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Do you guys feel the polish is wearing off of Sizemore?? I tend to think it is and think we may be nearing the end of his sell high point.
I for one would be interested to see just what sort of value other teams might be willing to offer.
Do you guys feel the polish is wearing off of Sizemore?? I tend to think it is and think we may be nearing the end of his sell high point.
I for one would be interested to see just what sort of value other teams might be willing to offer.
Man, I don't see it Peen. While last year wasn't optimal, I think that had a lot more to do with his shoulder and groin than it did any sort of polish wearing off. His line drive percentage was the lowest of his career (16.3% v. 20.4% for his career) as was his BABIP (.276 v. .317 career) and both of those figures can be attributed to an injury far more likely than a cliff-dive by someone his age.
Not that I wouldn't be interested to hear some offers myself. As Ingraham wrote 2 months ago:
This much we know for sure: Sizemore has signed his last contract with the Indians. There is no reason to believe when Sizemore becomes a free agent after the 2012 season he won't leave whatever team he is with and sign a monstrous contract with one of the big-market teams...
With Sizemore, the only question remaining is exactly when the Indians will trade him. It won't be in 2010, regardless of how good or bad the team is.
It more likely will be in the middle of the 2011 season, if that season unfolds the way this one did. If the Indians stay in the race for all of 2011, Sizemore will likely stay on the team for the duration.
Failing all that, at some point before or during the 2012 season, he will be traded for a package of prospects. Guaranteed.
His salary in 2012 will be $10.5 million. On the free agent market, at age 29, still in the prime of his career, he figures to command a huge contract, a contract only a big-market team could afford.
So the Indians are on the clock with Sizemore. And the ticking of that clock became a lot quicker with the events of this season and, by extension, next season.
If they can't field a winner in 2011, Sizemore will be traded by the All-Star break.
And the countdown to the end of the Michael Brantley era will begin.
Now that already has Yankee fans talking, naturally:
With the Indians looking primed to be a losing club for the duration of Sizemore’s contract, it might make sense for the Yankees to attempt and blow them away with a deal now...Of course, as with any move, the question is the cost. Any deal would almost certainly start with Phil Hughes, Austin Jackson, Zach McCallister, and Austin Romine, and might require some more arms to fill out the package. While I am loathe to give up prospects like those, Sizemore is an exceptional talent who would fit seamlessly into the pantheon of great Yankee center fielders.
Personally, I gladly hold on to the guy unless clearly blown out of the water by an offer.
http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2009/0...s/nh1416929.txt
http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/?p=7378
Beanpot
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BTW, Nick Cafardo at the Globe mentions that the Indians are trying to move Wood:
Kerry Wood, P, Indians - Cleveland is looking for someone to take Wood, who will earn $10.5 million this season and could have an $11 million option vest should he finish 55 games. He finished 50 last season, so the Indians avoided that disaster. Wood had 20 saves in 58 appearances and struck out 63 in 55 innings. Could he rebound on a better team, with his velocity still in the high 90s?
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/arti...wolf/?page=full
Beanpot
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And here's today's Pluto:
About the Tribe ...
1. Nearly as important as the selection of Manny Acta as manager is Tim Belcher as pitching coach. The pick was obviously influenced by the front office, where Belcher has been the special assistant to baseball operations for the past eight years. He sometimes served as a roving minor-league pitching coach and helped former Tribe pitching coach Carl Willis in spring training. He also did some advance scouting of other teams in the majors, and wrote evaluations of Tribe minor-leaguers.
2. Adding to Belcher's background is his 14 years pitching in the majors (146-140, 4.12 ERA) from 1987 to 2000, which should give him credibility with the players. But we've never seen Belcher coach a single staff for an entire season at any level. Belcher is handed a staff with a 5.06 ERA -- second highest in the AL. That 5.06 ERA also is the second-highest in team history.
3. When Eric Wedge was hired as manager in 2003, his first pitching coach was not Willis. It was Mike Brown, the team's minor-league pitching coordinator. Brown was the choice of the front office. Wedge wanted Willis, who had coached in the minors with him. Wedge and Brown clashed, and Brown was replaced by Willis in the middle of spring training. Acta and the front office are working together on the coaching staff. Class AAA Columbus hitting coach Jon Nunnally is a serious contender to take the same job with the Tribe.
4. It makes sense to promote some of your best from the minors (Nunnally) or someone who seems to have a varied and strong pitching background (Belcher) from your organization. But the Indians also need some coaches from outside the organization. In Washington, Acta's first bench coach was former Tribe, Rangers and Phillies manager Pat Corrales. Some health concerns led to Corrales retiring, but then Acta hired former big league manager Jim Riggleman. They need an experienced guy like that for this staff.
