Hines Ward NFL's Dirtiest Player- So say his peers
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Unnecessary Roughness is more or less a judgement call. The big stuff, yeah, that will always get called. But there is no set rule for grabbing someone's genitals. Believe me, I've gone over this with officials. I was forced to block a NT two years ago that was probably the dirtiest player you'll ever meet. He would spit in my face before I snapped the ball, gouge my eyes in piles, would try to break my fingers in a pile. throw dirt in my face on almost every play at the snap, he purposely did not cut his fingernails so they were like claws, and would grab my balls mercilessly. So our line coach got into a friendly conversation with the official, and was kicked out of the game. After the game, the HL, the referee, and the backfield judge all basically said "There is no rule against grabbing your nuts. It's a judgement call and we feel it didn't warrant a flag". I'm not saying Ward doesn't want to win. He's got tremendous passion, and he is definitely a future HOF. He's still a dirty player. He does things repeatedly. Look at last season, he got fined in two successive weeks.
That really sucked for you but its different in the NFL. Players get fined for making hit on qbs Goodell decides where "too intiminating". Their will be major sanctions against any player who would try it in the NFL; especially repeat offenders or a mjor incidental.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
That really sucked for you but its different in the NFL. Players get fined for making hit on qbs Goodell decides where "too intiminating". Their will be major sanctions against any player who would try it in the NFL; especially repeat offenders or a mjor incidental.So, what you're telling me is that in the NFL, people will get fined for shots that are illegal, even if they aren't technically illegal at the time? Hm, interesting. You may want to talk to your boy up there.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
60 some posts and You come across with the authority of a Grandfather. You may want to see how someone is overall before you start Insulting them as a Person . Over a differance of opinion. I been her 4 yrs. If I didnt Respect your Teams History and Fans I would not have lasted that long.I wasn't aware that my number of posts was at all any indicator of my wisdom and/or knowledge.
I wasn't aware that my number of posts was at all any indicator of my wisdom and/or knowledge.
Well your number of posts tell me that you don't know me at all. So , you really don't need to talk all that **** . We all have opinions , just because we don't agree doesn't make one of us Retarded , stupid or an Idiot. Just differing in opinions.
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
That really sucked for you but its different in the NFL. Players get fined for making hit on qbs Goodell decides where "too intiminating". Their will be major sanctions against any player who would try it in the NFL; especially repeat offenders or a mjor incidental.So, what you're telling me is that in the NFL, people will get fined for shots that are illegal, even if they aren't technically illegal at the time? Hm, interesting. You may want to talk to your boy up there.
So, what you're telling me is that in the NFL, people will get fined for shots that are illegal, even if they aren't technically illegal at the time? Hm, interesting. You may want to talk to your boy up there.
"people will get fined for shots that are illegal, even if they aren't technically illegal at the time?"
Can you attempt to explain what that is supposed to mean?
I was saying that Goodell fines players for hits he determines were too intiminating even if the ref didn't through a flag.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Its football. Lineman have the "football mentality". When the get a chance to beat the crap out of somebody they go out and do so. Most receivers are primadonas who want to be known for getting yards and toucdowns. Hines is a "redefined" type of reciever as his ego is replaced by a football mentality. Maybe linebackers and safeties are used to being the ones who get a 15 yard head start to crush an unaware primodona reciever. Its not Hines' fault opposing defenses look past him as another ego receiver who takes the play off when its not designed to go to him. Opposing coaches better let their players know Hines will do anything and everything the rulebook allows him to do; just as defense do to recievers.That is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. You're just blatantly stating rash generalities. Everybody has the "football mentality" in NFL, or else they would never make it. I know plenty of WR's that have more passion for the game than any linemen. For that matter, I know kickers and PRs that have more of a "football mentality" than LB's or defensive linemen. You can't judge a person's mentality based on the position that they play. I know linemen that are some of the most laid-back guys you will ever meet, and they play football because they can, and I know WR's that will go out and hit anybody in the mouth on the field. A cheap shot is a cheap shot. Whines isn't redefined, he's a dirty player. Does he have a great deal of passion? Yes. Does he also have a great deal of talent? Yes. I know he's a great player, but that doesn't mean he's not dirty as well.
That is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. You're just blatantly stating rash generalities. Everybody has the "football mentality" in NFL, or else they would never make it. I know plenty of WR's that have more passion for the game than any linemen. For that matter, I know kickers and PRs that have more of a "football mentality" than LB's or defensive linemen. You can't judge a person's mentality based on the position that they play. I know linemen that are some of the most laid-back guys you will ever meet, and they play football because they can, and I know WR's that will go out and hit anybody in the mouth on the field. A cheap shot is a cheap shot. Whines isn't redefined, he's a dirty player. Does he have a great deal of passion? Yes. Does he also have a great deal of talent? Yes. I know he's a great player, but that doesn't mean he's not dirty as well.
