Something Strange Is Happening
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I don't want to sound like a dick, but I really don't understand the Mangini hate and the expectations here.
We got rid of head cases Winslow and Edwards, were you guys expecting a Pro Bowl TE & WR in exchange for two malcontents? Edwards was gone after this season anyway and Winslow doesn't even practice between games because his knees were so shot. Those were our "SUPER STARS" that Mangini inherited.
Most will admit that adding a QB to a shit team will just get the guy killed. Solidifying the O-line first is the right step. Adding Mack next to Steinbach & Thomas was a good fit.
We'll need receivers, and we have two rookies gaining experience at the position right now, and into a quarter way through this season.
I think Mangini is honestly trying to use Cribbs, without gassing him and diminishing the one thing we know the guy does best and that's his Special Team contribution.
Brady Quinn is helping us more by not playing him than playing him, with incentives kicking in making him un-tradable and unaffordable. Mangini and the current staff aren't responsible for these contracts that are remaining. Does anyone honestly feel that Quinn has just been sub-par in three years of meetings, QB camps, practices, preseason games and his first 5 games, but then is gonna take the league by storm with another chance? Have you EVER seen a QB who resembles a body-builder EVER take over this league ... any team?
On the defensive side of the ball, I think he under-estimated how bad the talent was here. But you can't fix everything in one season.
This Draft we have 11 picks that we can't get through this first year growing pain fast enough to get to.
Is the next coach that comes in going to take what we have here and reach the playoffs with them? Will he do better with the 11 draft picks than what Mangini will do? Or will he be another Crennel and not even play the draft picks?
We will see Quinn again, we will hopefully see the young receivers grow. Mack is getting gelled with the line. Cribbs will get a contract that fits both the team and himself. Next season we will add some defensive play makers and new blood at QB & RB.
You gotta believe we are working on things offensively, such as teaching the receivers how to read coverage and adjust on the fly, and we are basically bringing along two QB's in this department too, plus a new OC. This shit don't just come together over night. Set-backs are expected, bright spots should emerge. Ya gotta watch the second half of the season unfold, hoping we can stay healthy and learn to play through an entire season.
I'm just not sure what else Mangini can do, his pieces aren't on roster yet and he's trying to gain those pieces who he believes may be here for at the least the next three years, some experience.
This Mangini bashing is so similar to the Belichick bashing that took place here in the early 90's that it is mind-boggling that the local media and fans learned nothing from that fiasco. Let's face it guys, we no nothing about modern NFL coaching, or QB play .... nothing.
I don't want to sound like a dick, but I really don't understand the Mangini hate and the expectations here.
We got rid of head cases Winslow and Edwards, were you guys expecting a Pro Bowl TE & WR in exchange for two malcontents? Edwards was gone after this season anyway and Winslow doesn't even practice between games because his knees were so shot. Those were our "SUPER STARS" that Mangini inherited.
Most will admit that adding a QB to a shit team will just get the guy killed. Solidifying the O-line first is the right step. Adding Mack next to Steinbach & Thomas was a good fit.
We'll need receivers, and we have two rookies gaining experience at the position right now, and into a quarter way through this season.
I think Mangini is honestly trying to use Cribbs, without gassing him and diminishing the one thing we know the guy does best and that's his Special Team contribution.
Brady Quinn is helping us more by not playing him than playing him, with incentives kicking in making him un-tradable and unaffordable. Mangini and the current staff aren't responsible for these contracts that are remaining. Does anyone honestly feel that Quinn has just been sub-par in three years of meetings, QB camps, practices, preseason games and his first 5 games, but then is gonna take the league by storm with another chance? Have you EVER seen a QB who resembles a body-builder EVER take over this league ... any team?
On the defensive side of the ball, I think he under-estimated how bad the talent was here. But you can't fix everything in one season.
This Draft we have 11 picks that we can't get through this first year growing pain fast enough to get to.
Is the next coach that comes in going to take what we have here and reach the playoffs with them? Will he do better with the 11 draft picks than what Mangini will do? Or will he be another Crennel and not even play the draft picks?
We will see Quinn again, we will hopefully see the young receivers grow. Mack is getting gelled with the line. Cribbs will get a contract that fits both the team and himself. Next season we will add some defensive play makers and new blood at QB & RB.
You gotta believe we are working on things offensively, such as teaching the receivers how to read coverage and adjust on the fly, and we are basically bringing along two QB's in this department too, plus a new OC. This shit don't just come together over night. Set-backs are expected, bright spots should emerge. Ya gotta watch the second half of the season unfold, hoping we can stay healthy and learn to play through an entire season.
