Is Brady Quinn the Biggest Bust EVER?
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So, what you are saying is that the Browns would rather use a second high dollar (1st round?) pick on a QB, or buy one off the expensive FA market in order to save on salary cap? How much do you think that would save them next season?
Let's say they draft a QB in the first round next season, one of the top-3 QB's to declare for the draft. How much would that save them in compared to $11-mil?
How about one of the top-3 FA QB's. How much would that gain them in talent and money?
How about a second tier QB in the draft. Would that be of greater or lesser quality than Brady Quinn? And how much money would they save?
I looked over your posts, and dating back to August not a single one has been about anything other than to slam DA and pimp Brady ... yet, here you are calling me a DA apologist.
Do you think Brady Quinn deserves the $11-mil? If you were the GM or Head Coach of the Browns, and weren't the one who gave BQ this contract, would you play him blindly without considering the money? You are not clear, am I just ignorant by not knowing that the Browns are only not playing him because of the money, but that he is actually good and of calibre near that kind of money but maybe just short of being worthy? Or are you saying I'm just dumb to realize he ain't playing because of the money, and it don't matter if he's bad, he isn't the biggest bust EVER?
Or did you just want to really post that I'm a DA apologist, and that's all you just really wanted to say?
My beef with the post is the ridiculous, baiting, title - it is not Admin-worthy. But it is consistent with the "let's put all the QB posts together when DA has a bad game" precedent.
I agree with most of the questions in your original post, and that the situation is bizarre. From the reports I've seen my theory is that since that BQ didn't play well in the first 2.5 games this year and it was clear we were going to be horrible since we have neither a running game nor receivers, that the organization wanted to save the bonus money and they pulled BQ. There are also the rumors (although denied by all involved) that there were words between BQ and the coaches (likely either shortly before or after the BE shoes episode). So now BQ has ticked off the coaches and I think he's sitting regardless of how DA plays (who may set a record for all time worst QB performance in the NFL by a player starting more than half the season).
My beef with the post is the ridiculous, baiting, title - it is not Admin-worthy. But it is consistent with the "let's put all the QB posts together when DA has a bad game" precedent.
I agree with most of the questions in your original post, and that the situation is bizarre. From the reports I've seen my theory is that since that BQ didn't play well in the first 2.5 games this year and it was clear we were going to be horrible since we have neither a running game nor receivers, that the organization wanted to save the bonus money and they pulled BQ. There are also the rumors (although denied by all involved) that there were words between BQ and the coaches (likely either shortly before or after the BE shoes episode). So now BQ has ticked off the coaches and I think he's sitting regardless of how DA plays (who may set a record for all time worst QB performance in the NFL by a player starting more than half the season).
Thanks for your replies. I agree with your bottom paragragh. As far as the title, yeah not so good, but I over analzye everything ... it's who I am, and what you should come to expect. That ain't necessarily a bad thing or one to sling mud, and glad you didn't but can understand you checking me at the door.
This team is just really devoid of news-worthy stories right now. I bring up BQ because of the trade deadline coming and passing.
We've gone from staph to flu now apparently at the Berea facility. I was feeling good that some of our strengths are in the area's of the Packers weaknesses, but now with DQ out and the flu bug ... it's all ugly again.
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Tim Couch should be remembered as the number one bust in browns history. Lucky for him that Ryan Leaf made all the headlines and was a bigger flop in the NFL.
Couch had 11 more TDs and 31 less INT in his two full years at Kentucky than he had in his 5 year NFL career.
Ouch.
Considering he was supposed to be the browns savior and the next coming of Elway, he was much more of a bust.
Nope, FOS- can't remember where I saw the link yesterday, but someone listed the all-time biggest NFL busts (any position) .
Coming in solidly @ #8 was the Browns Mike "Mad Dog in a Meatmarket" Junkin. Have to agree. I'll put Courtney Brown and Gerald Warren ahead of Couch in the lousy returns department.
And in the bad trade department, how's this one for a stinker- the Browns gave up a #1 pick to Buffalo for the rights to Tom Cousineau, who never amounted to more than a hill of beans in the NFL- that pick turned into Jim Kelly.
