RUMOR: On Sportstalk Cleveland
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This is odd that we cant get any top performers for the job, is it that Mangini really sucks that bad with his management and people skills?
If so this is pitiful.
crap
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Here are Casserly's drafts in Houston. Though a subjective exercise, I've colored green the picks I've judged to be good ones, the bad ones red, and the the debatable ones black.
Ironically, his best draft came in '06, when he was already a dead man walking in Houston. After the hiring of Gary Kubiak as head coach, it was assumed that Casserly wouldn't survive long past the '06 draft; in fact, there's been some back & forth as to who actually decided to pass on Reggie Bush, taking Mario Williams instead.
But besides that draft, I don't see much positive from Casserly's time in Houston.
2002:
1 David Carr QB Fresno St.
2 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 Chester Pitts OG San Diego St.
3 Fred Weary OL Tennessee
3 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 Jonathan Wells HB Ohio St.
5 Jarrod Baxter FB New Mexico
5 Ramone Walker S Pittsburgh
6 DeMarcus Faggins CB Kansas St.
6 Howard Green DT LSU
7 Greg "Stylez" White DE Minnesota
7 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV
2003:
1 Andre Johnson WR Miami
2 Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
3 Antwan Peek OLB Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand OT NW Missouri St.
3 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 Domanick Davis HB LSU
6 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 Keith Wright DE Missouri
7 Curry Burns S Louisville
7 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2004:
1 Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
1 Jason Babin DE W. Michigan
4 Glenn Earl S Notre Dame
6 Vontez Duff CB Notre Dame
6 Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
6 Charlie Anderson DE Ole Miss
7 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2005:
1 Travis Johnson DT Florida St.
3 Vernand Morency HB Oklahoma St.
4 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
5 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona St.
6 C.C. Brown S La. Lafayette
7 Kenneth Pettway OLB Grambling
2006:
1 Mario Williams DE NC State
2 DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State
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where'd you get that info? Everything I've been reading has been saying they want to get this Czar or Guru in before December, so they can evaluate Mangini.
Well, that may be true. What I guess I am saying is that Mangenious WILL coach out the season. If they do pick someone now, it would only be on a "consultancy" basis, to do, as you say "evaluation". They would have no authority to make moves probably until the end of the season. Then they will be hired "officially" as Director of Football Operations or whatever title Lerner wants to give the guy (assuming it is a guy....any women candidates?....I didn't think so)
Well, that may be true. What I guess I am saying is that Mangenious WILL coach out the season. If they do pick someone now, it would only be on a "consultancy" basis, to do, as you say "evaluation". They would have no authority to make moves probably until the end of the season. Then they will be hired "officially" as Director of Football Operations or whatever title Lerner wants to give the guy (assuming it is a guy....any women candidates?....I didn't think so)
Nobody...at least I didn't say Mangini wouldn't finish out the season if someone is brought in now.
The positives of bringing the person on board ASAP....assuming it is the guy Lerner really wants...far outweigh waiting.
If Casserly as an example is the guy Lerner wants, bring him on now. It gives Mangini a fair shake in his eventual evaluation, and gives Casserly(again, assuming) a fair shake in giving him enough time to really evaluate the guy.
Everybody seems to assume Mangini is toast and he has zero chance of sticking. If Casserly decides to keep mangini, would it not be better for him to be able to make that announcement having actually worked with the guy a month or so during game conditions rather than walk in and make that announcement after 1-2 weeks on the job?
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Its interesting that everyone wants a "tried and tested" GM but in reality all they really want is good draft picks.
gets to my point............How is Bernie Kosar not qualified to pick Clay Mathews/Maclin /Rey Rey.
Kosar has the fans trust and unlike any coach brought in he will be here in 10 years.
Bitchin you have no talent is ludicrous......Mangini traded easily your best two playmakers on offense..........for what ..a bag of coal and a few jets players.
Tell me Bernie couldnt have got more than that.
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Bernie wasn't coaching the jets.
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Its interesting that everyone wants a "tried and tested" GM but in reality all they really want is good draft picks.
gets to my point............How is Bernie Kosar not qualified to pick Clay Mathews/Maclin /Rey Rey.
Picking players is a fairly small role in a GM's overall responsibility. Communication and the ability to forecast are just as important.
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Here are Casserly's drafts in Houston. Though a subjective exercise, I've colored green the picks I've judged to be good ones, the bad ones red, and the the debatable ones black.
Ironically, his best draft came in '06, when he was already a dead man walking in Houston. After the hiring of Gary Kubiak as head coach, it was assumed that Casserly wouldn't survive long past the '06 draft; in fact, there's been some back & forth as to who actually decided to pass on Reggie Bush, taking Mario Williams instead.
But besides that draft, I don't see much positive from Casserly's time in Houston.
2002:
1 David Carr QB Fresno St.
2 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 Chester Pitts OG San Diego St.
