Let's give up on these guys
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How about this guy..... WORST in the NFL and Mangina loves him? Our team is doomed for years to come...
ATT CMP % Rt
108 48 44.4 506 4.69 43 2 6 6 41.7 127
FORTY-FOUR % !!!!!!
a FORTY-ONE rating !!!!???
And ignorant fools like ANTEARS or whatever the guy's name is still bends over and takes it for this guy.
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OK, so as to promote the controversy:
Player 1 is Mohammed Massaquoi
Player 2 is Brian Robiskie
Player 3 is James Davis
Player 4 is Kaiuka Maiava
Player 5 is Josh Cribbs (I left out his rushing and special teams stats)
Player 6 is Jerome Harrison
Player 7 is Ahtya Rubin
Player 8 is Brady Quinn
Player 5 is Josh Cribbs (I left out his rushing and special teams stats)
That might be important.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
The point obviously is that you wouldn't give up on these rookies that have played in 4-5-2 games, yet a guy that has played in all of 7 games, S-E-V-E-N has already been completely judged, convicted, and sentenced. Why should we wait for the jury on these other guys. They are obviously no good and should be deleted, right?
The point obviously is that you wouldn't give up on these rookies that have played in 4-5-2 games, yet a guy that has played in all of 7 games, S-E-V-E-N has already been completely judged, convicted, and sentenced.
I think he was judged and convicted prior to ever playing at all. RAC knew he didn't have game. Mangini knew he didn't have game.
But the politics and pressure from fans such as yourself made putting him in there for some period of time a necessity.
His performance was exactly what myself, RAC, and Mangini expected. The purpose and intent was to quiet the maniacal Quinn fans. Yet still some of those fans linger, making Quinn's mere presence a hindrance.
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How about this guy..... WORST in the NFL and Mangina loves him? Our team is doomed for years to come...
ATT CMP % Rt
108 48 44.4 506 4.69 43 2 6 6 41.7 127
FORTY-FOUR % !!!!!!
a FORTY-ONE rating !!!!???
And ignorant fools like ANTEARS or whatever the guy's name is still bends over and takes it for this guy.
How about this guy..... WORST in the NFL and Mangina loves him? Our team is doomed for years to come...
ATT CMP % Rt
108 48 44.4 506 4.69 43 2 6 6 41.7 127
FORTY-FOUR % !!!!!!
a FORTY-ONE rating !!!!???
And ignorant fools like ANTEARS or whatever the guy's name is still bends over and takes it for this guy.
Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
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Player 5 is Josh Cribbs (I left out his rushing and special teams stats)
That might be important.
That might be important.
It is, of course. But, if you were just judging Cribbs by his receiver production, he would probably not be making the grade.
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The point obviously is that you wouldn't give up on these rookies that have played in 4-5-2 games, yet a guy that has played in all of 7 games, S-E-V-E-N has already been completely judged, convicted, and sentenced.
I think he was judged and convicted prior to ever playing at all. RAC knew he didn't have game. Mangini knew he didn't have game.
But the politics and pressure from fans such as yourself made putting him in there for some period of time a necessity.
His performance was exactly what myself, RAC, and Mangini expected. The purpose and intent was to quiet the maniacal Quinn fans. Yet still some of those fans linger, making Quinn's mere presence a hindrance.
I think he was judged and convicted prior to ever playing at all. RAC knew he didn't have game. Mangini knew he didn't have game.
But the politics and pressure from fans such as yourself made putting him in there for some period of time a necessity.
His performance was exactly what myself, RAC, and Mangini expected. The purpose and intent was to quiet the maniacal Quinn fans. Yet still some of those fans linger, making Quinn's mere presence a hindrance.
How do you or any other motherf***er, including Mangini and Crennell tell if he has game? He hasn't been in enough
f(((ing games to tell. OK, in 2 of his seven games he lost to teams that now have a combined 12-0 record. He wasn't able to match up to that competition. Name me the players on this Cleveland Browns team that did hold their own in those games? Maybe Joe Thomas and that's about it. No one on defense. No skill players on offense.
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I think he was judged and convicted prior to ever playing at all. RAC knew he didn't have game. Mangini knew he didn't have game.
But the politics and pressure from fans such as yourself made putting him in there for some period of time a necessity.
His performance was exactly what myself, RAC, and Mangini expected. The purpose and intent was to quiet the maniacal Quinn fans. Yet still some of those fans linger, making Quinn's mere presence a hindrance.