Nope, FOS- can't remember where I saw the link yesterday, but someone listed the all-time biggest NFL busts (any position) .
Coming in solidly @ #8 was the Browns Mike "Mad Dog in a Meatmarket" Junkin. Have to agree. I'll put Courtney Brown and Gerald Warren ahead of Couch in the lousy returns department.
Larry, that's only because you pimped Couch for two years while the Browns were on hiatus
And in the bad trade department, how's this one for a stinker- the Browns gave up a #1 pick to Buffalo for the rights to Tom Cousineau, who never amounted to more than a hill of beans in the NFL- that pick turned into Jim Kelly.
I agree and always felt that the trade put the Bills in several SBs and kept the Browns from achieving the same.
In fact, the Browns were instrumental in the building of the Bills. Remember what the team gave up for the rights to BK? Coupled with the Cousineau deal, the Bills might just have ended up with Kelly and Thermal Thomas +++.
Hind sight is 20-20.
PS Remember Keith Baldwin - the best 'pure' pass rusher in the draft??????????????????????????????
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Ryan Leaf has the market cornered on biggest bust ever. No way to be sure Quinn is a bust until his career is over.
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Zombo said:
It's his third year and he's firmly on the bench behind a guy that continues to have his struggles.Yes, he is a bust as far as the Cleveland Browns are concerned.
There is no other way to look at it.
Would love to have the draft picks back and just let Anderson play without the controversies the past two seasons.
Anderson may need replaced after this year, may not, but it is clear the Browns don't see Quinn as the guy.
Zombo
2 touchdown passes, 6 interception and 2 fumbles lost........You want this guy to play MORE? DA and BQ Suck ass.....Jake Locker please!
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BQ has not looked better than DA, That is a fact (well unless you talking about in a bathing suit).
But he is not the biggest bust ever. Not even close. He was not the number one pick of the draft of even a top 10 pick. If a 22nd pick is a bust it will never be considered the biggest bust ever.
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FYI John Beck was picked in the 2nd round not too long after Quinn. Beck started 4 games and is now out of football.
You should research before you type. He is playing for the Rats.
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Put BQ in and watch him suck it up to prove he aint it once and for all!!!
That is what Mangini should have done all along. He should have been given the season or at least a major portion of it.
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If Quinn's not starting in 5-6 games, then you are completely wrong about him not playing because of the bonus.
Seeing how Quinn is still on the roster takes the bust lable off the table. As DA continues to play his way out of town, the backup QB sits in wait. The coach has already stated a basic lack of weapons has affected both QB's.
Sitting Quinn for the rest of the season is an unusual bizzare form of damage control, it would be nice to see him back in there after the rookies have gelled a bit.
Seeing how Quinn is still on the roster takes the bust lable off the table. As DA continues to play his way out of town, the backup QB sits in wait. The coach has already stated a basic lack of weapons has affected both QB's.
Sitting Quinn for the rest of the season is an unusual bizzare form of damage control, it would be nice to see him back in there after the rookies have gelled a bit.
And you very well could be right.
I may very well have become clear to the staff we didn't stand a chance offensively and rather than wreck Quinn, they decided to sacrifice DA for the remainder of the season.
I haven't ruled that out, though I do think BQ needs to check his attitude. Right now it doesn't seem like he is a team player. If this is a part of Mangini's evaluation, and it could be, BQ isn't passing at this point.
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Seeing how Quinn is still on the roster takes the bust lable off the table. As DA continues to play his way out of town, the backup QB sits in wait. The coach has already stated a basic lack of weapons has affected both QB's.
Sitting Quinn for the rest of the season is an unusual bizzare form of damage control, it would be nice to see him back in there after the rookies have gelled a bit.
And you very well could be right.
I may very well have become clear to the staff we didn't stand a chance offensively and rather than wreck Quinn, they decided to sacrifice DA for the remainder of the season.
I haven't ruled that out, though I do think BQ needs to check his attitude. Right now it doesn't seem like he is a team player. If this is a part of Mangini's evaluation, and it could be, BQ isn't passing at this point.
I agree with most of the questions in your original post, and that the situation is bizarre. From the reports I've seen my theory is that since that BQ didn't play well in the first 2.5 games this year and it was clear we were going to be horrible since we have neither a running game nor receivers, that the organization wanted to save the bonus money and they pulled BQ.
