RUMOR: On Sportstalk Cleveland
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
we dont need someone to find talent mangini does that just fine(see NY Jets, and don't say that was tannenbaums doing hes a lawyer FFS) All Casserly will be doing is being the face of the organization and take some of the heat and work off Mangini's shoulders.when i say someone that finds talent.....maybe it's the wrong term.
i'm talking Steelers and Patriots... they KNOW who they want and they find players that work.
The steelers take rookies and undrafted players (Mewelde Moore, Mike Wallace) and turn them into solid players for their team.
The pats do the same. (Where did Welker come from? Cassell? Edeleman? They had a guy they signed last week playing on sunday night)
whatever it takes to get to THAT level... scouting, GM, coaching, whatever... that's what i want.
when i say someone that finds talent.....maybe it's the wrong term.
i'm talking Steelers and Patriots... they KNOW who they want and they find players that work.
The steelers take rookies and undrafted players (Mewelde Moore, Mike Wallace) and turn them into solid players for their team.
The pats do the same. (Where did Welker come from? Cassell? Edeleman? They had a guy they signed last week playing on sunday night)
whatever it takes to get to THAT level... scouting, GM, coaching, whatever... that's what i want.
For the Squeelers its some guy named HGH
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Formerly Stone said:
It must suck to go through life as such a bitter little personIt must suck to hang out on the Browns Board being a Steeler fag. No friends in Squeeler boards?
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Formerly Stone said:
It must suck to go through life as such a bitter little personActually Stoner, Pumpkin is hung quite well. Surprised you didn't know that by now.
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Casserly is a great football guy..he is the one who had balls to pass on reggie bush as he knew he was not the NFL player everyon eassumed..and locked in mario williams...of redskin history speaks for itself...
Owen Daniels may be the best TE in the NFL right now...
this guy i a REAL nfl GM...
he does lack QB skills...but as many have pointed out even as recently as last night on movethesticks.com QBs are crap shoots and its luck to hit on one that high....
Ron wolf used to draft one every year in round 6 or 7 and would hit on 1 out of 4 that show he drafted his QBs...interesting draft style..
I have No idea who he likes for coaches though?...
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Charlie Casserly MAY be hired as the new Cleveland Browns President & GM within the next 72 hours. Nothing is confirmed but that's what we are hearing - STORY DEVELOPING
Thought i would post this rumor for people.
Charlie Casserly MAY be hired as the new Cleveland Browns President & GM within the next 72 hours. Nothing is confirmed but that's what we are hearing - STORY DEVELOPING
Thought i would post this rumor for people.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
"God is great. Beer is good. People are crazy." -
Are we truly being honest with ourselves when we try and evaluate the quality of a GM by his draft picks. My point is this. It's a total crap shoot. And IMO, with kids coming out of college with only 2 or 3 years behind and the the lure of huge paydays has me to believe that this makes drafting all the harder.
A prime example is Crabtree. Sure he hasn't played yet I know that.. But the idiot held out, even gave thought to getting back into next years draft, only to sign for what was originally offered. This Crabtree isn't about playing he is about payday and IMO, that make drafting him all the more or a risk. These kids play hard for 2 - 4 years for a payday, get to the pro's and quit. 20 years ago, players came out of college and played, the lure of huge contracts was not there. Now all you have to do is be a marketable player in college and you can be handed a life changing sum of money that most of us could retire on for the rest of our life.
They can be great in college, yet today horrible standards of cutting large checks makes drafting better NFL players even harder.
Just wanted to get that off my chest. I want a seasoned football guy who as our GM.
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Are we truly being honest with ourselves when we try and evaluate the quality of a GM by his draft picks. My point is this. It's a total crap shoot. And IMO, with kids coming out of college with only 2 or 3 years behind and the the lure of huge paydays has me to believe that this makes drafting all the harder.
A prime example is Crabtree. Sure he hasn't played yet I know that.. But the idiot held out, even gave thought to getting back into next years draft, only to sign for what was originally offered. This Crabtree isn't about playing he is about payday and IMO, that make drafting him all the more or a risk. These kids play hard for 2 - 4 years for a payday, get to the pro's and quit. 20 years ago, players came out of college and played, the lure of huge contracts was not there. Now all you have to do is be a marketable player in college and you can be handed a life changing sum of money that most of us could retire on for the rest of our life.
They can be great in college, yet today horrible standards of cutting large checks makes drafting better NFL players even harder.
Just wanted to get that off my chest. I want a seasoned football guy who as our GM.
Are we truly being honest with ourselves when we try and evaluate the quality of a GM by his draft picks. My point is this. It's a total crap shoot. And IMO, with kids coming out of college with only 2 or 3 years behind and the the lure of huge paydays has me to believe that this makes drafting all the harder.
