RUMOR: On Sportstalk Cleveland
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and owen daniels and mario williams please...
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here's my biggest concern: is lerner really about to hire another guy after only interiewing one person? it sounds like it considering we haven't heard too much out of berea. it sounds like it could be another situation where he focuses on bringing in one person and is blinded by his infatuation with that person; even if he is a proven loser ala mangini. my hope is that he took his time and took people's interviews and advice seriously. however, after the last 6 years of this incompetence, i wouldn't be surprised to see he proved me right.
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Charlie Casserly MAY be hired as the new Cleveland Browns President & GM within the next 72 hours. Nothing is confirmed but that's what we are hearing - STORY DEVELOPING
Thought i would post this rumor for people.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
Shanahan is looking to coach.
How do you know the others aren't interested??
Casserly is a solid football guy. He knows what it takes and has been through the wringer...I would welcome the hire.
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didn't they already/aren't they also speaking to Holmgreen this week?
that's more than one. we're getting there.
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Don't like it.
He didn't do shit for the Texans.
Don't like it.
He didn't do shit for the Texans.
disagree...Um...he took williams instead of Bush and young and got canned for it...look who is laughing now! Best name so far associated with the czar position IMO
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Don't like it.
He didn't do shit for the Texans.
disagree...Um...he took williams instead of Bush and young and got canned for it...look who is laughing now! Best name so far associated with the czar position IMO
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Formerly Stone said:
The talk outside of Cleveland is that Holmgren said thanks but no thanks. The problem is that 90% of what you hear in the NFL is flat out lies, but trust me, you would know if a gaggle of good people were interested in this job. Nobody is and it's because of Lerner's track record.Plain and simple?......a clean slate is a clean slate! Mangini could turn out to be the next Belichick but as of now, he is just a mark on the slate.
Wow I don't know about that. Money talks. So does Ego. Someone will want to prove that They can turn this franchise around. Lerner does not have a bad track record. Kokinis is the first person he's fired before giving them 4 years, and he was fired for cause.
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Another rumor, hunh? At least this one might be good news if it pans out.
We'll see.
Mike
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Formerly Stone said:
The talk outside of Cleveland is that Holmgren said thanks but no thanks. The problem is that 90% of what you hear in the NFL is flat out lies, but trust me, you would know if a gaggle of good people were interested in this job. Nobody is and it's because of Lerner's track record.Plain and simple?......a clean slate is a clean slate! Mangini could turn out to be the next Belichick but as of now, he is just a mark on the slate.
I think the fact is that it is just too early. Until the season is over we won't know who they are interested in really pursuing, or in who may be pursuing them. I guarantee you that the egos of some people will give them the itch to want to take this job. And Lerner's "track record" will have nothing to do with the decision. If a Billick, or Gruden, or Cowher, or Shanahan, or Holmgren, etc. etc. are interested in taking an NFL job, this one would be as appealing as any out there. A wealthy owner, a good fan base, a ton of draft picks, a great tradition etc. They would leap at the chance.
(But I do agree that 90% of what you hear is lies....or rumors).
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I don't know why it would have to be after the season ends.
It might make sense to bring the guy in ASAP.
Not so much to make changes this year, but as a way to evaluate existing coaches and players and to give the new hire a sense of if he can work with these people or not.
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I don't know why it would have to be after the season ends.
It might make sense to bring the guy in ASAP.
Not so much to make changes this year, but as a way to evaluate existing coaches and players and to give the new hire a sense of if he can work with these people or not.
I don't know why it would have to be after the season ends.
It might make sense to bring the guy in ASAP.
Not so much to make changes this year, but as a way to evaluate existing coaches and players and to give the new hire a sense of if he can work with these people or not.
and to get a good scouting department set up and start scouting the layers coming out in the draft.
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The real reason to wait until the season ends is simply to allow Mangini time. Lerner will not want to be seen as dumping a guy he just hired. He will wait things out until the end of the season. He will hire his Football Czar who will then be given free reign, assumably, to hire/fire whomever he wants, including the HC.
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I don't know why it would have to be after the season ends.
It might make sense to bring the guy in ASAP.
Not so much to make changes this year, but as a way to evaluate existing coaches and players and to give the new hire a sense of if he can work with these people or not.
and to get a good scouting department set up and start scouting the layers coming out in the draft.
and to get a good scouting department set up and start scouting the layers coming out in the draft.
He won't be able to do much with the scouting department now. Almost all of the games have been played except bowl games. He is almost completely dependent upon the system which was set up by Mangini and Kokinis. You might watch some bowl games with a different perspective but many of the sleepers won't be playing in bowl games. If the scouts have video clips of different players that might help him a lot.
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Dawgfanforever88 said:
we dont need someone to find talent mangini does that just fine(see NY Jets, and don't say that was tannenbaums doing hes a lawyer FFS) All Casserly will be doing is being the face of the organization and take some of the heat and work off Mangini's shoulders.when i say someone that finds talent.....maybe it's the wrong term.
i'm talking Steelers and Patriots... they KNOW who they want and they find players that work.
The steelers take rookies and undrafted players (Mewelde Moore, Mike Wallace) and turn them into solid players for their team.
The pats do the same. (Where did Welker come from? Cassell? Edeleman? They had a guy they signed last week playing on sunday night)
whatever it takes to get to THAT level... scouting, GM, coaching, whatever... that's what i want.
when i say someone that finds talent.....maybe it's the wrong term.
i'm talking Steelers and Patriots... they KNOW who they want and they find players that work.
