Researcher: NASA hiding climate data
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So it's all about to unravel? Or should I say the bark is falling off the tree??!!
What a surprise.
This has ALWAYS been about politics, not science IMHO. The science I see can't be changed any way.
Frantic time on the lunatic left?? Surge in Aggan and one of their most loyal boys breaks out to announce the fraud RE Global Warming.
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T the "green" movement is filled with garbage also, however the massive amount of science and observable facts are overwhelming. If you want to fall for the same tactics the tobacco industry did than go ahead.... how did that work out....
T the "green" movement is filled with garbage also, however the massive amount of science and observable facts are overwhelming. If you want to fall for the same tactics the tobacco industry did than go ahead.... how did that work out....
It worked out great for the General Funds of all the states that won that class action suit.
Problem is, they don't adhere to the terms and conditions of the settlement - funds going to smoking programs to prevent trial among youngsters and to stop those who are currently smoking - and, instead, use the settlement as nothing more than a cash cow to cover their insatiable need to spend and spend.
The Government loves big tobbacco. They just won't say it out loud.
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T the "green" movement is filled with garbage also, however the massive amount of science and observable facts are overwhelming. If you want to fall for the same tactics the tobacco industry did than go ahead.... how did that work out....
T the "green" movement is filled with garbage also, however the massive amount of science and observable facts are overwhelming. If you want to fall for the same tactics the tobacco industry did than go ahead.... how did that work out....
Sev dont tell me you believe the lie that global warming is man made.
You need to go back to school and study geology and volcanoes.
damn sev its cold outside i need to go get a sweater and put on.
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T the "green" movement is filled with garbage also, however the massive amount of science and observable facts are overwhelming. If you want to fall for the same tactics the tobacco industry did than go ahead.... how did that work out....
Sev dont tell me you believe the lie that global warming is man made.
You need to go back to school and study geology and volcanoes.
damn sev its cold outside i need to go get a sweater and put on.
Sev dont tell me you believe the lie that global warming is man made.
You need to go back to school and study geology and volcanoes.
damn sev its cold outside i need to go get a sweater and put on.
T you should know I believe in the science of global warming. I am fairly certain from what i have read and studied that Man definately has had a impact. I think the impact is fairly important but it is definatelty not the only variable.
I am not into green initiatives probably for what other conservationists are for. My reasons stem from National Security related self sustainability along with future impact on my children and grandchildren.
Internal combustion fueled by enriching regions with religous extremism is not something I am interested in. I also believe that erroring on the side of caution is only prudent and conservative. I dont like the cap and trade model however i do realize that because of the lobbying mechanism entrenced coal/utlity etc have a pretty good stranglehold on stifling innovation.
The observable and testable historical results from both ice cores/tree rings/geological observations etc are pretty undeniable. Does that mean we are the only reason? NO but we are definately having an impact, it might be the tipping point impact or it in all likelihood is far more significant. Either way it is important for our childrens future that we start pushing more self sustainable power generation (i think Tidal generators are going to be really important) and also move vehicles away from internal combustioni... oil is a finite resource and a dirty one.
I do think like the ethanol movement (all money no substance corn/agri lobbyist) that their are some fair critiques... flying around in personal jets to speak about global warming is not exactly leading by example.
Now the "other" side are pulling the same pseudo PR based "science" moves that tobacco used to discount the real science about Tobacco and carcinigons..... That is BS and really from a "moral" standpoint its bs. We are sacrificing our childrens future for today's easy gain.... thats not the way I raise my children.
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Sev dont tell me you believe the lie that global warming is man made.
You need to go back to school and study geology and volcanoes.
damn sev its cold outside i need to go get a sweater and put on.
T you should know I believe in the science of global warming. I am fairly certain from what i have read and studied that Man definately has had a impact. I think the impact is fairly important but it is definatelty not the only variable.
I am not into green initiatives probably for what other conservationists are for. My reasons stem from National Security related self sustainability along with future impact on my children and grandchildren.
Internal combustion fueled by enriching regions with religous extremism is not something I am interested in. I also believe that erroring on the side of caution is only prudent and conservative. I dont like the cap and trade model however i do realize that because of the lobbying mechanism entrenced coal/utlity etc have a pretty good stranglehold on stifling innovation.
The observable and testable historical results from both ice cores/tree rings/geological observations etc are pretty undeniable. Does that mean we are the only reason? NO but we are definately having an impact, it might be the tipping point impact or it in all likelihood is far more significant. Either way it is important for our childrens future that we start pushing more self sustainable power generation (i think Tidal generators are going to be really important) and also move vehicles away from internal combustioni... oil is a finite resource and a dirty one.