I was using the term "football mentality" as an opposite for players who are primodonas. Do you know any primodona lineman in the NFL? Do you know any primodona recievers in the NFL? "You can't judge a person's mentality based on the position that they play." That's my point! It may be a stereotype that receivers are the most primodona position in the NFL, but than you have players like Ward who don't fit that at all.
Okay, you may think Hines is a dirty player, but can you atleast admitt he make plays/hits within the restrictions of the rulebook?
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
That is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. You're just blatantly stating rash generalities. Everybody has the "football mentality" in NFL, or else they would never make it. I know plenty of WR's that have more passion for the game than any linemen. For that matter, I know kickers and PRs that have more of a "football mentality" than LB's or defensive linemen. You can't judge a person's mentality based on the position that they play. I know linemen that are some of the most laid-back guys you will ever meet, and they play football because they can, and I know WR's that will go out and hit anybody in the mouth on the field. A cheap shot is a cheap shot. Whines isn't redefined, he's a dirty player. Does he have a great deal of passion? Yes. Does he also have a great deal of talent? Yes. I know he's a great player, but that doesn't mean he's not dirty as well.
I was using the term "football mentality" as an opposite for players who are primodonas. Do you know any primodona lineman in the NFL? Do you know any primodona recievers in the NFL? "You can't judge a person's mentality based on the position that they play." That's my point! It may be a stereotype that receivers are the most primodona position in the NFL, but than you have players like Ward who don't fit that at all.
Okay, you may think Hines is a dirty player, but can you atleast admitt he make plays/hits within the restrictions of the rulebook?
Sivlerback DPOY said:
I was using the term "football mentality" as an opposite for players who are primodonas. Do you know any primodona lineman in the NFL? Do you know any primodona recievers in the NFL? "You can't judge a person's mentality based on the position that they play." That's my point! It may be a stereotype that receivers are the most primodona position in the NFL, but than you have players like Ward who don't fit that at all.Okay, you may think Hines is a dirty player, but can you atleast admitt he make plays/hits within the restrictions of the rulebook?
IF Hines were a Brown this dude would LOVE him for his tenacity and his willingness to "Get Dirty" with his fellow Teammates...all the while being a superstar.
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
I was using the term "football mentality" as an opposite for players who are primodonas. Do you know any primodona lineman in the NFL? Do you know any primodona recievers in the NFL? "You can't judge a person's mentality based on the position that they play." That's my point! It may be a stereotype that receivers are the most primodona position in the NFL, but than you have players like Ward who don't fit that at all.Okay, you may think Hines is a dirty player, but can you atleast admitt he make plays/hits within the restrictions of the rulebook?
IF Hines were a Brown this dude would LOVE him for his tenacity and his willingness to "Get Dirty" with his fellow Teammates...all the while being a superstar.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
IF Hines were a Brown this dude would LOVE him for his tenacity and his willingness to "Get Dirty" with his fellow Teammates...all the while being a superstar.I've already said that I would never want him on my team although I do recognize his talent. I have a problem with people I feel are dirty players, and Hines is probably at the top of that list, maybe second behind Sean Avery. Don't think you know what I would like and wouldn't like.
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So, what you're telling me is that in the NFL, people will get fined for shots that are illegal, even if they aren't technically illegal at the time? Hm, interesting. You may want to talk to your boy up there.
"people will get fined for shots that are illegal, even if they aren't technically illegal at the time?"
Can you attempt to explain what that is supposed to mean?
I was saying that Goodell fines players for hits he determines were too intiminating even if the ref didn't through a flag.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
"people will get fined for shots that are illegal, even if they aren't technically illegal at the time?"Can you attempt to explain what that is supposed to mean?
I was saying that Goodell fines players for hits he determines were too intiminating even if the ref didn't through a flag.
Intiminating is not a word. And I meant exactly what I said. Goodell will fire a person because a shot is too "intiminating" [sic], but the plays aren't technically illegal at the time of the fine? Why fine them, then? What's the point in fining them if the shot is perfectly legal?
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Looking at that list, the definition of a dirty player seems to be one who is physical. The Browns wish they had some of those specimens on that list. I have never seen a list of the most PENALIZED players in the NFL by position, that would be more interesting to me. If there were someone who TRULY was consistently dirty they would cost their team too many yards and so they would clean up their play or be out of the league.
