Ron Jaworski comments on the Browns

There is only one QB in the league who could go into cleveland and start winning right away. That person is Big Ben :lol:

Mark O

You sir are an idiot.

Ever hear of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? Big gay Ben is maybe the 3rd best QB in the AFC...he might even be 4th behind Rivers, Manning and Brady.

Better than any of the QB's on our roster but certainly not the only QB who could improve the play of this team.

professor_g

Jaworski says about our situation at receiver:

"You've got to find a game-breaker at wide receiver, and a No. 1 is hard to come by... Braylon Edwards was the playmaker. He dropped some balls, but at least he was someone you had to worry about. With Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie, there's upside, but they're not going to be No. 1 receivers. Defenses won't fear them or double them. They're good, solid No. 2s and No. 3s. Josh Cribbs can make plays, but he's a gimmick and a gadget, not a consistent NFL threat."

A few comments. First, there are plenty of Super Bowl teams that have lacked that legitimate no. 1 receiver. A good system with competent receivers can get it done.

Second, while we will clearly need more depth at receiver in the coming years, it's way too early to say that our no. 1 is not already on the team. How can he be so confident that Massaquoi is not going to be a no. 1? Doesn't it take several years, typically, for NFL receivers to start reaching their potential? Massaquoi is a smart kid with a ton of character. I really hope he and Mangini have a chance to make Jaworski eat his words.

Third, how worried were teams about Braylon, really? Are defenses really playing us very differently now that he's gone? This is more of a question than a comment, but I suspect that Massaquoi's big game again Cinci turned heads as much as anything Braylon did this year.

Anyway, I fully agree with him that we need a bigger threat at RB. I'm just more optimistic than he is that our receivers will pan out in the long run, provided we can add a bit more depth at the position.

Mark O

@mark-o said:
You sir are an idiot.
Ever hear of Peyton Manning or Tom Brady? Big gay Ben is maybe the 3rd best QB in the AFC...he might even be 4th behind Rivers, Manning and Brady.

Better than any of the QB's on our roster but certainly not the only QB who could improve the play of this team.

When you say "gay" you must have brady quinn on your mind. Big Ben is by far the best QB in the league and a future hall of famer.

The Gipper

berniesipe said:
When you say "gay" you must have brady quinn on your mind. Big Ben is by far the best QB in the league and a future hall of famer.

Or Some might argue that BR may only be the 5th or 6th best in the AFC (not even counting the NFC), behind Brady, Manning, Rivers, Palmer, and potentially Flacco. Personally, I would say somewhere between 4th and 5th.

The Gipper

@the-gipper said:
Or Some might argue that BR may only be the 5th or 6th best in the AFC (not even counting the NFC), behind Brady, Manning, Rivers, Palmer, and potentially Flacco. Personally, I would say somewhere between 4th and 5th.

I suppose its one of those things that isn't black and white. What do you base it on, stats or wins?

Why did the browns take the soldier instead of big ben?

Did big ben get his nickname from the girls on the miami of ohio campus?

Mark O

berniesipe said:
When you say "gay" you must have brady quinn on your mind. Big Ben is by far the best QB in the league and a future hall of famer.

By far??? You're an idiot. Manning and Brady are clearly better QB's and this year Rivers probably has better numbers in the AFC. Brees has better numbers in the NFC, that puts him in at least 5th place in the league.

What is with Steeler homos hanging out here all the time? At least some have some semblence of objectivity and brains but the new ones we keep getting are just stupid and lame.

The Gipper

berniesipe said:
I suppose its one of those things that isn't black and white. What do you base it on, stats or wins?
Why did the browns take the soldier instead of big ben?

Did big ben get his nickname from the girls on the miami of ohio campus?

Probably from the guys, he isn't calle Big Gay Ben for nothing.

Why did they take Winslow instead of BR? Because every single scouting organization had him ranked far higher as a prospect. In fact, he was thought to be a steal and many felt he was top 5 material. He very well may have been. It was his stupid motorcycle accident and other injuries that somewhat have hampered his talent.

The Gipper

In terms of how I see QBs rated, it is just a feeling. Here is a link to some scouting rankings:

http://www.newerascouting.com/07/nfl-quarterback-rankings/

Notice that they have Brady and P. Manning at the top, with McNabb, BR, Rivers, Eli Manning, and Brees all at the same level.

Mark O

@mark-o said:
By far??? You're an idiot. Manning and Brady are clearly better QB's and this year Rivers probably has better numbers in the AFC. Brees has better numbers in the NFC, that puts him in at least 5th place in the league.
What is with Steeler homos hanging out here all the time? At least some have some semblence of objectivity and brains but the new ones we keep getting are just stupid and lame.

I don't appreciate your insults! Does your mom know you talk this way to adults?

CLEVELandMILIDH

berniesipe said:
I don't appreciate your insults! Does your mom know you talk this way to adults?

why's your screenname berniesipe if your a steelers fan?

Mark O

berniesipe said:
I don't appreciate your insults! Does your mom know you talk this way to adults?

Kiss my ass homo...if you don't like it, get the hell out. You're xxxxing Retarded if you're saying you would'nt trade Gay Ben straight up for Manning or Brady.

CLEVELandMILIDH

nmills said:
why's your screenname berniesipe if your a steelers fan?

Who said I was a steeler fan?

CLEVELandMILIDH

berniesipe said:
Who said I was a steeler fan?

well your obviously in love with Big Ben, that would lead me to beleive your a Steelers fan. I dont no any Browns fans that droll over big ben.

DawgTracker

It is hard to argue with what Jaws said. The browns haven't had a receiver (including braylon) that could really get open like Ocho Stinko, steve smith etc. Most of Braylon's big plays were perfect threaded throws by the good DA or balls thrown up into good coverage hoping that Braylon would come down with the ball.

The Gipper

Formerly Stone said:
This is just plain stupid

WTF you talking about? P. Manning, Brady, and Rivers are considered better than BR. If I put BR 4th I am doing exactly what most experts are doing. And arguably Carson Palmer is a better QB, but he certainly has been behind BR in one category: the quality of his surrounding cast.

What is stupid is you thinking BR is a god. He is very good, but there are 3-4 in the AFC that are better.

The Gipper

Formerly Stone said:
There is not a chance in hell I take any of those guys over Ben.

I will take your defense, you keep BR. Again, not that there is anything wrong with him, its just, I prefer the units that creates wins.

Mark O

@mark-o said:
Kiss my ass homo...if you don't like it, get the hell out. You're xxxxing Retarded if you're saying you would'nt trade Gay Ben straight up for Manning or Brady.

Your not dizzy are you?

CLEVELandMILIDH

nmills said:

well your obviously in love with Big Ben, that would lead me to beleive your a Steelers fan. I dont no any Browns fans that droll over big ben.

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Most brown fans don't know talent.

Speedyd900rr

There is a reason they call all the players a team. It's not one person who is a deciding factor on a win or a loss. Why do you have to comment on Browns fans not knowing talent? It's not up to us to decide who we pick and sign. It's up to management. Why are you even wasting hours of your life on a Browns board anyways? I know that bully who took your lunch money had a Browns hat on but come on. This is the internet, stop running your mouth. Not one person here will think you are tough.