurement botched until this one. That said, I'm not sure if it was botched or just PREPAID like the Superbowl in Detroit was.
I know Pittsburgh fans want to pretend they got screwed on pass to Ward in the end zone the very next play. Basically you still have 3 points awarded to a team that SHOULD have lost possession of the ball. That wasn't even close enough to measure unless of course the spot got shadey in the first place. As usual, the Rooneys got it covered.
I don't really think Pittsburgh needed the help today but as usual somebody was all too ambitious to provide it wearing the black and white.
- Tom F.
Shall we explain why the Ward TD Overruled since the game was "Bought and Paid for " ???? Dont say it wasn't a TD because THAT doesn't matter the NFL Blows Replay calls EVERY WEEK with No repercussion. You sound like an azzzzz.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Shall we explain why the Ward TD Overruled since the game was "Bought and Paid for " ???? Dont say it wasn't a TD because THAT doesn't matter the NFL Blows Replay calls EVERY WEEK with No repercussion. You sound like an azzzzz.Should they have STILL had possession after the measurement shows they didn't make it to the line to gain? They got 3 points from it and nobody saw Hines Ward arguing the call because that ball never got secured. Are we supposed to feel thankful the refs only handed you 3 points instead of 7?
Comeon, in 1 breath you guys want to act like you don't need any help against the Borwns and in the other breath you still THINK you need the refs.
- Tom F. (The Rooney Rule is they got it covered!)
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Does anyone have a screen shot of that measurement? You must know the one. I'd love to see it again.
Funny how these controversies are ignored by the "experts" at halftime and during the post game.
It was shown from the Back Angle. We didn't get to see the Strait across shot . just the back angle, NO Way do the Refs call it a 1st Down if it wasn't ,please. Add to that IF the refs were "Helping" Pittsburgh they damn sure wouldn't have overturned Hines Wards TD which easily could have been ruled a Catch , esp. since it WAS Ruled a catch in the 1st place , and needed irrefutable evidence (Which there wasn't , he lost the ball on his 2nd Roll over) a little common sense here please. I don't blame you guys for being pissed in general , but the measurement had nothing to do with the loss. It was a First down.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Add to that IF the refs were "Helping" Pittsburgh they damn sure wouldn't have overturned Hines Wards TD which easily could have been ruled a Catch , esp. since it WAS Ruled a catch in the 1st place , and needed irrefutable evidence (Which there wasn't , he lost the ball on his 2nd Roll over) a little common sense here please.Um there was way more evidence than what they needed on that play. You have to complete the play without losing possession, which he clearly didn't. You could roll 800 times before losing the ball and it's an incompletion. You have to come to a stop with possession, thats when the play ends.
Its a pretty simple rule, you should be able to understand that, you're a pretty simple guy.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Shall we explain why the Ward TD Overruled since the game was "Bought and Paid for " ???? Dont say it wasn't a TD because THAT doesn't matter the NFL Blows Replay calls EVERY WEEK with No repercussion. You sound like an azzzzz.Should they have STILL had possession after the measurement shows they didn't make it to the line to gain? They got 3 points from it and nobody saw Hines Ward arguing the call because that ball never got secured. Are we supposed to feel thankful the refs only handed you 3 points instead of 7?
Comeon, in 1 breath you guys want to act like you don't need any help against the Borwns and in the other breath you still THINK you need the refs.
- Tom F. (The Rooney Rule is they got it covered!)
Should they have STILL had possession after the measurement shows they didn't make it to the line to gain? They got 3 points from it and nobody saw Hines Ward arguing the call because that ball never got secured. Are we supposed to feel thankful the refs only handed you 3 points instead of 7?
Comeon, in 1 breath you guys want to act like you don't need any help against the Borwns and in the other breath you still THINK you need the refs.
- Tom F. (The Rooney Rule is they got it covered!)
But our perspective on the call was jaded. It was the angle. Look at replays , I though it was short as well Until the replay. You can see the Camera angle wasn't giving us the true Look. I do a Lot of Filming and Photography , I know this is the case. Its REAL Obvious when you watch the replay and are looking for it.
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Should they have STILL had possession after the measurement shows they didn't make it to the line to gain? They got 3 points from it and nobody saw Hines Ward arguing the call because that ball never got secured. Are we supposed to feel thankful the refs only handed you 3 points instead of 7?
Comeon, in 1 breath you guys want to act like you don't need any help against the Borwns and in the other breath you still THINK you need the refs.
- Tom F. (The Rooney Rule is they got it covered!)