5. What AL team had the lowest ERA in 2009 at 3.87? It was Seattle, where the pitching coach was ... Rick Adair? That's right, the same Rick Adair who was the Tribe's pitching coach in 1992-93. He also was a Tigers pitching coach, and has spent a ton of time in the minors coaching for different teams. This was his first season in Seattle. After Seattle was Chicago with a 4.14 ERA. Don Cooper has been their pitching coach since 2002, and he has been with the White Sox organization for 22 years.
6. Pitching coach Rick Anderson has been with Minnesota since 2002. He coached in their farm system from 1989 to 2001. Former Tribe farm director and assistant general manager John Farrell left Cleveland to be Boston's pitching coach. The point is, these coaches come from different backgrounds. Willis had some good moments, including coaching Cy Young Award winners CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee.
7. From 2004 to 2008, the Indians and Twins were either first or second in the AL in fewest walks. But last season, the Indians' staff fell apart long before the trades of Lee and Carl Pavano. Only Kansas City had more walks (600) than Tribe pitchers (598). The Twins had the fewest walks (466).
8. One of Belcher's major projects will be Justin Masterson, who was 1-7 with a 4.80 ERA as a starter with the Tribe. Acquired from Boston in the Victor Martinez deal, Masterson must do two things as a starter: 1. Throw more strikes -- he walked 34 in 541/3 innings. 2. Handle lefties better, as they hit .323 against him. Meanwhile, righties were at .203, second lowest in the AL. The success vs. righties means Masterson has a future in the bullpen, but the Indians desperately need him to start. He also needs to hold runners better, as they were 15-of-21 in stolen bases.
9. I bring up Masterson because he is ignored in all discussion of putting Fausto Carmona back together, what to do with Jeremy Sowers and hoping Jake Westbrook stays healthy. But Masterson is just as critical. At the moment, the Indians have Hector Rondon written in pencil to open the season at Class AAA, but if he has a big spring training, the 21-year-old could make the rotation. Other than Carmona and Westbrook, it's hard to imagine anyone having a spot in the rotation to "lose" in spring training. Next would be Aaron Laffey (7-9, 4.44), David Huff (11-8, 5.61) and Masterson as favorites for the rotation.
10. The bottom line for Belcher is that he takes over a rotation that had a 5.30 ERA, a rotation where Laffey's 4.44 ERA was the lowest of the possible starters in 2009. Here are the other ERAs: Sowers (5.25), Carmona (6.32), Huff (5.61), Masterson (4.55), Carlos Carrasco (8.87). Who knows what to expect from Westbrook? Belcher takes over a rotation that will probably add a veteran starter/reclamation project in the Carl Pavano mode -- although it probably won't be Pavano, who is in line for a multiyear deal somewhere. Here, the Tribe staff needs lots of luck and work.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index....out_quin_1.html
Beanpot
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Do you guys feel the polish is wearing off of Sizemore?? I tend to think it is and think we may be nearing the end of his sell high point.
I for one would be interested to see just what sort of value other teams might be willing to offer.
Do you guys feel the polish is wearing off of Sizemore?? I tend to think it is and think we may be nearing the end of his sell high point.
I for one would be interested to see just what sort of value other teams might be willing to offer.
Only if someone's willing to give up a young ace.
If he's fully healthy, there aren't many position players I'd take over him, and no one's giving up a prospect with his tools to replace him.
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And here's today's Pluto:
About the Tribe ...
1. Nearly as important as the selection of Manny Acta as manager is Tim Belcher as pitching coach. The pick was obviously influenced by the front office, where Belcher has been the special assistant to baseball operations for the past eight years. He sometimes served as a roving minor-league pitching coach and helped former Tribe pitching coach Carl Willis in spring training. He also did some advance scouting of other teams in the majors, and wrote evaluations of Tribe minor-leaguers.
2. Adding to Belcher's background is his 14 years pitching in the majors (146-140, 4.12 ERA) from 1987 to 2000, which should give him credibility with the players. But we've never seen Belcher coach a single staff for an entire season at any level. Belcher is handed a staff with a 5.06 ERA -- second highest in the AL. That 5.06 ERA also is the second-highest in team history.
3. When Eric Wedge was hired as manager in 2003, his first pitching coach was not Willis. It was Mike Brown, the team's minor-league pitching coordinator. Brown was the choice of the front office. Wedge wanted Willis, who had coached in the minors with him. Wedge and Brown clashed, and Brown was replaced by Willis in the middle of spring training. Acta and the front office are working together on the coaching staff. Class AAA Columbus hitting coach Jon Nunnally is a serious contender to take the same job with the Tribe.
4. It makes sense to promote some of your best from the minors (Nunnally) or someone who seems to have a varied and strong pitching background (Belcher) from your organization. But the Indians also need some coaches from outside the organization. In Washington, Acta's first bench coach was former Tribe, Rangers and Phillies manager Pat Corrales. Some health concerns led to Corrales retiring, but then Acta hired former big league manager Jim Riggleman. They need an experienced guy like that for this staff.
