Where DO you get a HOF QB?
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Where IS the best place to find a true Hall of Famer at the QB position? Well, let's look at where those who ARE HOF QBs have been found. Here is the list of those who are considered "modern" QBs and where the were drafted or how they were obtained:
George Blanda Bears #2 round pick 1949. Played numerous years with Bears before going to AFL Raiders.
Len Dawson Steelers #1 round pick 1957. Cut or traded after 3 years. Signed with AFL Chiefs
Bob Griese Dolphins #1 round pick 1967
Johnny Unitas Steelers #9 round pick 1955. Cut, then picked up by Colts
Joe Montana 49ers #3 round pick 1979
Roger Staubach Cowboys #10 round pick 1964 (also picked in AFL 12th round by Chiefs) Would have been much higher pick except for 5 year military commitment.
Bart Starr Packers #17th round pick 1956 (5 NFL titles later might make this the best value pick in history)
Y.A. Tittle Lions #1 round pick 1948, never played for Lions, opted to go to AAFC 49ers instead.
Bob Waterfield Rams #5 round pick 1944
Dan Marino Dolphins #1 round pick 1983
Sonny Jurgenson Eagles #4 round pick 1957
Terry Bradshaw Steelers #1 overall pick of 1970 draft
John Elway Colts #1 overall pick of 1983 draft. Never played for Colts, traded to Denver
Otto Graham Lions #1 round pick of 1944. Never played for Lions. Chose military and AAFC Browns to play
Steve Young Buccaneers #1 round pick 1984. But played in USFL initially before coming back to Bucs, then traded to 49ers
Joe Namath Jets #1 round pick AFL 1964 draft. Also selected in NFL first round by Cardinals. Chose Jets.
Warren Moon Undrafted. Played 5 years in CFL before coming as Free Agent to NFL Oilers
Fran Tarkenton Vikings #3 round pick 1961
Troy Aikman Cowboys #1 overall pick of 1989 draft
Jim Kelly Bills #1 round pick 1983. But played USFL initially before coming back to Bills
Norm Van Brocklin #4 round pick of Rams in 1949 draft
So, note that of these 21 HOFers 11 were first round picks. Five came between rounds 2 to 5. Only 3 were drafted below the 5th round, and one of those has to have an asterisk because if Staubach had been available right away, it is almost certain he would have been a very high first round pick. Only Unitas and Starr were amazing surprises. And Moon was completely ignored for a long time. Other factors (perhaps racial issues?) may have been at play there.
Of future certain HOFers, Brady and Kurt Warner could fall into the the "major surprise" category. A few for sures, like Peyton Manning, Favre, were fairly high round picks.
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So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...
I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..
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So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...
I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..
So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...
I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..
Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?
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So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...
I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..
Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?
Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?
What it all boils down to is..since 1944 the first round has only produced 11 HOFs, with maybe a couple more in the pipe. Hardly a sure thing. 52% is little better than a coin flip.
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Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?
What it all boils down to is..since 1944 the first round has only produced 11 HOFs, with maybe a couple more in the pipe. Hardly a sure thing. 52% is little better than a coin flip.
What it all boils down to is..since 1944 the first round has only produced 11 HOFs, with maybe a couple more in the pipe. Hardly a sure thing. 52% is little better than a coin flip.
OK, but rounds 1-100 or however many there may have been have only produced 9 HOF QBs. And one guy was never drafted at all!
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So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...
I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..
Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?
Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?
Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.
I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.
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Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?
Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.
I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.
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I don't think it is all luck. Arm strength, accuracy, personality type, mental toughness, previous experience, how did a player perform in their biggest and toughest games of the season. All of these factor into the odds of a QB succeeding. There are some people with a history of picking good QBs
If you have done your homework and believe that a future all pro QB is in your sights you take him unless you already have a young all pro QB. Let's hope Brady makes us forget all of this conversation in the next two months.
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What if you draft a potential HOFer in Cleveland but he leaves after his rookie contract is up
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What it all boils down to is..since 1944 the first round has only produced 11 HOFs, with maybe a couple more in the pipe. Hardly a sure thing. 52% is little better than a coin flip.
OK, but rounds 1-100 or however many there may have been have only produced 9 HOF QBs. And one guy was never drafted at all!
OK, but rounds 1-100 or however many there may have been have only produced 9 HOF QBs. And one guy was never drafted at all!
So you want to put all your money on a QB in round one based on some small percentage of a percent chance that he'll eventually become a Hall of Famer?
This team has lots of needs. If for some reason there is a QB out there that is more superior at that position than any player available at another position we need help at, then pick him... but if you need another position and there's a clearly outstanding individual at that position you've got to go for it.
You need a good team to make a QB look great. A great QB playing on a crap team isn't going to look so hot.
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I don't think it is all luck. Arm strength, accuracy, personality type, mental toughness, previous experience, how did a player perform in their biggest and toughest games of the season. All of these factor into the odds of a QB succeeding. There are some people with a history of picking good QBs
If you have done your homework and believe that a future all pro QB is in your sights you take him unless you already have a young all pro QB. Let's hope Brady makes us forget all of this conversation in the next two months.