But our perspective on the call was jaded. It was the angle. Look at replays , I though it was short as well Until the replay. You can see the Camera angle wasn't giving us the true Look. I do a Lot of Filming and Photography , I know this is the case. Its REAL Obvious when you watch the replay and are looking for it.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
But our perspective on the call was jaded. It was the angle. Look at replays , I though it was short as well Until the replay. You can see the Camera angle wasn't giving us the true Look. I do a Lot of Filming and Photography , I know this is the case. Its REAL Obvious when you watch the replay and are looking for it.Guys stop fighting over this. It's over, man. They won, and we lost again. Yes, lost again. Let's all focus onto Green Bay.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Add to that IF the refs were "Helping" Pittsburgh they damn sure wouldn't have overturned Hines Wards TD which easily could have been ruled a Catch , esp. since it WAS Ruled a catch in the 1st place , and needed irrefutable evidence (Which there wasn't , he lost the ball on his 2nd Roll over) a little common sense here please.Um there was way more evidence than what they needed on that play. You have to complete the play without losing possession, which he clearly didn't. You could roll 800 times before losing the ball and it's an incompletion. You have to come to a stop with possession, thats when the play ends.
Its a pretty simple rule, you should be able to understand that, you're a pretty simple guy.
Um there was way more evidence than what they needed on that play. You have to complete the play without losing possession, which he clearly didn't. You could roll 800 times before losing the ball and it's an incompletion. You have to come to a stop with possession, thats when the play ends.
Its a pretty simple rule, you should be able to understand that, you're a pretty simple guy.
Dude NO way does that get over turned in many cases. Even the Play by Play guy was saying its a catch . Your jaded in your thinking , as I am . My friend a Philly Fan thought TD. my brother IN law (cowboy Fan) thought TD. Wilcots was doubting it, It was a TD on the Field HA D to be irrefutable thats why this system SUCKS . NO Consistency. I think if you line up 100 people , it would be 50/50 split. Which equals TD. NOT Irrefutable !!
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Um there was way more evidence than what they needed on that play. You have to complete the play without losing possession, which he clearly didn't. You could roll 800 times before losing the ball and it's an incompletion. You have to come to a stop with possession, thats when the play ends.
Its a pretty simple rule, you should be able to understand that, you're a pretty simple guy.
Dude NO way does that get over turned in many cases. Even the Play by Play guy was saying its a catch . Your jaded in your thinking , as I am . My friend a Philly Fan thought TD. my brother IN law (cowboy Fan) thought TD. Wilcots was doubting it, It was a TD on the Field HA D to be irrefutable thats why this system SUCKS . NO Consistency. I think if you line up 100 people , it would be 50/50 split. Which equals TD. NOT Irrefutable !!
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Dude NO way does that get over turned in many cases. Even the Play by Play guy was saying its a catch . Your jaded in your thinking , as I am . My friend a Philly Fan thought TD. my brother IN law (cowboy Fan) thought TD. Wilcots was doubting it, It was a TD on the Field HA D to be irrefutable thats why this system SUCKS . NO Consistency. I think if you line up 100 people , it would be 50/50 split. Which equals TD. NOT Irrefutable !!I don't care if you have every mentally challenged person you know agreeing with you, it's still a simple rule, not one of the 'judgement call' rules that can be confusing. KEEP POSSESSION UNTIL THE PLAY IS DEAD. It's an end zone rule that is clearly written.
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Here's the rule ya silly Yinzers. You must control the ball when you hit the ground. He didn't, it clearly dislodged even though he still had it. It wasn't overturned from when he rolled over, it was the initial Quincy Morgan bobble that got him.
Why were both teams reacting as if Big Gay was short when they were looking at the measurement? That was ridiculous and a bad spot to begin with.
Since when is it an announcers job to comment on a supposed holding call he thinks he sees on a kickoff return? Not only that, the choad kept talking about for five fooking minutes. I have never seen that before in my life, but for some reason these things only seem to happen when Pittspuke is involved.
Yinz outplayed us and are better, but it still pisses me off you can't see the calls you always seem to get. We got a roughing call cuz our guy was being pulled and held by his facemask right into Big Gay. The ref was standing right there.
Good ole Pittspuke. For those that remember, this shit goes back to 1978 when Larry Anderson of the Steelers fumbled the opening kickoff in OT. Browns recovered, FG and game was over. They ruled him down, although nobody was within three yards of him. The great flea flicker to Bennie Cunningham ensued, another part of Steeler lore precipitated by complete bullshit.
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WTF
Unlike what I said in the tavern....that doesn't appear to be angle...all I can say is I wonder if the pole isn't the maker anymore and the white link is now the measuring point????
In baseball a tie goes to the runner...in football, do you have to make 10 yards or go over 10 yards??
I say go 10 yards.
In the end, that didn't cost us the game.
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WTF
Unlike what I said in the tavern....that doesn't appear to be angle...all I can say is I wonder if the pole isn't the maker anymore and the white link is now the measuring point????
In baseball a tie goes to the runner...in football, do you have to make 10 yards or go over 10 yards??
