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  • So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...

    I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...

    I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..

    @ballpeen said:

    So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...

    I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..

    Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?

    DrunkandstoopidD ballpeenB 2 Replies
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @ballpeen said:

    So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...

    I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..

    Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?

    What it all boils down to is..since 1944 the first round has only produced 11 HOFs, with maybe a couple more in the pipe. Hardly a sure thing. 52% is little better than a coin flip.

  • DrunkandstoopidD Drunkandstoopid

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?

    What it all boils down to is..since 1944 the first round has only produced 11 HOFs, with maybe a couple more in the pipe. Hardly a sure thing. 52% is little better than a coin flip.

    @drunkandstoopid said:

    What it all boils down to is..since 1944 the first round has only produced 11 HOFs, with maybe a couple more in the pipe. Hardly a sure thing. 52% is little better than a coin flip.

    OK, but rounds 1-100 or however many there may have been have only produced 9 HOF QBs. And one guy was never drafted at all!

    DrunkandstoopidD 1 Reply
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @ballpeen said:

    So, only 21 HOFers out of the thousands who were going to be HOF qb,s...

    I think luck plays as big a part as any other factor...that or just keep drafting QBs and allow odds to work in your favor..

    Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?

    Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.

    I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
    ThaakT The GipperT 2 Replies
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?

    Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.

    I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.

    @ballpeen said:

    Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.

    I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.

    Its also total luck in Round 1

    ballpeenB 1 Reply

  • I don't think it is all luck. Arm strength, accuracy, personality type, mental toughness, previous experience, how did a player perform in their biggest and toughest games of the season. All of these factor into the odds of a QB succeeding. There are some people with a history of picking good QBs

    If you have done your homework and believe that a future all pro QB is in your sights you take him unless you already have a young all pro QB. Let's hope Brady makes us forget all of this conversation in the next two months.

    hoortaH 1 Reply

  • Where IS the best place to find a true Hall of Famer at the QB position? Canton

  • What if you draft a potential HOFer in Cleveland but he leaves after his rookie contract is up

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @drunkandstoopid said:

    What it all boils down to is..since 1944 the first round has only produced 11 HOFs, with maybe a couple more in the pipe. Hardly a sure thing. 52% is little better than a coin flip.

    OK, but rounds 1-100 or however many there may have been have only produced 9 HOF QBs. And one guy was never drafted at all!

    @the-gipper said:

    OK, but rounds 1-100 or however many there may have been have only produced 9 HOF QBs. And one guy was never drafted at all!

    So you want to put all your money on a QB in round one based on some small percentage of a percent chance that he'll eventually become a Hall of Famer?

    This team has lots of needs. If for some reason there is a QB out there that is more superior at that position than any player available at another position we need help at, then pick him... but if you need another position and there's a clearly outstanding individual at that position you've got to go for it.

    You need a good team to make a QB look great. A great QB playing on a crap team isn't going to look so hot.

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  • D DawgTracker

    I don't think it is all luck. Arm strength, accuracy, personality type, mental toughness, previous experience, how did a player perform in their biggest and toughest games of the season. All of these factor into the odds of a QB succeeding. There are some people with a history of picking good QBs

    If you have done your homework and believe that a future all pro QB is in your sights you take him unless you already have a young all pro QB. Let's hope Brady makes us forget all of this conversation in the next two months.

    @dawgtracker said:

    I don't think it is all luck. Arm strength, accuracy, personality type, mental toughness, previous experience, how did a player perform in their biggest and toughest games of the season. All of these factor into the odds of a QB succeeding. There are some people with a history of picking good QBs

    If you have done your homework and believe that a future all pro QB is in your sights you take him unless you already have a young all pro QB. Let's hope Brady makes us forget all of this conversation in the next two months.

    Well, you can have a future HOFer right under your nose, and not recognize it. Dawson and Unitas got cut- think Atlanta is kicking themselves in the a** for trading Farve?

    Let's lower our sights for a minute- I'll settle for a real franchise qb- and the current crop has a disproportionate share of first rounders.

    Yeah, it is luck to an extent- Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf?

    '99 Couch, McNabb, or Akilli Smith? The Eagles got lucky- I thought Couch was the safe pick, and I still remember the Eagles fans booing McNabb off the stage when his name got called.

    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • ThaakT Thaak

    @ballpeen said:

    Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.

    I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.

    Its also total luck in Round 1

    @thaak said:

    Its also total luck in Round 1

    I almost said that as well. But...every once in a while it isn't so much luck to pick a great player...I do suppose the luck comes in that you are the team in position to draft the guy.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    @the-gipper said:

    Well, as noted, over 52.4% were first round picks, and that would have been higher but for Staubach's military thing. So, maybe going QB in the first round IS the way to go?

    Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.

    I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.

    @ballpeen said:

    Sure...I agree with that....it's total luck after round 1.

    I don't see it this year...I don't think any are all that good.

    And I completely agree with you. (and we have our round 1 QB on the roster: Quinn. Ergo, the odds say that as a #1 round pick, he has a higher chance to become a Hall of Famer than the other QBs on the roster!! 😆

  • DrunkandstoopidD Drunkandstoopid

    @the-gipper said:

    OK, but rounds 1-100 or however many there may have been have only produced 9 HOF QBs. And one guy was never drafted at all!

