Cap and Trade
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What a stupid analogy. It doesn't matter how much money it is, it's a money for nothin'. The climate and temp have gotten cooler over the last 6 years. I'm not taking sides here Heck, they already raped us, and they are doing it again. Stop taking sides and take off the blinders.
Two options.
Heck is right and the cost will be minimal..
That means there's no real impetus for changing anything.
Therefore it's just another excuse to grind away at the taxpayer.
Or
Heck is wrong and the costs are substantial.
Since there is no magic green energy the costs are passed onto John Q who is already on his second round of unemployment.
(well there's option three...
We all perish, starving or eaten by ferile domestic pets or displaced polar bears, on the tiny patches of 200+ degree desert earth not yet covered by floods from the melted icecaps.
but that'll be after 2016))WSS
Two options.
Heck is right and the cost will be minimal..
That means there's no real impetus for changing anything.
Therefore it's just another excuse to grind away at the taxpayer.
Or
Heck is wrong and the costs are substantial.
Since there is no magic green energy the costs are passed onto John Q who is already on his second round of unemployment.
(well there's option three...
We all perish, starving or eaten by ferile domestic pets or displaced polar bears, on the tiny patches of 200+ degree desert earth not yet covered by floods from the melted icecaps.
but that'll be after 2016))WSS
Dont worry Gore will write a new plan for the polar bear problem just the same.
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What did you expect him to have done or changed in the last ten months that he hasn't?
For one, not to send MORE troops to Afghanistan. And don't give me that shit about the Republicans are making him do it. He is ultimately the decision maker. And if that was the case, why isn't he backing down from the Republicans about health care.
Are you going to be saying "he needs more time" 3 years from now?
Siding with a "party" is childish. It's like 5th grade recess.
For one, not to send MORE troops to Afghanistan. And don't give me that shit about the Republicans are making him do it. He is ultimately the decision maker. And if that was the case, why isn't he backing down from the Republicans about health care.
Are you going to be saying "he needs more time" 3 years from now?
Siding with a "party" is childish. It's like 5th grade recess.
Well, for one thing, I don't agree with him on Afghanistan. But the point you keep bringing up is "change my ass" when, as I pointed out earlier, Obama openly vowed to send more troops to Afghanistan in the campaign. So did McCain. So it's not that he was being disingenuous. It was a campaign pledge that he followed through on - to change the Bush policy on Afghanistan.
And I've never said that Republicans are making him do it, so I don't know where you're getting that. Of course this is his decision.
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For one, not to send MORE troops to Afghanistan. And don't give me that shit about the Republicans are making him do it. He is ultimately the decision maker. And if that was the case, why isn't he backing down from the Republicans about health care.
Are you going to be saying "he needs more time" 3 years from now?
Siding with a "party" is childish. It's like 5th grade recess.
Well, for one thing, I don't agree with him on Afghanistan. But the point you keep bringing up is "change my ass" when, as I pointed out earlier, Obama openly vowed to send more troops to Afghanistan in the campaign. So did McCain. So it's not that he was being disingenuous. It was a campaign pledge that he followed through on - to change the Bush policy on Afghanistan.
And I've never said that Republicans are making him do it, so I don't know where you're getting that. Of course this is his decision.
Well, for one thing, I don't agree with him on Afghanistan. But the point you keep bringing up is "change my ass" when, as I pointed out earlier, Obama openly vowed to send more troops to Afghanistan in the campaign. So did McCain. So it's not that he was being disingenuous. It was a campaign pledge that he followed through on - to change the Bush policy on Afghanistan.
And I've never said that Republicans are making him do it, so I don't know where you're getting that. Of course this is his decision.
How is that change? He's changing America, just not in terms of war. I would say that's a pretty big aspect of life.
Check out my post on the cap and trade. I wasn't sure if you read the whole thing, I read the summary. And in the last line of the 80,000 page amendment...
Ta da.
The Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) to publish a strategic action plan to assist health professionals in preparing for and responding to the impacts of climate change;
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Well, Kosar, if you don't think global warming is real, then what do you want me to tell you?
But you should know that there has been no global cooling over the last six years. Saying so just means you can't read statistics, or know what a trend line is. There has only been a slowing of the increase in temperatures. The increase is still positive, and is expected to continue to rise. In fact, if you'd like to bet, I'll bet you $10,000 that the temperatures from the next decade will be warmer than the temps from the last decade. I'll even bet you that the temperatures for the next five years will be warmer than the last five.
For all the posturing from all the deniers I speak with, I can't get one of them to take me up on this bet. Maybe you'll be the first.
What you're doing - and what most global warming deniers are doing - is cherry picking the numbers, akin to saying that Derek Anderson is a great QB based on the one year he went to the Pro Bowl, and disregarding the rest of the years when he's been abysmal. You wouldn't do that, would you? Well, you're doing the same thing here.
And Steve can't do anything but oversimplify this stuff, so I wouldn't listen to him either. He doesn't know what's in the bill, no matter how many times he gets it explained to him. There are rebates for middle and lower income Americans to defray the cost of the program. The point is to change the behavior of producers, and to a lesser extent consumers. So the costs are significant for carbon-based energy producers, less so for consumers.
If you run a company that makes widgets and I put a price on the cost of producing widgets, you'll then pass that price on to the consumer. But if I then take some of that money I raised by taxing you and give it to the people who buy your widgets, the costs to your widget business is the same, but the cost to the widget buyer is less.
That's what the cap and trade bill does. It takes some of the money raised from attaching a price to carbon emissions and returns it to the consumer.
Steve has never understood this. You could explain it to him with puppets and he'd still not understand it because it's not an either/or. He simply can't grasp concepts more complicated than that. And I say this from years of experience listening to his crankery.
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Well, for one thing, I don't agree with him on Afghanistan. But the point you keep bringing up is "change my ass" when, as I pointed out earlier, Obama openly vowed to send more troops to Afghanistan in the campaign. So did McCain. So it's not that he was being disingenuous. It was a campaign pledge that he followed through on - to change the Bush policy on Afghanistan.
And I've never said that Republicans are making him do it, so I don't know where you're getting that. Of course this is his decision.
How is that change? He's changing America, just not in terms of war. I would say that's a pretty big aspect of life.
Check out my post on the cap and trade. I wasn't sure if you read the whole thing, I read the summary. And in the last line of the 80,000 page amendment...
Ta da.
The Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) to publish a strategic action plan to assist health professionals in preparing for and responding to the impacts of climate change;
How is that change? He's changing America, just not in terms of war. I would say that's a pretty big aspect of life.
Check out my post on the cap and trade. I wasn't sure if you read the whole thing, I read the summary. And in the last line of the 80,000 page amendment...
Ta da.
The Secretary of Health and Human Services (HHS) to publish a strategic action plan to assist health professionals in preparing for and responding to the impacts of climate change;
Yeah. That's a good idea. What's your point?
We're going to have some climate change. We can't stop it all. No one is suggesting we can. We're trying to mitigate it. So they're preparing for the impacts that we will have.
I know you think you've caught them being inconsistent here, but you haven't.
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"How is that change? He's changing America, just not in terms of war. I would say that's a pretty big aspect of life."
I don't know what you're getting at here.
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"How is that change? He's changing America, just not in terms of war. I would say that's a pretty big aspect of life."
I don't know what you're getting at here.
"How is that change? He's changing America, just not in terms of war. I would say that's a pretty big aspect of life."
I don't know what you're getting at here.
He's doing the same shit that Bush did.
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Really?
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"How is that change? He's changing America, just not in terms of war. I would say that's a pretty big aspect of life."
I don't know what you're getting at here.
He's doing the same shit that Bush did.
He's doing the same shit that Bush did.
I still don't know what you're talking about. What shit are you talking about?