I say go 10 yards.
In the end, that didn't cost us the game.
Unlike what I said in the tavern....that doesn't appear to be angle...all I can say is I wonder if the pole isn't the maker anymore and the white link is now the measuring point????
In baseball a tie goes to the runner...in football, do you have to make 10 yards or go over 10 yards??
I say go 10 yards.
In the end, that didn't cost us the game.
I agree 100%. This shot seems close enough that they angle shouldn't matter.
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WTF
Unlike what I said in the tavern....that doesn't appear to be angle...all I can say is I wonder if the pole isn't the maker anymore and the white link is now the measuring point????
In baseball a tie goes to the runner...in football, do you have to make 10 yards or go over 10 yards??
I say go 10 yards.
In the end, that didn't cost us the game.
Unlike what I said in the tavern....that doesn't appear to be angle...all I can say is I wonder if the pole isn't the maker anymore and the white link is now the measuring point????
In baseball a tie goes to the runner...in football, do you have to make 10 yards or go over 10 yards??
I say go 10 yards.
In the end, that didn't cost us the game.
LOOK AT the Pink Tag at the Bottom. Its NOT a side angle its from the Left FRONT you can see the FACE of it . Are you seriously That stupid ????????????
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Here's the rule ya silly Yinzers. You must control the ball when you hit the ground. He didn't, it clearly dislodged even though he still had it. It wasn't overturned from when he rolled over, it was the initial Quincy Morgan bobble that got him.
Why were both teams reacting as if Big Gay was short when they were looking at the measurement? That was ridiculous and a bad spot to begin with.
Since when is it an announcers job to comment on a supposed holding call he thinks he sees on a kickoff return? Not only that, the choad kept talking about for five fooking minutes. I have never seen that before in my life, but for some reason these things only seem to happen when Pittspuke is involved.
Yinz outplayed us and are better, but it still pisses me off you can't see the calls you always seem to get. We got a roughing call cuz our guy was being pulled and held by his facemask right into Big Gay. The ref was standing right there.
Good ole Pittspuke. For those that remember, this shit goes back to 1978 when Larry Anderson of the Steelers fumbled the opening kickoff in OT. Browns recovered, FG and game was over. They ruled him down, although nobody was within three yards of him. The great flea flicker to Bennie Cunningham ensued, another part of Steeler lore precipitated by complete bullshit.
Here's the rule ya silly Yinzers. You must control the ball when you hit the ground. He didn't, it clearly dislodged even though he still had it. It wasn't overturned from when he rolled over, it was the initial Quincy Morgan bobble that got him.
Why were both teams reacting as if Big Gay was short when they were looking at the measurement? That was ridiculous and a bad spot to begin with.
Since when is it an announcers job to comment on a supposed holding call he thinks he sees on a kickoff return? Not only that, the choad kept talking about for five fooking minutes. I have never seen that before in my life, but for some reason these things only seem to happen when Pittspuke is involved.
Yinz outplayed us and are better, but it still pisses me off you can't see the calls you always seem to get. We got a roughing call cuz our guy was being pulled and held by his facemask right into Big Gay. The ref was standing right there.
Good ole Pittspuke. For those that remember, this shit goes back to 1978 when Larry Anderson of the Steelers fumbled the opening kickoff in OT. Browns recovered, FG and game was over. They ruled him down, although nobody was within three yards of him. The great flea flicker to Bennie Cunningham ensued, another part of Steeler lore precipitated by complete bullshit.
Dude he had a Catch.. Hit the Ground and Rolled over. As rolling over a SECOND time the ball came loose , shown More than enough control. They Plain of the Goal line was Broken. The Play was Dead as hit hot the ground and Still had the ball locked away... Thats BS and STILL A Judgement call. Typical BS NFL Replay. It doesnt work . And sill with you argument , it just shows NO Bias toward Pittsburgh. Or they would have said No Irrefutable evidence , and let it stand . After all they WANTED Pittsburgh to win... right ?? You guys aint gonna agree with me and I aint gonna agree with you. So , The refs ruled with You and we won anyway , so Thats life.
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Silverback My Bad Bro...misread your Post. Ignor my PM.
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Formerly Stone said:
I'd really like to see a straight angle view!What we have here is a parallax :
A simple everyday example of parallax can be seen in the dashboard of motor vehicles that use a "needle" type speedometer gauge (when the needle is mounted in front of its dial scale in a way that leaves a noticeable spacing between them). When viewed from directly in front, the speed may show 60 (i.e. the needle appears against the '60' mark on the dial behind); but when viewed from the passenger seat (i.e. from an oblique angle) the needle can appear against a slightly lower or higher mark (depending on whether it is viewed from the left or from the right), because of the combined effect of the spacing and the angle of view.
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