    So you want to put all your money on a QB in round one based on some small percentage of a percent chance that he'll eventually become a Hall of Famer?

    This team has lots of needs. If for some reason there is a QB out there that is more superior at that position than any player available at another position we need help at, then pick him... but if you need another position and there's a clearly outstanding individual at that position you've got to go for it.

    You need a good team to make a QB look great. A great QB playing on a crap team isn't going to look so hot.

    @drunkandstoopid said:

    So you want to put all your money on a QB in round one based on some small percentage of a percent chance that he'll eventually become a Hall of Famer?

    This team has lots of needs. If for some reason there is a QB out there that is more superior at that position than any player available at another position we need help at, then pick him... but if you need another position and there's a clearly outstanding individual at that position you've got to go for it.

    You need a good team to make a QB look great. A great QB playing on a crap team isn't going to look so hot.

    Again, I don't disagree with you at all. I was merely pointing out that more HOF QBs were obtained via a first round pick than in any other round. And there have only been 11 of those, so even the chances of drafting a QB in the first round that will make the HOF is still miniscule.

    Of the sure fire future HOF QBs, you have Manning 1st round, Favre 2d rounder, Brady 6th rounder. If Kurt Warner makes it he will be of the Warren Moon variety: never even drafted. Who else is a possible?

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @dawgtracker said:

    I don't think it is all luck. Arm strength, accuracy, personality type, mental toughness, previous experience, how did a player perform in their biggest and toughest games of the season. All of these factor into the odds of a QB succeeding. There are some people with a history of picking good QBs

    If you have done your homework and believe that a future all pro QB is in your sights you take him unless you already have a young all pro QB. Let's hope Brady makes us forget all of this conversation in the next two months.

    Well, you can have a future HOFer right under your nose, and not recognize it. Dawson and Unitas got cut- think Atlanta is kicking themselves in the a** for trading Farve?

    Let's lower our sights for a minute- I'll settle for a real franchise qb- and the current crop has a disproportionate share of first rounders.

    Yeah, it is luck to an extent- Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf?

    '99 Couch, McNabb, or Akilli Smith? The Eagles got lucky- I thought Couch was the safe pick, and I still remember the Eagles fans booing McNabb off the stage when his name got called.

    @hoorta said:

    Well, you can have a future HOFer right under your nose, and not recognize it. Dawson and Unitas got cut- think Atlanta is kicking themselves in the a** for trading Farve?

    Let's lower our sights for a minute- I'll settle for a real franchise qb- and the current crop has a disproportionate share of first rounders.

    Yeah, it is luck to an extent- Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf?

    '99 Couch, McNabb, or Akilli Smith? The Eagles got lucky- I thought Couch was the safe pick, and I still remember the Eagles fans booing McNabb off the stage when his name got called.

    And I have always contended that if Couch had been picked by the Eagles, and McNabb by the Browns, it would have been McNabb who would have struggled and Couch who would have thrived.

  • By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?

    His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.

    Vote, yea, or nay.

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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?

    His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.

    Vote, yea, or nay.

    @the-gipper said:

    By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?

    His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.

    Vote, yea, or nay.

    And 267 INT's no way

    Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12
  • Kosar_For_PresidentK Kosar_For_President

    @the-gipper said:

    By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?

    His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.

    Vote, yea, or nay.

    And 267 INT's no way

    @kosar_for_president said:

    And 267 INT's no way

    Unless we use the "Joe Namath Scoring System" (I mean for HOF, not Suzi Kolber).

  • Formerly Stone said:

    To answer your question...."Where do you get a HOF QB"?

    Miami of Ohio

    Well, you certainly get a HOF coach from there: Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler, Paul Brown, Ara Parseghian., Weeb Ewbank. Also FYI, Walter Alston, HOF baseball manager

    Don't know about QBs. None are in there from that school. It is way too premature to speculate on that respecting any current player. In regard to those 21 "modern" QBs that are in, here are their schools:

    Alabama: Namath, Starr

    BYU: Young

    Duke: Jurgenson

    Georgia: Tarkenton

    Kentucky: Blanda

    LSU: Tittle

    La. Tech: Bradshaw

    Louisville: Unitas

    Miami, Fla: Kelly

    Navy: Staubach

    Northwestern: Graham

    Notre Dame: Montana

    Oregon: Fouts, Van Brocklin

    Pitt: Marino

    Purdue: Griese, Dawson

    Stanford: Elway

    Texas: Layne

    UCLA: Waterfield, Aikman

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?

    His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.

    Vote, yea, or nay.

    @the-gipper said:

    By the way: Does anyone think Vinny Testaverde could one day be placed in the HOF?

    His career numbers are surprising: 7th all time in total yards and completions. 6th all time in attempts. 8th all time in TD passes.

    Vote, yea, or nay.

    This is mostly because he played for 21 years.... he had a couple good seasons but for the most part he was either mediocre or an interception factory. I vote nay.

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