I do think like the ethanol movement (all money no substance corn/agri lobbyist) that their are some fair critiques... flying around in personal jets to speak about global warming is not exactly leading by example.
Now the "other" side are pulling the same pseudo PR based "science" moves that tobacco used to discount the real science about Tobacco and carcinigons..... That is BS and really from a "moral" standpoint its bs. We are sacrificing our childrens future for today's easy gain.... thats not the way I raise my children.
T you should know I believe in the science of global warming. I am fairly certain from what i have read and studied that Man definately has had a impact. I think the impact is fairly important but it is definatelty not the only variable.
I am not into green initiatives probably for what other conservationists are for. My reasons stem from National Security related self sustainability along with future impact on my children and grandchildren.
Internal combustion fueled by enriching regions with religous extremism is not something I am interested in. I also believe that erroring on the side of caution is only prudent and conservative. I dont like the cap and trade model however i do realize that because of the lobbying mechanism entrenced coal/utlity etc have a pretty good stranglehold on stifling innovation.
The observable and testable historical results from both ice cores/tree rings/geological observations etc are pretty undeniable. Does that mean we are the only reason? NO but we are definately having an impact, it might be the tipping point impact or it in all likelihood is far more significant. Either way it is important for our childrens future that we start pushing more self sustainable power generation (i think Tidal generators are going to be really important) and also move vehicles away from internal combustioni... oil is a finite resource and a dirty one.
I do think like the ethanol movement (all money no substance corn/agri lobbyist) that their are some fair critiques... flying around in personal jets to speak about global warming is not exactly leading by example.
Now the "other" side are pulling the same pseudo PR based "science" moves that tobacco used to discount the real science about Tobacco and carcinigons..... That is BS and really from a "moral" standpoint its bs. We are sacrificing our childrens future for today's easy gain.... thats not the way I raise my children.
I am glad you see that biigest problem at solving anything here lies on politicians greedy shoulders, but as you know there is a way to use clean burning coal power plants, but after spending 50 mil on research our own Governmant has canceled out that ideal.
When we can take away the greed we may be able to get somewhere on this issue, but this is supposed to be a free nation and the last thing we need is for corupt politicians to continue to lie and falsify documents for their own goodwill at the expense of all.
These people like al Gore should be ridiculed and shamed instead we still have a liberal news media who want to talk about Tiger woods's infidelity instead of real issues and real news that has discovered that all of us have been lied to.
Would you agree that Al gore and his carbon tax initiative is in the wrong?
In your opinion how should al Gore and all of these scientist who have lied be dealt with?
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It’s Over, Al Gore.
Abandon your lucrative carbon-scheming, admit there was never a ‘consensus’ and give back the Nobel Peace Prize
Aaron Dykes
December 3, 2009
Al Gore has just cancelled a high-profile appearance at the upcoming Copenhagen climate change conference only days after ‘ClimateGate’ revelations cast doubt on the legitimacy of the scientific ‘consensus’ ("hiding the decline" is not scientific in any respect). Just days ago, CRU director Phil Jones stepped down from his position at East Anglia University.
Further, Gore has been confronted by We Are Change and other groups at book signing events everywhere he goes– and apparently his only response to charges of fraud is to unleash his goons to drag out dissenters. Sounds like Eco-fascism to me. It’s easy to reach consensus when opponents are barred from the conversation (see video below).
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Well, these goofs have no business interrupting a public gathering vs Al Gore, anymore than they have business doing the same
to Palin, or anybody else.
I find it intriguing that Gore ADMITS to the man made global warming movement as a political movement.
Some of us have been saying that for a long time. Now, not even Shep can come and say Gore is not using
it politically.
It's a fraud. A political fraud. A lot like Obamao's "Hope and Change". Just words to get votes from anybody they get get to buy into it.
Very sadly dishonest.
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More from the horses ass. It's great when we can say I TOLD YOU SO YOU SHEEP. Where is Ed Beagly when you need him. I know, he lying face down with his dick in a compost pile.
It's so f*cked up how the media spins this issue. Sure we want clean water and fish. Sure we want our family to breath cleaner air. And sure we want less dependency on foreign oil, I AGREE! But as soon as you don't agree that it is linked to Global Warming your a crazy conspiracy theorist.
I was reading an article (sorry no link) on how the extermination of Whales will have a bigger impact then greenhouse gasses on the climate. What the f*ck is Hore doing to curtail that?
