Is Brady Quinn the Biggest Bust EVER?
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I dont think BQ is a bust. I feel that his style perhaps does not suit the team right now, which is the reason they are persisting with DA. However the sudden removal of BQ after the Baltimore game and sticking with DA even after the Buffalo game will surely make people from other team wonder what is soo wrong with BQ that Mangini persists with DA. His trade value has dropped for sure.
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1. I can see Quinn winning the qb competition - and that meaning that he isn't a bust.
2. The punch in the nose? I don't know that Quinn is the person he needs to have been
in the locker room.
3. See #2 - I wonder that Quinn is no leader, and is an ego more than a player and qb.
4. I remember Quinn saying something about he DIDN'T NEED Bernie Kosar's tutorage. I swear
I heard that somewhere.
5. It does appear he needs to either grow up, or he has grown up and needs a clean slate somewhere else.
6. I don't expect much in the way of a trade for him, but he wasn't a top ten pick anyways.
7. Right now, I would trade him for a 3rd round pick, and a good future starter RT.
8. But "biggest bust ever" ???? ROF,LMAO. "sniff" The Browns have a well documented history
of far, far bigger busts than Quinn.
8. Right now, the last thing we need the Browns to do, is draft another qb, unless the perfect qb for the Browns
is there. Might not be, I don't know. I'd be happier if we signed a solid veteran FA and fix all the other stuff.
9. It doesn't bother me will all the talk about qb's - it's a major part of the game - but it's nice to not have to read
Shep saying a great qb can make a poor oline a great oline anymore. That DID grate my nerves.... LOL
10. Whatever order, only because it's so early, I would be happy to get a dominant DE, LB, RB, and CB to start next year.
But I will NOT be happy to see DA continue what he's always does. He came into the league a year before Charlie Frye -
and was on BALT's practice squad for good reasons.
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bust for a 1st rounder? still controversial. but he wasn't just a 1st rounder...he was a 1st and a 2nd. ouch, and pretty busty.
ego can probably attribute to a lot of his situation in CLE though so when Kosar says a change of scenery could do him good maybe that's why.
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1. I can see Quinn winning the qb competition - and that meaning that he isn't a bust.
2. The punch in the nose? I don't know that Quinn is the person he needs to have been
in the locker room.
3. See #2 - I wonder that Quinn is no leader, and is an ego more than a player and qb.
4. I remember Quinn saying something about he DIDN'T NEED Bernie Kosar's tutorage. I swear
I heard that somewhere.
5. It does appear he needs to either grow up, or he has grown up and needs a clean slate somewhere else.
6. I don't expect much in the way of a trade for him, but he wasn't a top ten pick anyways.
7. Right now, I would trade him for a 3rd round pick, and a good future starter RT.
8. But "biggest bust ever" ???? ROF,LMAO. "sniff" The Browns have a well documented history
of far, far bigger busts than Quinn.
8. Right now, the last thing we need the Browns to do, is draft another qb, unless the perfect qb for the Browns
is there. Might not be, I don't know. I'd be happier if we signed a solid veteran FA and fix all the other stuff.
9. It doesn't bother me will all the talk about qb's - it's a major part of the game - but it's nice to not have to read
Shep saying a great qb can make a poor oline a great oline anymore. That DID grate my nerves.... LOL
10. Whatever order, only because it's so early, I would be happy to get a dominant DE, LB, RB, and CB to start next year.
But I will NOT be happy to see DA continue what he's always does. He came into the league a year before Charlie Frye -
and was on BALT's practice squad for good reasons.
He came into the league a year before Charlie Frye -
and was on BALT's practice squad for good reasons.
Anderson and Frye were drafted in the same draft. (Anderson is almost 2 years younger than Frye, Anderson never redshirted in college)
Also, DA was never on the BAL practice squad. He got picked up by CLE during the mandatory 24 hr FA period.
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I'm writing you from the ADMIN account, hoping you will take what I'm asking much more seriously, being that the Admin will now go on record to ask what some of you have got to be thinking.
Crennel acted like the kid practically wasn't even here. Forced to give him a nod only after ownership and fans voiced in and/or as a last resort.
Mangini felt the same pressure upon taking the job, and when Anderson didn't woe anyone in preseason, Mangini felt like getting this ugly thing out of the way early and started Quinn in the opener.