This seems plausible. Few seem to mention it, but isn't DA's salary next year just as much of an issue as BQ's this year? If I recall DA makes a lot of money next year, so Mangini may be evaluating DA (although we've suffered a lot watching DA, this is Mangini's first year with him). IOW, it may not just be about BQ's contract, but also whether to cut bait with DA after this year.
I may very well have become clear to the staff we didn't stand a chance offensively and rather than wreck Quinn, they decided to sacrifice DA for the remainder of the season.
Possibly, although you'd think if this were the case we'd be hearing more conciliatory comments about BQ. "We want to bring him along slowly," etc. Instead, he was just gone, which leads me to believe there were other factors at work.
Right or wrong, I'm guessing that Mangini is pretty certain that the starter he wants is not on this team now.
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Tim Couch should be remembered as the number one bust in browns history. Lucky for him that Ryan Leaf made all the headlines and was a bigger flop in the NFL.
Couch had 11 more TDs and 31 less INT in his two full years at Kentucky than he had in his 5 year NFL career.
Ouch.
Considering he was supposed to be the browns savior and the next coming of Elway, he was much more of a bust.
Tim Couch should be remembered as the number one bust in browns history. Lucky for him that Ryan Leaf made all the headlines and was a bigger flop in the NFL.
Couch had 11 more TDs and 31 less INT in his two full years at Kentucky than he had in his 5 year NFL career.
Ouch.
Considering he was supposed to be the browns savior and the next coming of Elway, he was much more of a bust.
One of,
if not the best game Couch had while a Brown was against the Steelers. Also, he did not have much of a line to protect him. -
Tim Couch should be remembered as the number one bust in browns history. Lucky for him that Ryan Leaf made all the headlines and was a bigger flop in the NFL.
Couch had 11 more TDs and 31 less INT in his two full years at Kentucky than he had in his 5 year NFL career.
Ouch.
Considering he was supposed to be the browns savior and the next coming of Elway, he was much more of a bust.
One of,
if not the best game Couch had while a Brown was against the Steelers. Also, he did not have much of a line to protect him. One of,
if not the best game Couch had while a Brown was against the Steelers. Also, he did not have much of a line to protect him. Yep. No doubt.
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Fortunately for DA he had no real draft ranking to be a bust.. He is just... a bust period. but not a draft bust. not sure that makes me feel any better about him.. He sucks.. I still like Quinn better any day of the week. You will not convince me Quinn is a bust until he gets to play at least 10 consecutive games or more.. Otherwise the verdict is still out.. He may be a bust.. but right now it's because of the coaches not him.
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What's this other forum/board people are talking about moving too?
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What's this other forum/board people are talking about moving too?
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Chickenwang said:
What's this other forum/board people are talking about moving too?Browns revolution.. I was just there and there was not a single member signed in.. There literally is nothing going on there. Your not missing a thing.
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Seeing how Quinn is still on the roster takes the bust lable off the table. As DA continues to play his way out of town, the backup QB sits in wait. The coach has already stated a basic lack of weapons has affected both QB's.
Sitting Quinn for the rest of the season is an unusual bizzare form of damage control, it would be nice to see him back in there after the rookies have gelled a bit.
And you very well could be right.
I may very well have become clear to the staff we didn't stand a chance offensively and rather than wreck Quinn, they decided to sacrifice DA for the remainder of the season.
I haven't ruled that out, though I do think BQ needs to check his attitude. Right now it doesn't seem like he is a team player. If this is a part of Mangini's evaluation, and it could be, BQ isn't passing at this point.
And you very well could be right.
I may very well have become clear to the staff we didn't stand a chance offensively and rather than wreck Quinn, they decided to sacrifice DA for the remainder of the season.
I haven't ruled that out, though I do think BQ needs to check his attitude. Right now it doesn't seem like he is a team player. If this is a part of Mangini's evaluation, and it could be, BQ isn't passing at this point.
As of late, i don;t beleive anythintg until game time. Too much manuevering off the feild, getting tired of it.
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Chickenwang said:
I need to get out of this DA lovin' infested boardAddition by subtraction.
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