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Let's try it this way:
We know that CO2 molecules absorb/radiate heat, which is why CO2 is a "greenhouse gas". That's just basic physics.
We know that we can accurately measure the amount of C02 in the atmosphere, and do so all year round, from multiple sources. And we know that the amount of man-made CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing every year. That's just a measurement.
We can also distinguish between CO2 in the atmosphere that's emitted from natural sources, and man-made CO2. That's just chemistry.
Knowing all this - that CO2 molecules radiate heat, that they already perform a greenhouse function in the atmosphere, and that we're increasing the amount of man-made CO2 in the atmosphere every year - what do you think is going to happen to global temperatures over time?
And that's just CO2. Add in increased amounts of methane, whose molecules radiate eight times the heat of C02, the elimination of carbon sinks due to deforestation, feedback loops caused by the increased melting of the permafrost, feedback loops caused by the increased melting of the ice caps, etc.
If someone can explain away any of this, you can win a Nobel Prize. But you can't. It's just basic science.
Kosar, you should know better. Or maybe you shouldn't.
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Let's try it this way:
We know that CO2 molecules absorb/radiate heat, which is why CO2 is a "greenhouse gas". That's just basic physics.
We know that we can accurately measure the amount of C02 in the atmosphere, and do so all year round, from multiple sources. And we know that the amount of man-made CO2 in the atmosphere is increasing every year. That's just a measurement.
We can also distinguish between CO2 in the atmosphere that's emitted from natural sources, and man-made CO2. That's just chemistry.
Knowing all this - that CO2 molecules radiate heat, that they already perform a greenhouse function in the atmosphere, and that we're increasing the amount of man-made CO2 in the atmosphere every year - what do you think is going to happen to global temperatures over time?
And that's just CO2. Add in increased amounts of methane, whose molecules radiate eight times the heat of C02, the elimination of carbon sinks due to deforestation, feedback loops caused by the increased melting of the permafrost, feedback loops caused by the increased melting of the ice caps, etc.
If someone can explain away any of this, you can win a Nobel Prize. But you can't. It's just basic science.
Kosar, you should know better. Or maybe you shouldn't.
If someone can explain away any of this, you can win a Nobel Prize.
Now that's truly funny Heck.
Please don't pretend you were serious.
WSS
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Um, I will not pretend to be that thing you think I shouldn't be so that you might stumble on an attempt at an Obama joke. Aye-aye.
But thanks for reminding me not to bother. Just thought I'd see what was up in the fever swamp. Like a ghost town in here.
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I'm sure it's very stimulating in Puking Hard. Everyone patting each other on the back. I'm sure anyone with a different point of view would just be banned. The "Fairness Doctrine" site. It's not as busy over here because we don't have the clowns over here throwing insults at everyone. It is actually nice over here now. I enjoy it.
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Um, I will not pretend to be that thing you think I shouldn't be so that you might stumble on an attempt at an Obama joke. Aye-aye.
But thanks for reminding me not to bother. Just thought I'd see what was up in the fever swamp. Like a ghost town in here.
Um, I will not pretend to be that thing you think I shouldn't be so that you might stumble on an attempt at an Obama joke. Aye-aye.
But thanks for reminding me not to bother. Just thought I'd see what was up in the fever swamp. Like a ghost town in here.
You're quite welcome Heck.
I fully understand.
AFAIK there's no political forum over at the new Valhalla and that's probably just as well.
From what I can tell it was built on the idea of banning anybody who liked the wrong players.
The political board, run under that mindset, would be like Bob's Country Bunker "We have both kinds of opinions here; left and far left."
But as the reality of the Obama presidency sinks in there's probably not much you can defend.
But hey, why bother?
When unemployment gets back to 4% the deficit disappears we all have top notch health care at an affordable price and they break ground for a hunndred new Walmarts in Afghanistan you can come back and gloat.
(plus you got to say "fever swamp" again! I'll see that and raise you a Kool Aid.)
WSS
ps tell me you aren't just a little bit embarrassed by the seeming fraud on your eco warrior side.....
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So, the pro gw scientists lament that they can't prove that gw is tied to CO2 increases...
algore says that gw is a political movement, and Heck shows up to
reiterate some stuff from moveonupgore'sleg.orgy?
Priceless.
I hope they are having fun playing verbal footsie with each other
over wherever they are.
May they always speak as one, in peace and harmony,
so we can ROF,LOAO....
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Meanwhile, in another arrogant and ignorant display of fraud:
Copenhagen climate summit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhage...iar-wedges.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international...yyvy19b0ZTHaGwO
1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar wedges
Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough
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