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For one, not to send MORE troops to Afghanistan. And don't give me that shit about the Republicans are making him do it. He is ultimately the decision maker. And if that was the case, why isn't he backing down from the Republicans about health care.
Are you going to be saying "he needs more time" 3 years from now?
Siding with a "party" is childish. It's like 5th grade recess.
Well, for one thing, I don't agree with him on Afghanistan. But the point you keep bringing up is "change my ass" when, as I pointed out earlier, Obama openly vowed to send more troops to Afghanistan in the campaign. So did McCain. So it's not that he was being disingenuous. It was a campaign pledge that he followed through on - to change the Bush policy on Afghanistan.
And I've never said that Republicans are making him do it, so I don't know where you're getting that. Of course this is his decision.
Well, for one thing, I don't agree with him on Afghanistan.
Of course in politics one must always advocate the opposite policy to one's opponent but.....
Since he did make that a key camaign issue what would you want him to do now Heck?
WSS
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Well, Cheney says the Obama admin asked for an
overview of their plan for Afghanistan.
So, Cheney and Bush and staff gave it to them in a meeting.
The Obama admin asked that they keep it quiet. So,
Cheney says they complied to keep it out of politics.
And what Obama has been doing, sure looks like exactly
what Bush and Cheney and co. GAVE THEM.
Iow, the Obama admin has no clue, except for their socialist agenda.
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Well, for one thing, I don't agree with him on Afghanistan.
Of course in politics one must always advocate the opposite policy to one's opponent but.....
Since he did make that a key camaign issue what would you want him to do now Heck?
WSS
Of course in politics one must always advocate the opposite policy to one's opponent but.....
Since he did make that a key camaign issue what would you want him to do now Heck?
WSS
Honestly, I have no specific idea. 99.5% of the people publicly commenting on this don't either. I don't know what's going on on the ground in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I just have a general sense that the goals we want to accomplish need more than 40,000, or even 80,000 troops. I don't think that place is worth the costs, and I don't buy the "safe haven" argument to begin with. They don't need a country to plan this stuff. They need a room or a cave or an apartment in Germany.
So I'm all for keeping up the drone or special forces attacks and some troop level to maintain the intelligence capability to carry out those type of attacks.
Not that this is a good option either. It's just less bad, and from our point of view only.
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Of course in politics one must always advocate the opposite policy to one's opponent but.....
Since he did make that a key camaign issue what would you want him to do now Heck?
WSS
Honestly, I have no specific idea. 99.5% of the people publicly commenting on this don't either. I don't know what's going on on the ground in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I just have a general sense that the goals we want to accomplish need more than 40,000, or even 80,000 troops. I don't think that place is worth the costs, and I don't buy the "safe haven" argument to begin with. They don't need a country to plan this stuff. They need a room or a cave or an apartment in Germany.
So I'm all for keeping up the drone or special forces attacks and some troop level to maintain the intelligence capability to carry out those type of attacks.
Not that this is a good option either. It's just less bad, and from our point of view only.
Honestly, I have no specific idea. 99.5% of the people publicly commenting on this don't either. I don't know what's going on on the ground in Afghanistan/Pakistan. I just have a general sense that the goals we want to accomplish need more than 40,000, or even 80,000 troops. I don't think that place is worth the costs, and I don't buy the "safe haven" argument to begin with. They don't need a country to plan this stuff. They need a room or a cave or an apartment in Germany.
So I'm all for keeping up the drone or special forces attacks and some troop level to maintain the intelligence capability to carry out those type of attacks.
Not that this is a good option either. It's just less bad, and from our point of view only.
Can't really argue with that.
How badly do you think we've been painted into a corner?
WSS
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I prefer to leave it to the Commanders on the ground. They know what they need. Obama promised Afganistan would be a priority. I doubt he will keep his word. He seems like a poll junkie to me. Lets just let Al Queda open up their training camps again and have some more terror attacks here. Then we can jump on the fuking merry go round and watch the shit happen over and over again. Americans main problem is that we have short memories and no patience. We want everything to happen now. That is a defeatist attitude when dealing with an enemy. If you think a few thousand special forces can cover an entire mountainous country like Afganistan, you are seriously mistaken.