I don't think it is all luck. Arm strength, accuracy, personality type, mental toughness, previous experience, how did a player perform in their biggest and toughest games of the season. All of these factor into the odds of a QB succeeding. There are some people with a history of picking good QBs
If you have done your homework and believe that a future all pro QB is in your sights you take him unless you already have a young all pro QB. Let's hope Brady makes us forget all of this conversation in the next two months.
Well, you can have a future HOFer right under your nose, and not recognize it. Dawson and Unitas got cut- think Atlanta is kicking themselves in the a** for trading Farve?
Let's lower our sights for a minute- I'll settle for a real franchise qb- and the current crop has a disproportionate share of first rounders.
Yeah, it is luck to an extent- Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf?
'99 Couch, McNabb, or Akilli Smith? The Eagles got lucky- I thought Couch was the safe pick, and I still remember the Eagles fans booing McNabb off the stage when his name got called.
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Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?
Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.
I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.
Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.
I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.
And I completely agree with you. (and we have our round 1 QB on the roster: Quinn. Ergo, the odds say that as a #1 round pick, he has a higher chance to become a Hall of Famer than the other QBs on the roster!!
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OK, but rounds 1-100 or however many there may have been have only produced 9 HOF QBs. And one guy was never drafted at all!
So you want to put all your money on a QB in round one based on some small percentage of a percent chance that he'll eventually become a Hall of Famer?
This team has lots of needs. If for some reason there is a QB out there that is more superior at that position than any player available at another position we need help at, then pick him... but if you need another position and there's a clearly outstanding individual at that position you've got to go for it.
You need a good team to make a QB look great. A great QB playing on a crap team isn't going to look so hot.
So you want to put all your money on a QB in round one based on some small percentage of a percent chance that he'll eventually become a Hall of Famer?
This team has lots of needs. If for some reason there is a QB out there that is more superior at that position than any player available at another position we need help at, then pick him... but if you need another position and there's a clearly outstanding individual at that position you've got to go for it.
You need a good team to make a QB look great. A great QB playing on a crap team isn't going to look so hot.
Again, I don't disagree with you at all. I was merely pointing out that more HOF QBs were obtained via a first round pick than in any other round. And there have only been 11 of those, so even the chances of drafting a QB in the first round that will make the HOF is still miniscule.
Of the sure fire future HOF QBs, you have Manning 1st round, Favre 2d rounder, Brady 6th rounder. If Kurt Warner makes it he will be of the Warren Moon variety: never even drafted. Who else is a possible?
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I don't think it is all luck. Arm strength, accuracy, personality type, mental toughness, previous experience, how did a player perform in their biggest and toughest games of the season. All of these factor into the odds of a QB succeeding. There are some people with a history of picking good QBs
If you have done your homework and believe that a future all pro QB is in your sights you take him unless you already have a young all pro QB. Let's hope Brady makes us forget all of this conversation in the next two months.
Well, you can have a future HOFer right under your nose, and not recognize it. Dawson and Unitas got cut- think Atlanta is kicking themselves in the a** for trading Farve?
Let's lower our sights for a minute- I'll settle for a real franchise qb- and the current crop has a disproportionate share of first rounders.
Yeah, it is luck to an extent- Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf?
'99 Couch, McNabb, or Akilli Smith? The Eagles got lucky- I thought Couch was the safe pick, and I still remember the Eagles fans booing McNabb off the stage when his name got called.
Well, you can have a future HOFer right under your nose, and not recognize it. Dawson and Unitas got cut- think Atlanta is kicking themselves in the a** for trading Farve?
Let's lower our sights for a minute- I'll settle for a real franchise qb- and the current crop has a disproportionate share of first rounders.
Yeah, it is luck to an extent- Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf?
'99 Couch, McNabb, or Akilli Smith? The Eagles got lucky- I thought Couch was the safe pick, and I still remember the Eagles fans booing McNabb off the stage when his name got called.
And I have always contended that if Couch had been picked by the Eagles, and McNabb by the Browns, it would have been McNabb who would have struggled and Couch who would have thrived.
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By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?
His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.
Vote, yea, or nay.
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By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?
His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.
Vote, yea, or nay.
By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?
His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.
Vote, yea, or nay.
And 267 INT's no way
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By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?
His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.
Vote, yea, or nay.
And 267 INT's no way
And 267 INT's no way
Unless we use the "Joe Namath Scoring System" (I mean for HOF, not Suzi Kolber).
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Formerly Stone said:
To answer your question...."Where do you get a HOF QB"?Miami of Ohio
Well, you certainly get a HOF coach from there: Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Paul Brown, Ara Parseghian., Weeb Ewbank. Also FYI, Walter Alston, HOF baseball manager
Don't know about QBs. None are in there from that school. It is way too premature to speculate on that respecting any current player. In regard to those 21 "modern" QBs that are in, here are their schools:
Alabama: Namath, Starr
BYU: Young
Duke: Jurgenson
Georgia: Tarkenton
Kentucky: Blanda
LSU: Tittle
La. Tech: Bradshaw
Louisville: Unitas
Miami, Fla: Kelly
Navy: Staubach
Northwestern: Graham
Notre Dame: Montana
Oregon: Fouts, Van Brocklin
Pitt: Marino
Purdue: Griese, Dawson
Stanford: Elway
Texas: Layne
UCLA: Waterfield, Aikman
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