Since then, to say that this kid has been stuck in the corner would assume that he is in the same room. I don't think the kid is even a part of the Cleveland Browns right now ... I know he ain't in the plans.
Kosar's comments this week cemented the thing. It sounds as if Kosar, after only a few days in the building, has already given up on the kid too.
WTF?
Is this kid that bad? I've never known him to be a poor attitude, but it sure seems that way. Look at his body language on the sideline, he might as well not even be dressed, he sure ain't on his headset listening to the plays and hearing, let alone providing any input. He's on a island ... he's a cast-off.
After 6 games is this kid done?
Quit with the whining about not getting an opportunity. You'd have to be a complete hot-headed jackass to not be in the mix here. He's not a hot-head, that we know of, so does that mean that not only is his attitude poor, does he flat out suck in practice? Is he that dumb in the class room, or what?
Mangini ain't stupid, he ain't going to just not play the kid if he could help.
Could Brady Quinn go down as the biggest bust in NFL history? And is he going to?
This ain't a BQ or DA thread, this is about BQ, WTF?
Did anyone even attempt to make a trade for him and his very managable contract?
He wasn't drafted high enough to be the biggest bust ever.
He may get the fewest starts for a 1st round QB pick, thats still to be seen. (I have no idea how many starts that would take)
Or... He may be a hall of famer. I wouldn't make a wager on that though.
He wasn't drafted high enough to be the biggest bust ever.
I agree with this.
However, in terms of being overhyped he's right up there.
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1. BQ hasnt even begun to have a chance, he was getting crap plays called for him with no receivers even lining up.
2. They wont start him till they know for sure he wont get his 70% snap bonus
3. He played 2 top ranked, and still top ranked defenses, DA played crap teams till last week...and we saw what happened there.
4. YEA DA BEAT THE BILLS....he completed 2 passes, our special teams beat the bills not DA.
5. I see BQ starting after the bye week...we shall see.
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Well, I did take you back off ignore, Lums. and thanks. I guess that proves you aren't Stan, because
Stan would have called me something nasty... LOL
I don't know where the bleep I ever got my idea that Da was in balt a year before Frye was drafted...
hmm. I can't blame that on the cold/flu I have, because I've only had it two days, and I've been
wrongie-wrongie about this for a long time. Hmm.
In any case, DA has the arm, and Frye had mobility, courage, smarts and better decisions.
The Browns need a qb who can do it all. And, whatever Quinn lacks, it's made him expendable, too.
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1. BQ hasnt even begun to have a chance, he was getting crap plays called for him with no receivers even lining up.
2. They wont start him till they know for sure he wont get his 70% snap bonus
3. He played 2 top ranked, and still top ranked defenses, DA played crap teams till last week...and we saw what happened there.
4. YEA DA BEAT THE BILLS....he completed 2 passes, our special teams beat the bills not DA.
5. I see BQ starting after the bye week...we shall see.
1. BQ hasnt even begun to have a chance, he was getting crap plays called for him with no receivers even lining up.
2. They wont start him till they know for sure he wont get his 70% snap bonus
3. He played 2 top ranked, and still top ranked defenses, DA played crap teams till last week...and we saw what happened there.
4. YEA DA BEAT THE BILLS....he completed 2 passes, our special teams beat the bills not DA.
5. I see BQ starting after the bye week...we shall see.
I've been thinking the same thing. Give him the reins after the bye week unless DA starts playing well, and we know that ain't going to happen.
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A gorilla could throw as hard as DA, and be more accurate and aware of how qb than DA.
I don't want to watch him play for the Browns anymore.
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You won't see this ADMIN account voice in on many controversial topics. Sure, my general population name of ATENEARS chimes in and stirs the pot all the time. Some have a problem differentiating, but that's their problem.
I'm writing you from the ADMIN account, hoping you will take what I'm asking much more seriously, being that the Admin will now go on record to ask what some of you have got to be thinking.
Crennel acted like the kid practically wasn't even here. Forced to give him a nod only after ownership and fans voiced in and/or as a last resort.
Mangini felt the same pressure upon taking the job, and when Anderson didn't woe anyone in preseason, Mangini felt like getting this ugly thing out of the way early and started Quinn in the opener.
Since then, to say that this kid has been stuck in the corner would assume that he is in the same room. I don't think the kid is even a part of the Cleveland Browns right now ... I know he ain't in the plans.