I'm just not sure what else Mangini can do, his pieces aren't on roster yet and he's trying to gain those pieces who he believes may be here for at the least the next three years, some experience.
This Mangini bashing is so similar to the Belichick bashing that took place here in the early 90's that it is mind-boggling that the local media and fans learned nothing from that fiasco. Let's face it guys, we no nothing about modern NFL coaching, or QB play .... nothing.
I missed the Mangini bashing in this thread. Personally, I'm not ready to give up on Mangini. Just because every idiot who writes an article or gets behind a microphone has jumped on the "Mangini sucks!" bandwagon, doesn't mean crap to me. Anyone who is bitching about Quinn not getting a fair chance, and wants to fire Mangini is a hypocrite. I would give Mangini 2 full seasons to do something positive. If we are 3 - 13 after the 2010 season.....let's fire his ass.
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I don't want to sound like a dick, but I really don't understand the Mangini hate and the expectations here.
My only frustration is that I expected to see an occasional spark that would indicate there's some learning going on, and general gradual improvement. I've seen neither. After the first game of the season, I was asked how many games I thought the Browns would win this year. I said, "none." I was serious. So my expectations were extremely low and I've not been particularly surprised by the miserable showing.
My only frustration is that I expected to see an occasional spark that would indicate there's some learning going on, and general gradual improvement. I've seen neither. After the first game of the season, I was asked how many games I thought the Browns would win this year. I said, "none." I was serious. So my expectations were extremely low and I've not been particularly surprised by the miserable showing.
We've exceeded your expectations ... we doubled Buffalo's score in that beat-down.
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Zombo said:
I can't imagine anyone ever thinking that ...Zombo
--But it is better than sounding like a vagina.
Oh, you mean like when someone whines, "It's too cold to go to a football game in early December"
(best read while pinching nose and talking in squeaky voice)
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Is it just me, or would anyone else at least feel better about the season if they went ahead and gave Cribbs the contract he deserves....
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No matter how much apathy i develop towards the Browns the hatred i have towards the Ravens will never go down. Am i evil ?
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No matter how much apathy i develop towards the Browns the hatred i have towards the Ravens will never go down. Am i evil ?
No matter how much apathy i develop towards the Browns the hatred i have towards the Ravens will never go down. Am i evil ?
Yes. And we love you for it!
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The key for Mangini will be this years draft and free agent period.
who wants to come here? agents are telling their clients not to sign with us. how well do you expect us to do in free agency? we are a bad team who is cheap to boot. we may not get a single signing from someone who will start.
who wants to come here? agents are telling their clients not to sign with us. how well do you expect us to do in free agency? we are a bad team who is cheap to boot. we may not get a single signing from someone who will start.
So we have been told, but I agree to an extent....Cleveland has never been the garden spot on every free agents list of places they would like to play....since FA became a part of the game, Cleveland has always pretty much sucked, and the weather always has.
In the end, if the money is right and the opportunity is there, players will come here.
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Is it just me, or would anyone else at least feel better about the season if they went ahead and gave Cribbs the contract he deserves....
Is it just me, or would anyone else at least feel better about the season if they went ahead and gave Cribbs the contract he deserves....
why would they want to give us something to cheer about?
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Players like Terrel Owens, etc,
want to be in the big city limelight. That will always happen a lot...
it's the Yankees syndrome.
But, the players who love the GAME, and respect the coach and the history,
will come here.
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Is it just me, or would anyone else at least feel better about the season if they went ahead and gave Cribbs the contract he deserves....
Is it just me, or would anyone else at least feel better about the season if they went ahead and gave Cribbs the contract he deserves....
I'm mixed on this subject. Of all the dumb contracts we have structured this decade where the browns come out on the losing end often, this is one contract that was done well and favorable to the team/franchise ... yet it brings the team/franchise the most heat.
Cribbs was an undrafted free agent. I remember raising an eye-brow at the signing of the running QB from lowly Kent State, especially considering that he would become teammates with Frye, his across town college rival.
Finding a roster spot as a kick returner made Cribbs world. The kid was thrilled that the Browns showed interest in him and he made the team. He re-paid them with great effort and ability. They re-paid him and thrilled him beyond belief inking him to a longterm deal.
Now, this same deal is a blackeye, shortly into it's longness.
I'm still on the Browns side on this one. I believe they will pay him more to keep him happy, but I can understand Mangini not approving the upgrade until they could adequately find some other area he could contribute in besides returning kicks & punts. This is still undetermined, as should the bottomline of the upgraded contract should be.
Waiting to figure this out instead of paying him like Hester and asuming he would contribute offensively is one of the Browns better decisions of the new era.
