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This is odd that we cant get any top performers for the job, is it that Mangini really sucks that bad with his management and people skills?
If so this is pitiful.
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This is odd that we cant get any top performers for the job, is it that Mangini really sucks that bad with his management and people skills?
If so this is pitiful.
crap
If any perspective GM reads this board he would be afraid to take the job. The most likely GM is someone who feels the reward of getting a GM job is worth the risk. There are only two guys in football that I would hand all of the keys over and say "It's your car, turn us into a winner" These two are BB and Parcells
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Formerly Stone said:
Do you honestly believe that it's due to Mangini? It has nothing to do with Mangini and everything to do with the big picture. The only way a big name comes to Cleveland is if Lerner can do three things....no strings (or head coaches) attached.1. A long term commitment and plan which the new "big name" guy can fall in love with.
2. Complete, unequivocal, control with Lerner as a silent owner.
3. A perfectly clean slate for the new "big name" guy to start with.
Agreed. I honestly feel that Lerner is not an interfering owner, & that's a huge plus for a new guy coming in. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.
Mike
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Here are Casserly's drafts in Houston. Though a subjective exercise, I've colored green the picks I've judged to be good ones, the bad ones red, and the the debatable ones black.
Ironically, his best draft came in '06, when he was already a dead man walking in Houston. After the hiring of Gary Kubiak as head coach, it was assumed that Casserly wouldn't survive long past the '06 draft; in fact, there's been some back & forth as to who actually decided to pass on Reggie Bush, taking Mario Williams instead.
But besides that draft, I don't see much positive from Casserly's time in Houston.
2002:
1 David Carr QB Fresno St.
2 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 Chester Pitts OG San Diego St.
3 Fred Weary OL Tennessee
3 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 Jonathan Wells HB Ohio St.
5 Jarrod Baxter FB New Mexico
5 Ramone Walker S Pittsburgh
6 DeMarcus Faggins CB Kansas St.
6 Howard Green DT LSU
7 Greg "Stylez" White DE Minnesota
7 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV
2003:
1 Andre Johnson WR Miami
2 Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
3 Antwan Peek OLB Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand OT NW Missouri St.
3 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 Domanick Davis HB LSU
6 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 Keith Wright DE Missouri
7 Curry Burns S Louisville
7 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2004:
1 Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
1 Jason Babin DE W. Michigan
4 Glenn Earl S Notre Dame
6 Vontez Duff CB Notre Dame
6 Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
6 Charlie Anderson DE Ole Miss
7 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2005:
1 Travis Johnson DT Florida St.
3 Vernand Morency HB Oklahoma St.
4 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
5 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona St.
6 C.C. Brown S La. Lafayette
7 Kenneth Pettway OLB Grambling
2006:
1 Mario Williams DE NC State
2 DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State
God dmn.....that's a fkin dream compared to our draft history since 99'
God dmn.....that's a fkin dream compared to our draft history since 99'
Since it's apparently easy to criticize the drafting of a prospective GM, I'm curious. Can any of you Googlemeisters locate the ideal candidate for us based on draft history?
Woof Woof, Kathy http://cognitivemanifesto.com/ http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=49&officeID=9 Bendix ESP -
Rumor has it that the Browns might win a Super Bowl sometime..just a rumor though
I can't believe you would post something so ridiculous.
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I can't believe you would post something so ridiculous.
Obviously it was a joke but, "you go girl".
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I can't believe you would post something so ridiculous.
Obviously it was a joke but, "you go girl".
Obviously it was a joke but, "you go girl".
I ment my comment to be sarcastic as well.
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Look we can bring in any GM we want but it wont mean **** unless our head case I mean coach gets off his high horse. He wants to bring in his own guys and wont listen to anybody.
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Look we can bring in any GM we want but it wont mean **** unless our head case I mean coach gets off his high horse. He wants to bring in his own guys and wont listen to anybody.
Look we can bring in any GM we want but it wont mean **** unless our head case I mean coach gets off his high horse. He wants to bring in his own guys and wont listen to anybody.
Let's wait and see if that happens or not...whoever we hire will hold the trump card.
But whoever we bring in...it has to also be a case where they can get along with the coach....be in Mangini or someone else. The coach has to have some pretty significant input in to who he wants and what he needs.
Remember Savage and Crennel?? Seemed like Savage brought in guys Romeo didn't want.
When that happens, you end up with rooks on the bench not playing, because no matter what, the coach determines who plays and who sits.
The GM might be able to determine who is on the team and who isn't, but the coach can just decide he isn't playing them and that's that.
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Charlie Casserly MAY be hired as the new Cleveland Browns President & GM within the next 72 hours. Nothing is confirmed but that's what we are hearing - STORY DEVELOPING
Thought i would post this rumor for people.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
The 3 guys you name better than Casserly have NEVER been gm's..they have done some dual role stuff.. actually dungy never was a GM.. so how can you say those guys are better..holmgrens and shannahans draft records got them fired or walking away.
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Lets make Mangini GM, Rob Ryan HC, Crennel DC, Savage director of scouts, Kokinis director of pro personel, and when Weis gets fired for Notre Dame he can be the OC.
Were already paying all these guys except Weis, it seems logical and really actually intriging to me.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
Lets make Mangini GM, Rob Ryan HC, Crennel DC, Savage director of scouts, Kokinis director of pro personel, and when Weis gets fired for Notre Dame he can be the OC.
Were already paying all these guys except Weis, it seems logical and really actually intriging to me.
nmills said:
Lets make Mangini GM, Rob Ryan HC, Crennel DC, Savage director of scouts, Kokinis director of pro personel, and when Weis gets fired for Notre Dame he can be the OC.Were already paying all these guys except Weis, it seems logical and really actually intriging to me.
I like the way you think.
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Lets make Mangini GM, Rob Ryan HC, Crennel DC, Savage director of scouts, Kokinis director of pro personel, and when Weis gets fired for Notre Dame he can be the OC.
Were already paying all these guys except Weis, it seems logical and really actually intriging to me.
nmills said:
Lets make Mangini GM, Rob Ryan HC, Crennel DC, Savage director of scouts, Kokinis director of pro personel, and when Weis gets fired for Notre Dame he can be the OC.Were already paying all these guys except Weis, it seems logical and really actually intriging to me.
LOVE IT!!! Add mike mayock as lone draft czar!!
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Charlie Casserly MAY be hired as the new Cleveland Browns President & GM within the next 72 hours. Nothing is confirmed but that's what we are hearing - STORY DEVELOPING
Thought i would post this rumor for people.
Charlie Casserly MAY be hired as the new Cleveland Browns President & GM within the next 72 hours. Nothing is confirmed but that's what we are hearing - STORY DEVELOPING
Thought i would post this rumor for people.
YUCK! Knee jerk 101 dejavue.
Anyone want to tell me why that franchise is JUST starting to look worthy of the NFL in 2009? Is it because the goofball is gone?
If Lerner hires this clown - I'm done considering this new millenium gypsy act as the Cleveland Browns. Are you FREAKING kidding me?
Does ANYONE want to hold this Randy accountable for once? We're 10 years from decency if this hire unfolds. And we'll be wasting so much time pretending it's as simple as 1 OC or 1 Head Coach sucking.
- Tom F.
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