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I prefer to leave it to the Commanders on the ground. They know what they need. Obama promised Afganistan would be a priority. I doubt he will keep his word. He seems like a poll junkie to me. Lets just let Al Queda open up their training camps again and have some more terror attacks here. Then we can jump on the fuking merry go round and watch the shit happen over and over again. Americans main problem is that we have short memories and no patience. We want everything to happen now. That is a defeatist attitude when dealing with an enemy. If you think a few thousand special forces can cover an entire mountainous country like Afganistan, you are seriously mistaken.
I prefer to leave it to the Commanders on the ground. They know what they need. Obama promised Afganistan would be a priority. I doubt he will keep his word. He seems like a poll junkie to me. Lets just let Al Queda open up their training camps again and have some more terror attacks here. Then we can jump on the fuking merry go round and watch the shit happen over and over again. Americans main problem is that we have short memories and no patience. We want everything to happen now. That is a defeatist attitude when dealing with an enemy. If you think a few thousand special forces can cover an entire mountainous country like Afganistan, you are seriously mistaken.
Its a joke. We haven't done shit to help, other then the flourishing heroin trade. Do you think it's a coincidence that 90% of the world's opium supply comes out of Afghanistan and our military is there?
"Our objective are to fight and catch terrorists". Still Waiting.........
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I prefer to leave it to the Commanders on the ground. They know what they need. Obama promised Afganistan would be a priority. I doubt he will keep his word. He seems like a poll junkie to me. Lets just let Al Queda open up their training camps again and have some more terror attacks here. Then we can jump on the fuking merry go round and watch the shit happen over and over again. Americans main problem is that we have short memories and no patience. We want everything to happen now. That is a defeatist attitude when dealing with an enemy. If you think a few thousand special forces can cover an entire mountainous country like Afganistan, you are seriously mistaken.
Its a joke. We haven't done shit to help, other then the flourishing heroin trade. Do you think it's a coincidence that 90% of the world's opium supply comes out of Afghanistan and our military is there?
"Our objective are to fight and catch terrorists". Still Waiting.........
Its a joke. We haven't done shit to help, other then the flourishing heroin trade. Do you think it's a coincidence that 90% of the world's opium supply comes out of Afghanistan and our military is there?
"Our objective are to fight and catch terrorists". Still Waiting.........
I know our military has nothing to do with the heroin trade if that is what you're suggesting. Bush fuked up in Afganistan. We have to take out Al Queda. If you think it's a fantasy, go on believing so. I know better.
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Its a joke. We haven't done shit to help, other then the flourishing heroin trade. Do you think it's a coincidence that 90% of the world's opium supply comes out of Afghanistan and our military is there?
"Our objective are to fight and catch terrorists". Still Waiting.........
I know our military has nothing to do with the heroin trade if that is what you're suggesting. Bush fuked up in Afganistan. We have to take out Al Queda. If you think it's a fantasy, go on believing so. I know better.
I know our military has nothing to do with the heroin trade if that is what you're suggesting. Bush fuked up in Afganistan. We have to take out Al Queda. If you think it's a fantasy, go on believing so. I know better.
My brother's there man. Medic for the Marines.
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I know our military has nothing to do with the heroin trade if that is what you're suggesting. Bush fuked up in Afganistan. We have to take out Al Queda. If you think it's a fantasy, go on believing so. I know better.
My brother's there man. Medic for the Marines.
My brother's there man. Medic for the Marines.
So he is a Navy Corpsman. Look, I know there are all sorts of theories, and I damn sure am not in a position to know what the truth is on all this shit. I just hope to god what I think is going on is the right thing, and not some master diabolical plot. And being retired Navy I wish your brother god speed and a safe trip home.
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