3 Fred Weary OL Tennessee
3 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 Jonathan Wells HB Ohio St.
5 Jarrod Baxter FB New Mexico
5 Ramone Walker S Pittsburgh
6 DeMarcus Faggins CB Kansas St.
6 Howard Green DT LSU
7 Greg "Stylez" White DE Minnesota
7 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV
2003:
1 Andre Johnson WR Miami
2 Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
3 Antwan Peek OLB Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand OT NW Missouri St.
3 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 Domanick Davis HB LSU
6 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 Keith Wright DE Missouri
7 Curry Burns S Louisville
7 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2004:
1 Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
1 Jason Babin DE W. Michigan
4 Glenn Earl S Notre Dame
6 Vontez Duff CB Notre Dame
6 Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
6 Charlie Anderson DE Ole Miss
7 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2005:
1 Travis Johnson DT Florida St.
3 Vernand Morency HB Oklahoma St.
4 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
5 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona St.
6 C.C. Brown S La. Lafayette
7 Kenneth Pettway OLB Grambling
2006:
1 Mario Williams DE NC State
2 DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State
Here are Casserly's drafts in Houston. Though a subjective exercise, I've colored green the picks I've judged to be good ones, the bad ones red, and the the debatable ones black.
Ironically, his best draft came in '06, when he was already a dead man walking in Houston. After the hiring of Gary Kubiak as head coach, it was assumed that Casserly wouldn't survive long past the '06 draft; in fact, there's been some back & forth as to who actually decided to pass on Reggie Bush, taking Mario Williams instead.
But besides that draft, I don't see much positive from Casserly's time in Houston.
2002:
1 David Carr QB Fresno St.
2 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 Chester Pitts OG San Diego St.
3 Fred Weary OL Tennessee
3 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 Jonathan Wells HB Ohio St.
5 Jarrod Baxter FB New Mexico
5 Ramone Walker S Pittsburgh
6 DeMarcus Faggins CB Kansas St.
6 Howard Green DT LSU
7 Greg "Stylez" White DE Minnesota
7 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV
2003:
1 Andre Johnson WR Miami
2 Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
3 Antwan Peek OLB Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand OT NW Missouri St.
3 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 Domanick Davis HB LSU
6 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 Keith Wright DE Missouri
7 Curry Burns S Louisville
7 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2004:
1 Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
1 Jason Babin DE W. Michigan
4 Glenn Earl S Notre Dame
6 Vontez Duff CB Notre Dame
6 Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
6 Charlie Anderson DE Ole Miss
7 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2005:
1 Travis Johnson DT Florida St.
3 Vernand Morency HB Oklahoma St.
4 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
5 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona St.
6 C.C. Brown S La. Lafayette
7 Kenneth Pettway OLB Grambling
2006:
1 Mario Williams DE NC State
2 DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State
God dmn.....that's a fkin dream compared to our draft history since 99'
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This is odd that we cant get any top performers for the job, is it that Mangini really sucks that bad with his management and people skills?
If so this is pitiful.
crap
This is odd that we cant get any top performers for the job, is it that Mangini really sucks that bad with his management and people skills?
If so this is pitiful.
crap
If any perspective GM reads this board he would be afraid to take the job. The most likely GM is someone who feels the reward of getting a GM job is worth the risk. There are only two guys in football that I would hand all of the keys over and say "It's your car, turn us into a winner" These two are BB and Parcells
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Formerly Stone said:
Do you honestly believe that it's due to Mangini? It has nothing to do with Mangini and everything to do with the big picture. The only way a big name comes to Cleveland is if Lerner can do three things....no strings (or head coaches) attached.1. A long term commitment and plan which the new "big name" guy can fall in love with.
2. Complete, unequivocal, control with Lerner as a silent owner.
3. A perfectly clean slate for the new "big name" guy to start with.
Agreed. I honestly feel that Lerner is not an interfering owner, & that's a huge plus for a new guy coming in. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.
Mike
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Here are Casserly's drafts in Houston. Though a subjective exercise, I've colored green the picks I've judged to be good ones, the bad ones red, and the the debatable ones black.
Ironically, his best draft came in '06, when he was already a dead man walking in Houston. After the hiring of Gary Kubiak as head coach, it was assumed that Casserly wouldn't survive long past the '06 draft; in fact, there's been some back & forth as to who actually decided to pass on Reggie Bush, taking Mario Williams instead.
But besides that draft, I don't see much positive from Casserly's time in Houston.