I don't think Ward really gets flagged all that often. He does jack people up but that is part of the game. Guys should be ashamed to complain about being jacked up by someone 10 years older and 30 pounds lighter than they are. Sounds like defensive players don't like swallowing their own medicine. Maybe they need to go change their tampon.
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physical is one thing.
Unnecessary "what do I care if I leave them paralyzed after I hit them after the play is over, or totally away from the play" is not
physical play that is accepted and understood by most of the entire league.
Some want to be feared for their cheapshots, and don't care what happens to someone they cheapshot, for whatever reason.
Two different deals.
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
"people will get fined for shots that are illegal, even if they aren't technically illegal at the time?"Can you attempt to explain what that is supposed to mean?
I was saying that Goodell fines players for hits he determines were too intiminating even if the ref didn't through a flag.
Intiminating is not a word. And I meant exactly what I said. Goodell will fire a person because a shot is too "intiminating" [sic], but the plays aren't technically illegal at the time of the fine? Why fine them, then? What's the point in fining them if the shot is perfectly legal?
Intiminating is not a word. And I meant exactly what I said. Goodell will fire a person because a shot is too "intiminating" [sic], but the plays aren't technically illegal at the time of the fine? Why fine them, then? What's the point in fining them if the shot is perfectly legal?
goodell will fire a person because a shot... You mean exactly that he will "fire" a person?
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Intiminating is not a word. And I meant exactly what I said. Goodell will fire a person because a shot is too "intiminating" [sic], but the plays aren't technically illegal at the time of the fine? Why fine them, then? What's the point in fining them if the shot is perfectly legal?
goodell will fire a person because a shot... You mean exactly that he will "fire" a person?
The Soldier said:
goodell will fire a person because a shot... You mean exactly that he will "fire" a person?I meant "fine". Which I say the other five times in that statement.
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physical is one thing.
Unnecessary "what do I care if I leave them paralyzed after I hit them after the play is over, or totally away from the play" is not
physical play that is accepted and understood by most of the entire league.
Some want to be feared for their cheapshots, and don't care what happens to someone they cheapshot, for whatever reason.
Two different deals.
physical is one thing.
Unnecessary "what do I care if I leave them paralyzed after I hit them after the play is over, or totally away from the play" is not
physical play that is accepted and understood by most of the entire league.
Some want to be feared for their cheapshots, and don't care what happens to someone they cheapshot, for whatever reason.
Two different deals.
You've used this argument twice in this thread, where the hell does hitting a guy hard translate to a lack of caring about injury? Sure on the far end of the spectrum there's a line that gets crossed but that's only when an action will definitely cause problems. And from a Browns fan no less, we all laugh and cheer for the Bradshaw pile driver. If you do to, then you're an f'ing hypocrite when you use this argument. A blind side hit from a smaller wide receiver is not going to permanantly injure a large defensive lineman, and while its not dainty and ruled by decorum, is still a legal manuever. Rub some dirt in it and move on.
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physical is one thing.
Unnecessary "what do I care if I leave them paralyzed after I hit them after the play is over, or totally away from the play" is not
physical play that is accepted and understood by most of the entire league.
Some want to be feared for their cheapshots, and don't care what happens to someone they cheapshot, for whatever reason.
Two different deals.
physical is one thing.
Unnecessary "what do I care if I leave them paralyzed after I hit them after the play is over, or totally away from the play" is not
physical play that is accepted and understood by most of the entire league.
Some want to be feared for their cheapshots, and don't care what happens to someone they cheapshot, for whatever reason.
Two different deals.
NO way No Shape and No Form is Hines Ward in the Catigory of : "what do I care if I leave them paralyzed after I hit them after the play is over, or totally away from the play" If you believe that you are certainly a Horrid judge of Character.
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Formerly Stone said:
This is flat out comical!If you had been to the 88 largest cities in America, and talked football, you would know that the Browns are universally declared to be the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL, and one of the worst teams in the history of modern football, but let me guess.........somehow that doesn't count for you does it?
It IS Truly Hilarious !! After all SteelerNation is Saluted all over the NFL (Except Maybe Cleveland Ohio) for the Outstanding Fans we have. Yet somehow this guy has been to the nations 88 biggest markets ( Yes Eighty Eight ) and has brought a detailed questionare that he has passed out to a scientific and sizable cross section of the population. Then has compiled the Intel and came up with these results. How big of a BS artist can you be dude ??
