No QB in 2010.
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Good post, but I don't think it's fair to call Jason Campbell a bust. You're talking about a guy whose completion % and passer rating have improved each year.
As a 2010 FA, he'd be an interesting guy to bring in if BQ plays poorly down the stretch. He may not be a "franchise" type, but he's a competent NFL quarterback, which is better than what we've had so far this year.
Good post, but I don't think it's fair to call Jason Campbell a bust. You're talking about a guy whose completion % and passer rating have improved each year.
As a 2010 FA, he'd be an interesting guy to bring in if BQ plays poorly down the stretch. He may not be a "franchise" type, but he's a competent NFL quarterback, which is better than what we've had so far this year.
Unfortunately Campell draws paralells to the woman who been married 5 times, all the OC's he's been through is like some serious baggage. Washington has destroyed him, a real shame.
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I don't like the top QBs in this draft. Guys I'd take a shot with to develop in later rounds (5-7) if they are available:
Mangini as Coach: Pat Devlin Del (perhaps round 4 if he lasts) / Rusty Smith FAU or Tony Pike Cincy (stock dropping with Sophomore sensation's subs). Paired with a FA or minor trade vet QB (Kellen Clemens? )
Holmgren GM/New HC (WCO): Dan LeFevour CMU with Quinn kept around for another season. Jason Campbell is not out of the question if the Browns decide to move on in another direction or even open it up to competition. I might sound like a complete homer on this, but if Troy Smith could be had cheaply enough, I could see him being efficient in a WCO. The designed movement provides throwing lanes to help shorter passers (see Jeff Garcia/Joe Montana) and Smith's strength was throwing on the run. I see Smith as a stronger armed Jeff Garcia with a better pedigree. The Ravens picked up Beck because he fits their system better. I really wouldn't be shocked if they picked up Anderson if we released him and cut Troy (in favor of Beck). Beck was Cam's pet project in Miami.
This team is not ready to start a rookie QB next season and any coach/GM is going to feel pressure to improve as quickly as possible in a move toward being competitive. You do that by filling a lot of other needs first, IMO. Next year's QB is likely to struggle through more transition.
Also, taking a QB 1-5 who might sit the entire first year of his contract will be less harmful under the tighter rookie slotting coming with the next CBA in 2011.
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Absolutely, I am not in favor of taking a QB in the first round at all. With all the breast beating over how bad our QBs have been, our defense has been just as bad if not worse. In fact, in checking, the Browns offense if ranked #31 in the NFL in yards gained. The Browns defense is #32 and last in yards given up!!
It appears that the best impact players in this upcoming draft are defenders. I question whether there is a Top 10 worthy QB coming out.
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I think we just bite the bullet and stick with Quinn for the rest of the year and next year and work on everything else. We keep trying to fix the QB position and can't and everything else stays unattended. If Quinn is just terrible after we give him 8-10 starts then we bring in a Vet that can protect the ball and be smart on offense and let some of these rookies develop. You can't have rookies all over the field and bring in a rookie QB and expect results.
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I'm not sure why everyone is still against BQ. Regardless of how much he has played, and his performances, I think he has the work ethic to be a good QB. He's unproven still. Troy Aikman was won one game his rookie year. BQ hasn't even had a chance to play consistently enough to show that he is capable of growing and learning.
We have a 1st Round QB that has done nothing since we drafted him, give him a chance to play the rest of the year and then maybe we can talk more about possible QB's. Too early IMO.
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Unless there is someone that the GM - whoever that may be - is a sure fire can't miss prospect at QB (and yes there are years where that can happen) my suggestion would be to pass on QB in 2010 as well.
By 2011 there may be a new rookie salary structure that will make a high first round pick screw up less costly.
At QB there's the option of trading for an adequate QB but not a star, or bringing in multiple free agents and lower round rookies and giving them all a chance to compete.
The Franchise QBs are tough to come by... there's some luck, and a high price tag associated with obtaining them. If you think you can get one they are worth the money.
After that it's "volume volume volume" - bring in as many JAGs as it takes and eventually you'll find a Joe Flacco or someone like that... and maybe even a Tom Brady. A team doesn't need a pro-bowl QB to win the Super Bowl but it sure doesn't hurt.
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Mangini is like BB in the sense that he doesn't fall in love with "stud" QBs. He is more likely to draft a system guy on day 2 to develope behind a Culpepper or Kolb or somebody like that. And I feel that is the best move since, as Chip said, this team is not ready for a rookie QB to start. But, I do expect to see a lot of rookies starting next year in other positions which kinda scares me a little bit. But with 11 picks already and a roster than needs flipped, that may be what we're looking at next year.
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I'm not sure why everyone is still against BQ. Regardless of how much he has played, and his performances, I think he has the work ethic to be a good QB. He's unproven still. Troy Aikman was won one game his rookie year. BQ hasn't even had a chance to play consistently enough to show that he is capable of growing and learning.
We have a 1st Round QB that has done nothing since we drafted him, give him a chance to play the rest of the year and then maybe we can talk more about possible QB's. Too early IMO.
I'm not sure why everyone is still against BQ. Regardless of how much he has played, and his performances, I think he has the work ethic to be a good QB. He's unproven still. Troy Aikman was won one game his rookie year. BQ hasn't even had a chance to play consistently enough to show that he is capable of growing and learning.