How do you or any other motherf***er, including Mangini and Crennell tell if he has game? He hasn't been in enough
f(((ing games to tell. OK, in 2 of his seven games he lost to teams that now have a combined 12-0 record. He wasn't able to match up to that competition. Name me the players on this Cleveland Browns team that did hold their own in those games? Maybe Joe Thomas and that's about it. No one on defense. No skill players on offense.
How do you or any other motherf***er, including Mangini and Crennell tell if he has game? He hasn't been in enough
f(((ing games to tell. OK, in 2 of his seven games he lost to teams that now have a combined 12-0 record. He wasn't able to match up to that competition. Name me the players on this Cleveland Browns team that did hold their own in those games? Maybe Joe Thomas and that's about it. No one on defense. No skill players on offense.
In addition to his 7 regular season games he also played in 11 preseason games, starting 4. That's action in 18 games.
He's been the same dink n dunker the entire time. You know it. I know it.
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How about this guy..... WORST in the NFL and Mangina loves him? Our team is doomed for years to come...
ATT CMP % Rt
108 48 44.4 506 4.69 43 2 6 6 41.7 127
FORTY-FOUR % !!!!!!
a FORTY-ONE rating !!!!???
And ignorant fools like ANTEARS or whatever the guy's name is still bends over and takes it for this guy.
Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do.
I do. So does the team.
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That might be important.
It is, of course. But, if you were just judging Cribbs by his receiver production, he would probably not be making the grade.
It is, of course. But, if you were just judging Cribbs by his receiver production, he would probably not be making the grade.
If your aunt had balls she'd be your uncle.
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How about this guy..... WORST in the NFL and Mangina loves him? Our team is doomed for years to come...
ATT CMP % Rt
108 48 44.4 506 4.69 43 2 6 6 41.7 127
FORTY-FOUR % !!!!!!
a FORTY-ONE rating !!!!???
And ignorant fools like ANTEARS or whatever the guy's name is still bends over and takes it for this guy.
Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
Charlie Frye was with the Browns for a SHORTER time than Quinn. It isn't all about the games played, there's a couple years of preseasons, a couple years of spring ball, a couple years of practice. Two coaching staffs have been reluctant to start Quinn long term, it could possibly be that after watching him for months in practice they just weren't sold on the kid. You''ve got "no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do", but apparently the professional judges of talent feel they do.
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How about this guy..... WORST in the NFL and Mangina loves him? Our team is doomed for years to come...
ATT CMP % Rt
108 48 44.4 506 4.69 43 2 6 6 41.7 127
FORTY-FOUR % !!!!!!
a FORTY-ONE rating !!!!???
And ignorant fools like ANTEARS or whatever the guy's name is still bends over and takes it for this guy.
Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
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Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
The worst part is BQ is going to be worth nothing to trade..all because he rightfully wanted changes made in dumbolls offense..i will not stay with this team if the offensive playbook doesnt improve next year or if DA is still there..ive already had enough crap with the lerners bad ownership since they took over...
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Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
I'm in agreement with you. Seven starts for a guy drafted in the first round? Has to be the quickest hook for a quarterback drafted that high in the history of the NFL.
Career 25 21 4-17-0 317 655 48.4 3666 14 2.1 36 5.5 83 5.6 3.6 11.6 146.6 50.0 65 377 4.6 2.7 9.0 3
I'll save you the suspense on the above stats- they belong to Ryan Leaf, arguably the biggest qb bust ever. 21 starts, 50 qb rating.
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
OH MR. MANGINI, THE P.O.S. QUARTERBACK YOU'RE TROTTING OUT THERE EVERY SUNDAY HAS WORSE STATS & MORE STARTS THAN RYAN LEAF, AND YOU EXPECT US TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THIS CRAP?
What POS QB are you talking about?
QB rating : Leaf 50.0 Anderson 71.0
% completions: Leaf 48.4 Anderson 53.5
YPA : Leaf 5.6 Anderson 6.5
TD/Int ratio: Leaf 14/36 Anderson 45/41
fumbles/fumbles lost: Leaf 24/12 Anderson 18/7
sacks: Leaf 65 Anderson 42
In what statistical category does Anderson have worse stats than Leaf?