2002:
1 David Carr QB Fresno St.
2 Jabar Gaffney WR Florida
2 Chester Pitts OG San Diego St.
3 Fred Weary OL Tennessee
3 Charles Hill DT Maryland
4 Jonathan Wells HB Ohio St.
5 Jarrod Baxter FB New Mexico
5 Ramone Walker S Pittsburgh
6 DeMarcus Faggins CB Kansas St.
6 Howard Green DT LSU
7 Greg "Stylez" White DE Minnesota
7 Ahmad Miller DT UNLV
2003:
1 Andre Johnson WR Miami
2 Bennie Joppru TE Michigan
3 Antwan Peek OLB Cincinnati
3 Seth Wand OT NW Missouri St.
3 Dave Ragone QB Louisville
4 Domanick Davis HB LSU
6 Drew Henson QB Michigan
6 Keith Wright DE Missouri
7 Curry Burns S Louisville
7 Chance Pearce C Texas A&M
2004:
1 Dunta Robinson CB South Carolina
1 Jason Babin DE W. Michigan
4 Glenn Earl S Notre Dame
6 Vontez Duff CB Notre Dame
6 Jammal Lord RB Nebraska
6 Charlie Anderson DE Ole Miss
7 Raheem Orr DE Rutgers
7 Sloan Thomas WR Texas
7 B.J. Symons QB Texas Tech
2005:
1 Travis Johnson DT Florida St.
3 Vernand Morency HB Oklahoma St.
4 Jerome Mathis WR Hampton
5 Drew Hodgdon C Arizona St.
6 C.C. Brown S La. Lafayette
7 Kenneth Pettway OLB Grambling
2006:
1 Mario Williams DE NC State
2 DeMeco Ryans OLB Alabama
3 Charles Spencer OG Pittsburgh
3 Eric Winston T Miami
4 Owen Daniels TE Wisconsin
6 Wali Lundy RB Virginia
7 David Anderson WR Colorado State
God dmn.....that's a fkin dream compared to our draft history since 99'
God dmn.....that's a fkin dream compared to our draft history since 99'
Since it's apparently easy to criticize the drafting of a prospective GM, I'm curious. Can any of you Googlemeisters locate the ideal candidate for us based on draft history?
Woof Woof, Kathy http://cognitivemanifesto.com/ http://www.skadden.com/index.cfm?contentID=49&officeID=9 Bendix ESP -
Rumor has it that the Browns might win a Super Bowl sometime..just a rumor though
I can't believe you would post something so ridiculous.
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I can't believe you would post something so ridiculous.
Obviously it was a joke but, "you go girl".
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I can't believe you would post something so ridiculous.
Obviously it was a joke but, "you go girl".
Obviously it was a joke but, "you go girl".
I ment my comment to be sarcastic as well.
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Look we can bring in any GM we want but it wont mean **** unless our head case I mean coach gets off his high horse. He wants to bring in his own guys and wont listen to anybody.
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Look we can bring in any GM we want but it wont mean **** unless our head case I mean coach gets off his high horse. He wants to bring in his own guys and wont listen to anybody.
Look we can bring in any GM we want but it wont mean **** unless our head case I mean coach gets off his high horse. He wants to bring in his own guys and wont listen to anybody.
Let's wait and see if that happens or not...whoever we hire will hold the trump card.
But whoever we bring in...it has to also be a case where they can get along with the coach....be in Mangini or someone else. The coach has to have some pretty significant input in to who he wants and what he needs.
Remember Savage and Crennel?? Seemed like Savage brought in guys Romeo didn't want.
When that happens, you end up with rooks on the bench not playing, because no matter what, the coach determines who plays and who sits.
The GM might be able to determine who is on the team and who isn't, but the coach can just decide he isn't playing them and that's that.
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Charlie Casserly MAY be hired as the new Cleveland Browns President & GM within the next 72 hours. Nothing is confirmed but that's what we are hearing - STORY DEVELOPING
Thought i would post this rumor for people.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
IMHO, Casserly would be a 'soft' but, perhaps, solid selection.
Not sure he is strong enough for the two positions.
I would hope Lerner went out and got somebody, if you know what I mean.
With names like Shanahan, Holmgren, Dungy and others out there, Casserly would be another 'miss' for Lerner.
Charlie is a good Irish Catholic from Springfield, MA so I would be happy FOR HIM.
The 3 guys you name better than Casserly have NEVER been gm's..they have done some dual role stuff.. actually dungy never was a GM.. so how can you say those guys are better..holmgrens and shannahans draft records got them fired or walking away.
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Lets make Mangini GM, Rob Ryan HC, Crennel DC, Savage director of scouts, Kokinis director of pro personel, and when Weis gets fired for Notre Dame he can be the OC.
Were already paying all these guys except Weis, it seems logical and really actually intriging to me.
1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico -
Lets make Mangini GM, Rob Ryan HC, Crennel DC, Savage director of scouts, Kokinis director of pro personel, and when Weis gets fired for Notre Dame he can be the OC.
Were already paying all these guys except Weis, it seems logical and really actually intriging to me.
nmills said:
Lets make Mangini GM, Rob Ryan HC, Crennel DC, Savage director of scouts, Kokinis director of pro personel, and when Weis gets fired for Notre Dame he can be the OC.Were already paying all these guys except Weis, it seems logical and really actually intriging to me.
I like the way you think.
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