We have a 1st Round QB that has done nothing since we drafted him, give him a chance to play the rest of the year and then maybe we can talk more about possible QB's. Too early IMO.
I agree but if he is as unwatchable as he was in the first 2.5 games...then::::: I can tell you one thing: We can't afford to "NOT" reach for a quarterback, at least in the first three rounds!
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I'm not sure why everyone is still against BQ. Regardless of how much he has played, and his performances, I think he has the work ethic to be a good QB. He's unproven still. Troy Aikman was won one game his rookie year. BQ hasn't even had a chance to play consistently enough to show that he is capable of growing and learning.
We have a 1st Round QB that has done nothing since we drafted him, give him a chance to play the rest of the year and then maybe we can talk more about possible QB's. Too early IMO.
I'm not sure why everyone is still against BQ.
Oh, I'm not against him at all. I think he got a raw deal, and hasn't had any time to develop on the field like he needs. I'm just saying that we might as well stick with BQ through his growing pains, rather than draft another rookie and start all over again. If he doesn't work out after having a year and a half under his belt, then we go after a vet, not draft another rookie. As far as I'm concerned I think BQ has quicker upside than a new rookie... He is still fresh like a rookie, not having played much, he has a few years of study under his belt, and he is smart.
I would rather see him given the time to develop then to cast him off and start from square one again.
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I'm not sure why everyone is still against BQ. Regardless of how much he has played, and his performances, I think he has the work ethic to be a good QB. He's unproven still. Troy Aikman was won one game his rookie year. BQ hasn't even had a chance to play consistently enough to show that he is capable of growing and learning.
We have a 1st Round QB that has done nothing since we drafted him, give him a chance to play the rest of the year and then maybe we can talk more about possible QB's. Too early IMO.
I agree but if he is as unwatchable as he was in the first 2.5 games...then::::: I can tell you one thing: We can't afford to "NOT" reach for a quarterback, at least in the first three rounds!
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All good points, I do not believe a QB is the solution to this teams problems, we have issues in several other areas. I would rather pick up a veteran and let him come in and try to make things watchable, at the very least
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Solon
you seem to have relaxed a little on the 1st pick being a qb, now i can agree with you
Well imo, suh is a once in a decade talent... and because i think we can get a good Qb in the second round.
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Solon
you seem to have relaxed a little on the 1st pick being a qb, now i can agree with you
Well imo, suh is a once in a decade talent... and because i think we can get a good Qb in the second round.
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Early First round picks in 2011 will become (already have) a LOT more valuable......the lesser risk (salary wise) creates greater value.
Good post by the way
ps do you have a job....
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I think Mangini needs to make his choice between Quinn and Anderson at the end of the year, then get rid of the other. At that point, if they think Ratliff can be a reliable second, draft a second day QB with potential, if not on the Ratliff question, bring in a serviceable journeyman and have him compete for the starting spot. The first two three rounds they need to go for the best players at position of need they can get this year. Build a cockpit and a defense for a QB, then maybe a QB will have a chance here.
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I think Mangini needs to make his choice between Quinn and Anderson at the end of the year, then get rid of the other. At that point, if they think Ratliff can be a reliable second, draft a second day QB with potential, if not on the Ratliff question, bring in a serviceable journeyman and have him compete for the starting spot. The first two three rounds they need to go for the best players at position of need they can get this year. Build a cockpit and a defense for a QB, then maybe a QB will have a chance here.
I think Mangini needs to make his choice between Quinn and Anderson at the end of the year, then get rid of the other. At that point, if they think Ratliff can be a reliable second, draft a second day QB with potential, if not on the Ratliff question, bring in a serviceable journeyman and have him compete for the starting spot. The first two three rounds they need to go for the best players at position of need they can get this year. Build a cockpit and a defense for a QB, then maybe a QB will have a chance here.
Somewhere in your mind, do you actually beleive DA should be in any equation for our roster next year?
Make a choice? Like a choice is even needed. DA should not be on an NFL roster, well maybe a practice squad.
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I think Anderson is as good as gone. NO way would you want to keep him with his big salary (not guaranteed) for 2010. Quinn has a very light basic salary comparable to the average backup Qb salary and Ratliff is at the NFL minimum.
I agree that bringing in a veteran QB as a stopgap would be a good move because I'm not sold on this years QB class. Especially with a top 5 pick. There are some interesting guys I'd take a flyer on later in the draft but as of now, not a high #1.
There are too many needs on this team and too many top guys like Suh and Berry. We desparately need a RB, shutdown corner, LB, RT and TE.
If there's a can't miss QB available I'd say take him but I don't see it.
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Er... Like who?
Please don't tell me Tebow.
Case Keenum (if he comes out), pike will fall to second round, Colt McCoy will fall to second round, Dan lafevor might fail to third, Plenty of Qb's better than what we have from second round on...
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All I know is that watching comedy hour with Jay Cutler and the Bears last night made me feel comparatively good about our QB situation.
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All I know is that watching comedy hour with Jay Cutler and the Bears last night made me feel comparatively good about our QB situation.McDaniels certainly should get a high amount of respect from his team after "downgrading" his QB position. There were quite a few predictions that the Broncos would be flirting with a winless season this year as they initiated their rebuilding.
Lerner may even regret passing on McDaniels and choosing Eric "Augustus Gloop" Mangini instead
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