Kosar's comments this week cemented the thing. It sounds as if Kosar, after only a few days in the building, has already given up on the kid too.
WTF?
Is this kid that bad? I've never known him to be a poor attitude, but it sure seems that way. Look at his body language on the sideline, he might as well not even be dressed, he sure ain't on his headset listening to the plays and hearing, let alone providing any input. He's on a island ... he's a cast-off.
After 6 games is this kid done?
Quit with the whining about not getting an opportunity. You'd have to be a complete hot-headed jackass to not be in the mix here. He's not a hot-head, that we know of, so does that mean that not only is his attitude poor, does he flat out suck in practice? Is he that dumb in the class room, or what?
Mangini ain't stupid, he ain't going to just not play the kid if he could help.
Could Brady Quinn go down as the biggest bust in NFL history? And is he going to?
This ain't a BQ or DA thread, this is about BQ, WTF?
Did anyone even attempt to make a trade for him and his very managable contract?
Am I allowed to say that this is the most ignorant post from a DA apologist EVER? If I can say that without being banned, there it is, if not, please ignore.
The guy's played a handful of games, and as bad as he's played, since his first start he's been lights out compared to his now-starting and worst QB in the NFL teammate (I'd include all the non-starters in there as well). BQ's not playing because they don't want to blow the salary cap, that doesn't require a brain surgeon or even be an Oregon supporter to see.
But then this post goes on to say big bust EVER - well it must be true if EVER is in all CAPS. Never mind even looking at the same draft where a #1 is likely the biggest bust in a long time. The original post will be amusing to revisit when BQ plays on a non-disfunctional team.
To paraphrase Buckley - I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting that you believe what you just said. But if you do believe it ...
BQ's not playing because they don't want to blow the salary cap, that doesn't require a brain surgeon or even be an Oregon supporter to see.
If Quinn's not starting in 5-6 games, then you are completely wrong about him not playing because of the bonus.
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Biggest bust ever? naa, not hardly
Rick Mirer(sp) another domer,not sure he started more than a couple games
Cade McNoun, did he ever start a game ?
Rumor NO LINK
Rob Ryan went to Mangini ,told him that every D coordinator in the league knew how easy it was to defend against Brady, "we can't win with him in there."
Biggest bust ever? naa, not hardly
Rick Mirer(sp) another domer,not sure he started more than a couple games
Cade McNoun, did he ever start a game ?
Rumor NO LINK
Rob Ryan went to Mangini ,told him that every D coordinator in the league knew how easy it was to defend against Brady, "we can't win with him in there."
McNown, 15 starts.... Mirer, lots of starts (40-60)
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Tim Couch should be remembered as the number one bust in browns history. Lucky for him that Ryan Leaf made all the headlines and was a bigger flop in the NFL.
Couch had 11 more TDs and 31 less INT in his two full years at Kentucky than he had in his 5 year NFL career.
Ouch.
Considering he was supposed to be the browns savior and the next coming of Elway, he was much more of a bust.
Tim Couch should be remembered as the number one bust in browns history. Lucky for him that Ryan Leaf made all the headlines and was a bigger flop in the NFL.
Couch had 11 more TDs and 31 less INT in his two full years at Kentucky than he had in his 5 year NFL career.
Ouch.
Considering he was supposed to be the browns savior and the next coming of Elway, he was much more of a bust.
Nope, FOS- can't remember where I saw the link yesterday, but someone listed the all-time biggest NFL busts (any position) .
Coming in solidly @ #8 was the Browns Mike "Mad Dog in a Meatmarket" Junkin. Have to agree. I'll put Courtney Brown and Gerald Warren ahead of Couch in the lousy returns department.
And in the bad trade department, how's this one for a stinker- the Browns gave up a #1 pick to Buffalo for the rights to Tom Cousineau, who never amounted to more than a hill of beans in the NFL- that pick turned into Jim Kelly.
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I believe that history has shown that quarterbacks drafted in the same slot as queenie was have always failed.
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BQ's not playing because they don't want to blow the salary cap, that doesn't require a brain surgeon or even be an Oregon supporter to see.
If Quinn's not starting in 5-6 games, then you are completely wrong about him not playing because of the bonus.
If Quinn's not starting in 5-6 games, then you are completely wrong about him not playing because of the bonus.