A prime example is Crabtree. Sure he hasn't played yet I know that.. But the idiot held out, even gave thought to getting back into next years draft, only to sign for what was originally offered. This Crabtree isn't about playing he is about payday and IMO, that make drafting him all the more or a risk. These kids play hard for 2 - 4 years for a payday, get to the pro's and quit. 20 years ago, players came out of college and played, the lure of huge contracts was not there. Now all you have to do is be a marketable player in college and you can be handed a life changing sum of money that most of us could retire on for the rest of our life.
They can be great in college, yet today horrible standards of cutting large checks makes drafting better NFL players even harder.
Just wanted to get that off my chest. I want a seasoned football guy who as our GM.
That might be the reason he would be unsuccessful. He won those Superbowls 20 years ago? The mindset of the players today might be clouding the mindset of his drafting ability? Just a thought.
I do agree we need a seasoned GM. None of this, "I kissed Belichecks ass so I must know football" people.
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Formerly Stone said:
Hey there Wiffer, I'm sure you are quite familiar with how the members here are hung.just in case you were wondering (and i'm sure most of you were), the answer is yes: i do dwarf most thorough breads.
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Whew!!!!!!!!!
Dare we dream for 7 and 9??
WSS
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Sadly WSS that is a dream becase 7-9 would mean we can at least compete at the NFL level...ill take it.
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and owen daniels and mario williams please...
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here's my biggest concern: is lerner really about to hire another guy after only interiewing one person? it sounds like it considering we haven't heard too much out of berea. it sounds like it could be another situation where he focuses on bringing in one person and is blinded by his infatuation with that person; even if he is a proven loser ala mangini. my hope is that he took his time and took people's interviews and advice seriously. however, after the last 6 years of this incompetence, i wouldn't be surprised to see he proved me right.
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Charlie Casserly MAY be hired as the new Cleveland Browns President & GM within the next 72 hours. Nothing is confirmed but that's what we are hearing - STORY DEVELOPING
Thought i would post this rumor for people.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
Shanahan is looking to coach.
How do you know the others aren't interested??
Casserly is a solid football guy. He knows what it takes and has been through the wringer...I would welcome the hire.
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didn't they already/aren't they also speaking to Holmgreen this week?
that's more than one. we're getting there.
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Don't like it.
He didn't do shit for the Texans.
Don't like it.
He didn't do shit for the Texans.
disagree...Um...he took williams instead of Bush and young and got canned for it...look who is laughing now! Best name so far associated with the czar position IMO
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Don't like it.
He didn't do shit for the Texans.
disagree...Um...he took williams instead of Bush and young and got canned for it...look who is laughing now! Best name so far associated with the czar position IMO
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Formerly Stone said:
The talk outside of Cleveland is that Holmgren said thanks but no thanks. The problem is that 90% of what you hear in the NFL is flat out lies, but trust me, you would know if a gaggle of good people were interested in this job. Nobody is and it's because of Lerner's track record.Plain and simple?......a clean slate is a clean slate! Mangini could turn out to be the next Belichick but as of now, he is just a mark on the slate.
Wow I don't know about that. Money talks. So does Ego. Someone will want to prove that They can turn this franchise around. Lerner does not have a bad track record. Kokinis is the first person he's fired before giving them 4 years, and he was fired for cause.
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Another rumor, hunh? At least this one might be good news if it pans out.
We'll see.
Mike
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Formerly Stone said:
The talk outside of Cleveland is that Holmgren said thanks but no thanks. The problem is that 90% of what you hear in the NFL is flat out lies, but trust me, you would know if a gaggle of good people were interested in this job. Nobody is and it's because of Lerner's track record.Plain and simple?......a clean slate is a clean slate! Mangini could turn out to be the next Belichick but as of now, he is just a mark on the slate.
I think the fact is that it is just too early. Until the season is over we won't know who they are interested in really pursuing, or in who may be pursuing them. I guarantee you that the egos of some people will give them the itch to want to take this job. And Lerner's "track record" will have nothing to do with the decision. If a Billick, or Gruden, or Cowher, or Shanahan, or Holmgren, etc. etc. are interested in taking an NFL job, this one would be as appealing as any out there. A wealthy owner, a good fan base, a ton of draft picks, a great tradition etc. They would leap at the chance.
(But I do agree that 90% of what you hear is lies....or rumors).
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I don't know why it would have to be after the season ends.
It might make sense to bring the guy in ASAP.
Not so much to make changes this year, but as a way to evaluate existing coaches and players and to give the new hire a sense of if he can work with these people or not.
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