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You've used this argument twice in this thread, where the hell does hitting a guy hard translate to a lack of caring about injury? Neo
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Not hitting hard, hitting blindside cheapshot well away from the play and/or after the play is over. That's when you just want
to be feared, and couldn't care less if the guy he hits ends up in a wheel chair for life, etc.
Obviously, you didn't get it the first time, maybe the third time will be the charm?
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Sure on the far end of the spectrum there's a line that gets crossed but that's only when an action will definitely cause problems.
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So. what's the problem? The line gets crossed, well uncalled for, not in legit action, so your disagreement is... what?
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And from a Browns fan no less, we all laugh and cheer for the Bradshaw pile driver.
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No, we didn't all. But, Bradshaw was trying to pull away from Jones, and Jones was tackling him, and nailed him,
which was uncalled for. Bradshaw could have gotten a broken neck.
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If you do to, then you're an f'ing hypocrite when you use this argument.
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I don't, and I'm very consistent about it. You are wrong. Be very quiet, because if you don't,
you are an f'in hypocrite.
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A blind side hit from a smaller wide receiver is not going to permanantly injure a large defensive lineman, and while its not dainty and ruled by decorum, is still a legal manuever. Rub some dirt in it and move on.
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Away from and after the play? It most certainly is not a "legal maneuver" . You didn't spell "maneuver" correctly, btw...
And "smaller wide receiver" can't injure a defensive lineman on a blind side hit?
I call seriously, outrageously and histerical bullship.
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Formerly Stone said:
While we're making stuff up.......I think he carries a knife, brass knuckles, and a stun gun too!wow, he does the work of 3 bengals players. impressive.
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Heres My Issue with this. Defenders have NO problem Drilling a Guy who doesnt see them coming. Bart Scott was on espn radio tuesday saying his "Best" Hit ever was on Ben Roethlisberger ... "And he never seen me coming...I had a 15 yard head start , I thought I Killed him , he was down like 10 minutes" (paraphrased) He did say he was concerned afterward ... but these same defenders dont want be the "Hunted". So No offense , its football and a WR that has to go over the middle as part of his Job yet still takes pride in Jacking a defender trying to stop our offense ?? I have No Problem with that. The defensive guys who are offended by it... sorry it smells of a double standard.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Heres My Issue with this. Defenders have NO problem Drilling a Guy who doesnt see them coming. Bart Scott was on espn radio tuesday saying his "Best" Hit ever was on Ben Roethlisberger ... "And he never seen me coming...I had a 15 yard head start , I thought I Killed him , he was down like 10 minutes" (paraphrased) He did say he was concerned afterward ... but these same defenders dont want be the "Hunted". So No offense , its football and a WR that has to go over the middle as part of his Job yet still takes pride in Jacking a defender trying to stop our offense ?? I have No Problem with that. The defensive guys who are offended by it... sorry it smells of a double standard.Someone making sense.
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And consider these further names who could be in line for HOF induction over HW or who are contemporaries that may get equal HOF consideration:
Andre Reed
Rod Smith
Tony Gonzales
Joey Galloway
Shannon Sharpe
Irving Fryar
Art Powell
Laverneus Coles
Derrick Mason
TJ Houshmanzadeh
If you took all the people in these two posts how would you rate them for consideration for HOF induction?
And consider these further names who could be in line for HOF induction over HW or who are contemporaries that may get equal HOF consideration:
Andre Reed
Rod Smith
Tony Gonzales
Joey Galloway
Shannon Sharpe
Irving Fryar
Art Powell
Laverneus Coles
Derrick Mason
TJ Houshmanzadeh
If you took all the people in these two posts how would you rate them for consideration for HOF induction?
Thanks for the laugh. I've stayed away from the Browns board as of late but this brought me out of my vacation. Joey Galloway, Coles, Mason, TJ? and then you have Mushin, Eric Moulds etc on the first list over Hines? Laughable. Yea I get it you hate the Steelers but look at the numbers, the rings, the accolades and Hines being a primary face of the STeelers, not to mention the best blocking WR in the NFL currently and maybe ever. Additionally the "dirtiest player award" is also amusing and he himself thinks it's amusing. He's a WR fellas, beating up on LB's, DB's whatever and he's catching heat for being dirty. Every team in the NFL would love to have Hines Ward or a player like him. The peer voting is also a bunch of sour grapes. Get over it. Hines Ward is a future hall of famer without a doubt and will certainly get in before guys like the ones I listed in my post....oh and I forgot Chad Johnson lol. Yea solid receivers but in before Ward? lol.
Thanks for the laugh Gip.
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You can defend the douche all you want but the bottom line is always the same. HE IS A COCKROACH.
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