Seeing how Quinn is still on the roster takes the bust lable off the table. As DA continues to play his way out of town, the backup QB sits in wait. The coach has already stated a basic lack of weapons has affected both QB's.
Sitting Quinn for the rest of the season is an unusual bizzare form of damage control, it would be nice to see him back in there after the rookies have gelled a bit.
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There has GOT to be a reason 2 head coaches are NOT useing Quinn. Mabey he is a waste. I don't see how you were ready to pull the plug on our head coach after 2 games but still demanded to see Quinn. I want to see us win and I don't think we can with the qb selection we have now!
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Am I allowed to say that this is the most ignorant post from a DA apologist EVER? If I can say that without being banned, there it is, if not, please ignore.
The guy's played a handful of games, and as bad as he's played, since his first start he's been lights out compared to his now-starting and worst QB in the NFL teammate (I'd include all the non-starters in there as well). BQ's not playing because they don't want to blow the salary cap, that doesn't require a brain surgeon or even be an Oregon supporter to see.
But then this post goes on to say big bust EVER - well it must be true if EVER is in all CAPS. Never mind even looking at the same draft where a #1 is likely the biggest bust in a long time. The original post will be amusing to revisit when BQ plays on a non-disfunctional team.
To paraphrase Buckley - I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting that you believe what you just said. But if you do believe it ...
So, what you are saying is that the Browns would rather use a second high dollar (1st round?) pick on a QB, or buy one off the expensive FA market in order to save on salary cap? How much do you think that would save them next season?
Let's say they draft a QB in the first round next season, one of the top-3 QB's to declare for the draft. How much would that save them in compared to $11-mil?
How about one of the top-3 FA QB's. How much would that gain them in talent and money?
How about a second tier QB in the draft. Would that be of greater or lesser quality than Brady Quinn? And how much money would they save?
I looked over your posts, and dating back to August not a single one has been about anything other than to slam DA and pimp Brady ... yet, here you are calling me a DA apologist.
Do you think Brady Quinn deserves the $11-mil? If you were the GM or Head Coach of the Browns, and weren't the one who gave BQ this contract, would you play him blindly without considering the money? You are not clear, am I just ignorant by not knowing that the Browns are only not playing him because of the money, but that he is actually good and of calibre near that kind of money but maybe just short of being worthy? Or are you saying I'm just dumb to realize he ain't playing because of the money, and it don't matter if he's bad, he isn't the biggest bust EVER?
Or did you just want to really post that I'm a DA apologist, and that's all you just really wanted to say?
So, what you are saying is that the Browns would rather use a second high dollar (1st round?) pick on a QB, or buy one off the expensive FA market in order to save on salary cap? How much do you think that would save them next season?
Let's say they draft a QB in the first round next season, one of the top-3 QB's to declare for the draft. How much would that save them in compared to $11-mil?
How about one of the top-3 FA QB's. How much would that gain them in talent and money?
How about a second tier QB in the draft. Would that be of greater or lesser quality than Brady Quinn? And how much money would they save?
I looked over your posts, and dating back to August not a single one has been about anything other than to slam DA and pimp Brady ... yet, here you are calling me a DA apologist.
Do you think Brady Quinn deserves the $11-mil? If you were the GM or Head Coach of the Browns, and weren't the one who gave BQ this contract, would you play him blindly without considering the money? You are not clear, am I just ignorant by not knowing that the Browns are only not playing him because of the money, but that he is actually good and of calibre near that kind of money but maybe just short of being worthy? Or are you saying I'm just dumb to realize he ain't playing because of the money, and it don't matter if he's bad, he isn't the biggest bust EVER?
Or did you just want to really post that I'm a DA apologist, and that's all you just really wanted to say?
My beef with the post is the ridiculous, baiting, title - it is not Admin-worthy. But it is consistent with the "let's put all the QB posts together when DA has a bad game" precedent.
I agree with most of the questions in your original post, and that the situation is bizarre. From the reports I've seen my theory is that since that BQ didn't play well in the first 2.5 games this year and it was clear we were going to be horrible since we have neither a running game nor receivers, that the organization wanted to save the bonus money and they pulled BQ. There are also the rumors (although denied by all involved) that there were words between BQ and the coaches (likely either shortly before or after the BE shoes episode). So now BQ has ticked off the coaches and I think he's sitting regardless of how DA plays (who may set a record for all time worst QB performance in the NFL by a player starting more than half the season).