The steelers take rookies and undrafted players (Mewelde Moore, Mike Wallace) and turn them into solid players for their team.
The pats do the same. (Where did Welker come from? Cassell? Edeleman? They had a guy they signed last week playing on sunday night)
whatever it takes to get to THAT level... scouting, GM, coaching, whatever... that's what i want.
don't give the Steelers too much credit for Mewelde Moore. He played for the Vikings for a few years first.
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Are we truly being honest with ourselves when we try and evaluate the quality of a GM by his draft picks. My point is this. It's a total crap shoot. And IMO, with kids coming out of college with only 2 or 3 years behind and the the lure of huge paydays has me to believe that this makes drafting all the harder.
A prime example is Crabtree. Sure he hasn't played yet I know that.. But the idiot held out, even gave thought to getting back into next years draft, only to sign for what was originally offered. This Crabtree isn't about playing he is about payday and IMO, that make drafting him all the more or a risk. These kids play hard for 2 - 4 years for a payday, get to the pro's and quit. 20 years ago, players came out of college and played, the lure of huge contracts was not there. Now all you have to do is be a marketable player in college and you can be handed a life changing sum of money that most of us could retire on for the rest of our life.
They can be great in college, yet today horrible standards of cutting large checks makes drafting better NFL players even harder.
Just wanted to get that off my chest. I want a seasoned football guy who as our GM.
A prime example is Crabtree. Sure he hasn't played yet I know that..
Crabtree has played in, and I believe started, at least 3 or 4 games now.
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Formerly Stone said:
The talk outside of Cleveland is that Holmgren said thanks but no thanks. The problem is that 90% of what you hear in the NFL is flat out lies, but trust me, you would know if a gaggle of good people were interested in this job. Nobody is and it's because of Lerner's track record.Plain and simple?......a clean slate is a clean slate! Mangini could turn out to be the next Belichick but as of now, he is just a mark on the slate.
I think the fact is that it is just too early. Until the season is over we won't know who they are interested in really pursuing, or in who may be pursuing them. I guarantee you that the egos of some people will give them the itch to want to take this job. And Lerner's "track record" will have nothing to do with the decision. If a Billick, or Gruden, or Cowher, or Shanahan, or Holmgren, etc. etc. are interested in taking an NFL job, this one would be as appealing as any out there. A wealthy owner, a good fan base, a ton of draft picks, a great tradition etc. They would leap at the chance.
(But I do agree that 90% of what you hear is lies....or rumors).
I think the fact is that it is just too early. Until the season is over we won't know who they are interested in really pursuing, or in who may be pursuing them.
where'd you get that info? Everything I've been reading has been saying they want to get this Czar or Guru in before December, so they can evaluate Mangini.
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I think the fact is that it is just too early. Until the season is over we won't know who they are interested in really pursuing, or in who may be pursuing them.
where'd you get that info? Everything I've been reading has been saying they want to get this Czar or Guru in before December, so they can evaluate Mangini.
where'd you get that info? Everything I've been reading has been saying they want to get this Czar or Guru in before December, so they can evaluate Mangini.
Well, that may be true. What I guess I am saying is that Mangenious WILL coach out the season. If they do pick someone now, it would only be on a "consultancy" basis, to do, as you say "evaluation". They would have no authority to make moves probably until the end of the season. Then they will be hired "officially" as Director of Football Operations or whatever title Lerner wants to give the guy (assuming it is a guy....any women candidates?....I didn't think so)
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This is odd that we cant get any top performers for the job, is it that Mangini really sucks that bad with his management and people skills?
If so this is pitiful.
crap
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Here are Casserly's drafts in Houston. Though a subjective exercise, I've colored green the picks I've judged to be good ones, the bad ones red, and the the debatable ones black.
Ironically, his best draft came in '06, when he was already a dead man walking in Houston. After the hiring of Gary Kubiak as head coach, it was assumed that Casserly wouldn't survive long past the '06 draft; in fact, there's been some back & forth as to who actually decided to pass on Reggie Bush, taking Mario Williams instead.
But besides that draft, I don't see much positive from Casserly's time in Houston.
2002:
1 David Carr QB Fresno St.
2 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 Chester Pitts OG San Diego St.
3 Fred Weary OL Tennessee
3 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 Jonathan Wells HB Ohio St.
5 Jarrod Baxter FB New Mexico
5 Ramone Walker S Pittsburgh
6 DeMarcus Faggins CB Kansas St.
6 Howard Green DT LSU
7 Greg "Stylez" White DE Minnesota
7 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV
2003:
1 Andre Johnson WR Miami
2 Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
3 Antwan Peek OLB Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand OT NW Missouri St.
3 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 Domanick Davis HB LSU
6 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 Keith Wright DE Missouri
7 Curry Burns S Louisville
7 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2004:
1 Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
1 Jason Babin DE W. Michigan
4 Glenn Earl S Notre Dame
6 Vontez Duff CB Notre Dame
6 Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
6 Charlie Anderson DE Ole Miss
7 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2005:
1 Travis Johnson DT Florida St.
3 Vernand Morency HB Oklahoma St.
4 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
5 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona St.
6 C.C. Brown S La. Lafayette
7 Kenneth Pettway OLB Grambling
2006:
1 Mario Williams DE NC State
2 DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State
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