5. What AL team had the lowest ERA in 2009 at 3.87? It was Seattle, where the pitching coach was ... Rick Adair? That's right, the same Rick Adair who was the Tribe's pitching coach in 1992-93. He also was a Tigers pitching coach, and has spent a ton of time in the minors coaching for different teams. This was his first season in Seattle. After Seattle was Chicago with a 4.14 ERA. Don Cooper has been their pitching coach since 2002, and he has been with the White Sox organization for 22 years.
6. Pitching coach Rick Anderson has been with Minnesota since 2002. He coached in their farm system from 1989 to 2001. Former Tribe farm director and assistant general manager John Farrell left Cleveland to be Boston's pitching coach. The point is, these coaches come from different backgrounds. Willis had some good moments, including coaching Cy Young Award winners CC Sabathia and Cliff Lee.
7. From 2004 to 2008, the Indians and Twins were either first or second in the AL in fewest walks. But last season, the Indians' staff fell apart long before the trades of Lee and Carl Pavano. Only Kansas City had more walks (600) than Tribe pitchers (598). The Twins had the fewest walks (466).
8. One of Belcher's major projects will be Justin Masterson, who was 1-7 with a 4.80 ERA as a starter with the Tribe. Acquired from Boston in the Victor Martinez deal, Masterson must do two things as a starter: 1. Throw more strikes -- he walked 34 in 541/3 innings. 2. Handle lefties better, as they hit .323 against him. Meanwhile, righties were at .203, second lowest in the AL. The success vs. righties means Masterson has a future in the bullpen, but the Indians desperately need him to start. He also needs to hold runners better, as they were 15-of-21 in stolen bases.
9. I bring up Masterson because he is ignored in all discussion of putting Fausto Carmona back together, what to do with Jeremy Sowers and hoping Jake Westbrook stays healthy. But Masterson is just as critical. At the moment, the Indians have Hector Rondon written in pencil to open the season at Class AAA, but if he has a big spring training, the 21-year-old could make the rotation. Other than Carmona and Westbrook, it's hard to imagine anyone having a spot in the rotation to "lose" in spring training. Next would be Aaron Laffey (7-9, 4.44), David Huff (11-8, 5.61) and Masterson as favorites for the rotation.
10. The bottom line for Belcher is that he takes over a rotation that had a 5.30 ERA, a rotation where Laffey's 4.44 ERA was the lowest of the possible starters in 2009. Here are the other ERAs: Sowers (5.25), Carmona (6.32), Huff (5.61), Masterson (4.55), Carlos Carrasco (8.87). Who knows what to expect from Westbrook? Belcher takes over a rotation that will probably add a veteran starter/reclamation project in the Carl Pavano mode -- although it probably won't be Pavano, who is in line for a multiyear deal somewhere. Here, the Tribe staff needs lots of luck and work.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index....out_quin_1.html
Beanpot
And here's today's Pluto:
Good article, but I think the most important stat for this staff isn't ERA, but the walks. Fausto and Masterson were over 5 per 9 innings. Laffey and Sowers were right around 4. Huff was only around 3, but definitely had some control problems.
As long as the guys are working from ahead in the count, and being able to last more than 5 or 6 innings per start, it'll be an upgrade from last year.
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Here's a pretty cool look at the new stadium entering our division - Target Field:
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/...our/index.shtml
Beanpot
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Tis the season for projections. Here are two for Sizemore, from Bill James and the well respected Sean (CHONE):
AB: 574 H: 156 2B: 35 3B: 6 HR: 25 R: 101 RBI: 78 SB: 21 AVG: .272
AB: 525 H: 145 2B: 32 3B: 5 HR: 24 R: 95 RBI: 70 SB: 20 AVG: .276
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playe...amp;position=OF
http://www.baseballprojection.com/2010/CLE2010.htm
Beanpot
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Olney had this blurb about Wood today:
Kerry Wood is available for trade, after an odd season in which he had very little opportunity to do what he was hired to do by the Indians -- to close out games. He had 20 saves in 26 chances, striking out 63 in 55 innings, while walking 28. One talent evaluator who saw him last season thinks throwing the cut fastball has been a bad thing for Wood. "A lot of pitchers are going to the cutter, but I think in his case, I don't understand," said the evaluator. "He throws 97 mph, and he looked like he lost the feel for his curveball."
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index...me=olney_buster
Beanpot
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Any one have information on a post hole digger for a small CUT. I have on order a JD 2305 and would like to put some arbs in the ground with it.
Any one have information on a post hole digger for a small CUT. I have on order a JD 2305 and would like to put some arbs in the ground with it.
Thanks for that, lon-k. This continues a recent trend of posts like this that are copied from other forums around the net (this one came from 2/17/2007 at a site called mytractorforum.com). Any one have any idea why this stuff happens? Has to be some benefit for someone, right? I'm just missing the angle.
http://www.mytractorforum.com/showthread.php?t=38876
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