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Zombo said:
It's his third year and he's firmly on the bench behind a guy that continues to have his struggles.Yes, he is a bust as far as the Cleveland Browns are concerned.
There is no other way to look at it.
Would love to have the draft picks back and just let Anderson play without the controversies the past two seasons.
Anderson may need replaced after this year, may not, but it is clear the Browns don't see Quinn as the guy.
Zombo
2 touchdown passes, 6 interception and 2 fumbles lost........You want this guy to play MORE? DA and BQ Suck ass.....Jake Locker please!
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You won't see this ADMIN account voice in on many controversial topics. Sure, my general population name of ATENEARS chimes in and stirs the pot all the time. Some have a problem differentiating, but that's their problem.
I'm writing you from the ADMIN account, hoping you will take what I'm asking much more seriously, being that the Admin will now go on record to ask what some of you have got to be thinking.
Crennel acted like the kid practically wasn't even here. Forced to give him a nod only after ownership and fans voiced in and/or as a last resort.
Mangini felt the same pressure upon taking the job, and when Anderson didn't woe anyone in preseason, Mangini felt like getting this ugly thing out of the way early and started Quinn in the opener.
Since then, to say that this kid has been stuck in the corner would assume that he is in the same room. I don't think the kid is even a part of the Cleveland Browns right now ... I know he ain't in the plans.
Kosar's comments this week cemented the thing. It sounds as if Kosar, after only a few days in the building, has already given up on the kid too.
WTF?
Is this kid that bad? I've never known him to be a poor attitude, but it sure seems that way. Look at his body language on the sideline, he might as well not even be dressed, he sure ain't on his headset listening to the plays and hearing, let alone providing any input. He's on a island ... he's a cast-off.
After 6 games is this kid done?
Quit with the whining about not getting an opportunity. You'd have to be a complete hot-headed jackass to not be in the mix here. He's not a hot-head, that we know of, so does that mean that not only is his attitude poor, does he flat out suck in practice? Is he that dumb in the class room, or what?
Mangini ain't stupid, he ain't going to just not play the kid if he could help.
Could Brady Quinn go down as the biggest bust in NFL history? And is he going to?
This ain't a BQ or DA thread, this is about BQ, WTF?
Did anyone even attempt to make a trade for him and his very managable contract?
You won't see this ADMIN account voice in on many controversial topics. Sure, my general population name of ATENEARS chimes in and stirs the pot all the time. Some have a problem differentiating, but that's their problem.
I'm writing you from the ADMIN account, hoping you will take what I'm asking much more seriously, being that the Admin will now go on record to ask what some of you have got to be thinking.
Crennel acted like the kid practically wasn't even here. Forced to give him a nod only after ownership and fans voiced in and/or as a last resort.
Mangini felt the same pressure upon taking the job, and when Anderson didn't woe anyone in preseason, Mangini felt like getting this ugly thing out of the way early and started Quinn in the opener.
Since then, to say that this kid has been stuck in the corner would assume that he is in the same room. I don't think the kid is even a part of the Cleveland Browns right now ... I know he ain't in the plans.
Kosar's comments this week cemented the thing. It sounds as if Kosar, after only a few days in the building, has already given up on the kid too.
WTF?
Is this kid that bad? I've never known him to be a poor attitude, but it sure seems that way. Look at his body language on the sideline, he might as well not even be dressed, he sure ain't on his headset listening to the plays and hearing, let alone providing any input. He's on a island ... he's a cast-off.
After 6 games is this kid done?
Quit with the whining about not getting an opportunity. You'd have to be a complete hot-headed jackass to not be in the mix here. He's not a hot-head, that we know of, so does that mean that not only is his attitude poor, does he flat out suck in practice? Is he that dumb in the class room, or what?
Mangini ain't stupid, he ain't going to just not play the kid if he could help.
Could Brady Quinn go down as the biggest bust in NFL history? And is he going to?
This ain't a BQ or DA thread, this is about BQ, WTF?
Did anyone even attempt to make a trade for him and his very managable contract?
Wow, you are even a bigger douche bag than i thought. It's no wonder people are leaving this forum. The admin is a DA fluffer and does nothing but make anti-Quinn posts.
2 1/2 games??? And he's looked better than DA.... that is a FACT you cannot deny.
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