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GIPPER:
Not enough info.... you cannot just go by stats to make these decisions.. this seems like a suckers post..or you think people are dumb here or something. There are many more factors involved that the few stats you post up there when it comes to developing players and a team.
for example these are Elway's rookie stats when he was known as the 7mil dollar bust
123 completions 259 attempts 47.5 completion % 1,663 yards 6.4 yards per completion 7td's 14 int's..
Denver knows a young player struggles.. you cannot go just by stats. I am not saying we have any elways but just saying.. Jerry rice had the dropsies his rookie year and was terrible also
GIPPER:
Not enough info.... you cannot just go by stats to make these decisions.. this seems like a suckers post..or you think people are dumb here or something. There are many more factors involved that the few stats you post up there when it comes to developing players and a team.
for example these are Elway's rookie stats when he was known as the 7mil dollar bust
123 completions 259 attempts 47.5 completion % 1,663 yards 6.4 yards per completion 7td's 14 int's..
Denver knows a young player struggles.. you cannot go just by stats. I am not saying we have any elways but just saying.. Jerry rice had the dropsies his rookie year and was terrible also
Well, I think you are making my point exactly. Clearly it was a facetious post about dumping guys who have barely gotten grass stains on their uniforms. The point is, the Broncos stuck with Elway, and gave him a chance. BQ has had 7 career games, 171 pass attempts, on which he has about a 60% completion rate or so. I am not saying he is Elway, But he should be given some kind of a chance to show what he has....or doesn't have.
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How do you or any other motherf***er, including Mangini and Crennell tell if he has game? He hasn't been in enough
f(((ing games to tell. OK, in 2 of his seven games he lost to teams that now have a combined 12-0 record. He wasn't able to match up to that competition. Name me the players on this Cleveland Browns team that did hold their own in those games? Maybe Joe Thomas and that's about it. No one on defense. No skill players on offense.
In addition to his 7 regular season games he also played in 11 preseason games, starting 4. That's action in 18 games.
He's been the same dink n dunker the entire time. You know it. I know it.
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Brady Quinn sat on the bench for 2 years, he should have performed better than a rookie
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do.
I do. So does the team.
I do. So does the team.
Bullshit. You have no more perception about this situation than anyone else, including me. Your prejudices do not constitute knowledge.
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Well, I don't know about that, but at least with DA he has had 35 career games, and has thrown 1035 passes in his career, and his is still a young career, but at least that seems to me to be a fair sampling to judge a player on somewhat. BQ, like I said, has had 7 games.
If anyone here thinks that 7 games is enough to judge a player's capabilities on, please raise your hand!
Even Charlie Frye got 21 games here with the Browns and over 560 pass attempts before they decided he wasn't going to make it here. Couldn't BQ, whom we used a first round pick on at least be given a similar opportunity?
Again, I am not here necessarily to blow BQs horn, its just that I have no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do. Couldn't we at least give him the same opportunity we gave Charlie Frye? If he is lacking, so be it.
Twenty games for a first round QB pick. Is that so much to ask?
Charlie Frye was with the Browns for a SHORTER time than Quinn. It isn't all about the games played, there's a couple years of preseasons, a couple years of spring ball, a couple years of practice. Two coaching staffs have been reluctant to start Quinn long term, it could possibly be that after watching him for months in practice they just weren't sold on the kid. You''ve got "no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do", but apparently the professional judges of talent feel they do.
Charlie Frye was with the Browns for a SHORTER time than Quinn. It isn't all about the games played, there's a couple years of preseasons, a couple years of spring ball, a couple years of practice. Two coaching staffs have been reluctant to start Quinn long term, it could possibly be that after watching him for months in practice they just weren't sold on the kid. You''ve got "no freeking clue what this guy can or cannot do", but apparently the professional judges of talent feel they do.
And those professional talent evaluators are the know all and be of everything, right? Remember, they work for the Browns who haven't been able to judge decent talent for 10 years. Besides, the professional talent evaluators told the Falcons that a kid they drafted couldn't make it, so he should be traded. His name was Favre, Brett Favre. Profesional talent evaluators on the Steelers some years ago said a kid named Unitas should be cut. Maybe Quinn is Unitas, maybe he is Mike Phipps, but at least Phipps got the opportunity to prove that he completely sucked. I am not convinced that Quinn is great, but neither am I convinced the other way either.
I just don't know. And NONE of you know. And the Browns don't know. And my point is that it is equally invalid to judge Quinn after 7 games as it is to judge Massaquoi or Robiskie after 4 or 5 games.
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