He hasn't exactly been even decent as a WR (fumbled just last Sunday), we really don't have the personnel to compliment him in the WildDawg, he ain't going to play QB, he obviously didn't work out at Safety ... he's still a P/K returner with an asterisk ... an undrafted P/K returner with an asterisk.
Our best player? But what does that say/mean?
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Cribbs had just recieved a new very lucrative contract. he has don NOTHING to show he deserves more than the NICE contract he just recieved..Just another greedy nfl player who is jealous of the money someone else is making. If he did not like the NEW contract he just got..then he should not have signed it...he has no one to blame but himself..Shut up and play.
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@ peen "To me, the real skill players are the linemen...I bet Joe Thomas would be a better runner than AP would be a LT."
What??/
Anyway to the original poster D bone...I'm 41 and I tell you I lived in Cleveland 34 years, then moved to socal for two years and since been in Austin TX....last year was the first year I didn't buy the NFL ticket on Dtv....but went to a bar to watch every sunday or listened to it on the internet...this year? haven't even tried hard to find it on the internet or wasted $ to go watch it at a bar...and really? It isn't that bothersome. for the first time in my life I absolutely hate that we are again the laughing stock....I'll wear my Browns hat and people literally laugh at me....don't really care because it is a testament.... but they only thing we are considered.... is a joke! Just horrible football year in and year out....apathy does set in and really hard to comeback from....this coach is the antithesis of someone who motivates and instills trust in his players or the fans, who wants to run through a wall for a coach like this? NOBODY! he want to be diligent and deliberate and analyze....those words don't belong on a football field....Attack, swarm, "to quote LT go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs....I watch this team and can't find one player out there excited to play(save Cribbs)....I don't see ANYONE on D or O that is excited....I see a bunch padded guys going through the motions...deliberately, diligently and thinking rather than attacking....not the football I can even watch...it is beyond horrible....Texas High school football is more fun to watch.....don't even get me started with the Fking dumbass GM and draft strat of this crew(which means we get nothing but worse) i went without football from 96-99 and didn't watch it at all....(pro)....It 's getting to the point of pro basketball for me...unwatchable overpaid no respecting assholes...i just don't watch!
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Players like Terrel Owens, etc,
want to be in the big city limelight. That will always happen a lot...
it's the Yankees syndrome.
But, the players who love the GAME, and respect the coach and the history,
will come here.
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He grew up a bit, because
San Francisco 49ers. Owens then signed a large free agent contract with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2004. Two years later, he was released and signed to another large pact by the Dallas Cowboys, only to be given his unconditional release on March 4, 2009[2] and signed by the Bills several days later.
he wore out his welcome in Philly and Dallas, I assume the New York teams wouldn't pick him up or something.
But he's all about attention and limelight, and that doesn't shine brightly in Cleveland.
He'll live with it in Buffalo, desperate enough to take a chance on him.
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What it is ain't exactly clear.
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Honestly, now I just watch the games with emotional detachment. I laugh my ass off when something bad happens not because I want them to play poorly but what sense does it make to get frustrated anymore? When this team shows it is good enough for me to get frustrated when they play poorly, I'll go back to being a traditional fan. For now, I'll just laugh at the comedy of errors that is the Cleveland Browns.
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D Bone, I know right where you're coming from. For me, they're like a drug I can't kick. As much as I try, I can't totally break free. If I don't watch, I listen. If I can't listen, I find every way to get an update.
I think one of the things that makes me keep the faith is knowing that as soon as I throw in the towel, they'll turn it around. That I am certain of. There's another team with a fanbase of complete bandwagon jumpers out there that makes me sick and if I jumped back on when the turnaround came, I'd be no better than them.
Just hang in there brother. The law of averages has GOT to win out at some point, right?
BTW, is that Jennie Finch? Smokin!
D Bone, I know right where you're coming from. For me, they're like a drug I can't kick. As much as I try, I can't totally break free. If I don't watch, I listen. If I can't listen, I find every way to get an update.
I think one of the things that makes me keep the faith is knowing that as soon as I throw in the towel, they'll turn it around. That I am certain of. There's another team with a fanbase of complete bandwagon jumpers out there that makes me sick and if I jumped back on when the turnaround came, I'd be no better than them.
Just hang in there brother. The law of averages has GOT to win out at some point, right?
BTW, is that Jennie Finch? Smokin!
lol!!! No, that's not Jennie, that's my freshman daughter who plays for her varsity team..............She LOVED your comment!!
JosephSixpack said:
I know where you're comin' from, D Bone. There was this 3-game stretch in the '80s when the Steelers really stunk, and during such a long time, your faith really gets put to the test. Fortunately the fire returned and I was back shortly after yellin' louder than ever... keep the faith bud.That has to be one of the funniest things I've read!!
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