Great Win orchestrated by Derek Anderson
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The only thing I witnessed yesterday with undeniable certainty
Is that Phil Savage was completely clueless when it came to evaluating Quarterback potential
I've gotta believe that both Holmgren and Mangini already know that...
neither QB will be on the roster next year
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you guys are acting like DA played lights out. he played basically the exact same as BQ has in the past 3-4 games. even the announcers commented on how inaccurate he was.
don't put the knee pads on just yet guys.
you guys are acting like DA played lights out. he played basically the exact same as BQ has in the past 3-4 games. even the announcers commented on how inaccurate he was.
don't put the knee pads on just yet guys.
Really?? I was under the impression BQ's rating the last few games were in the teens or twenties, and Anderson was over ninety.
I don't know, but that shows some difference IMO.
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you guys are acting like DA played lights out. he played basically the exact same as BQ has in the past 3-4 games. even the announcers commented on how inaccurate he was.
don't put the knee pads on just yet guys.
Really?? I was under the impression BQ's rating the last few games were in the teens or twenties, and Anderson was over ninety.
I don't know, but that shows some difference IMO.
Really?? I was under the impression BQ's rating the last few games were in the teens or twenties, and Anderson was over ninety.
I don't know, but that shows some difference IMO.
Brady Quinn -9.5 games- 67.2 rating- 8 TDs - 7 INT
Derek Anderson- 6.5 games- 41.6 rating- 3 TD- 9 INT
That's on the entire season. Neither one is standing out, but BQ's numbers are better. I'm not arguing for one or the other, I'm just saying.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Oh yeah, we even got OSU sev, the bar none biggest DA athletic supporter of the bunch back to kick some ass and he doesn't even have any affiliation like Drunky and Lumsford.
dis was too easy or sumtin
you must have missed the last few weeks of posts and the thread on my qb comparisons versus the same team.....
but it was nice to see you resorted to name calling, if you have a dissenting opinion or find fault with the reasoning you obviously can post a retort........ Its nice to see "moderators" responding with mature name calling.
you must have missed the last few weeks of posts and the thread on my qb comparisons versus the same team.....
but it was nice to see you resorted to name calling, if you have a dissenting opinion or find fault with the reasoning you obviously can post a retort........ Its nice to see "moderators" responding with mature name calling.
You call the name calling?
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Really?? I was under the impression BQ's rating the last few games were in the teens or twenties, and Anderson was over ninety.
I don't know, but that shows some difference IMO.
Brady Quinn -9.5 games- 67.2 rating- 8 TDs - 7 INT
Derek Anderson- 6.5 games- 41.6 rating- 3 TD- 9 INT
That's on the entire season. Neither one is standing out, but BQ's numbers are better. I'm not arguing for one or the other, I'm just saying.
Brady Quinn -9.5 games- 67.2 rating- 8 TDs - 7 INT
Derek Anderson- 6.5 games- 41.6 rating- 3 TD- 9 INT
That's on the entire season. Neither one is standing out, but BQ's numbers are better. I'm not arguing for one or the other, I'm just saying.
I understand that....all i am saying is you or others can't say Anderson had a bad game.
At the end of the season we can compare BQ's best showing for a season with Anderson's best showing for a season....
What is that going to show??? Answer.....not much.
In the end, I am confident that football people around the league feel that Anderson has a higher ceiling than does Quinn.
My hope is neither one of them is on the team next year. I think Anderson is too inconsistent and think Quinn is a punk who gets punched in the mouth by teammates.
I have been around a while....i can't remember reading of another QB getting punched in the face by another player on his team.
You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Brady Quinn -9.5 games- 67.2 rating- 8 TDs - 7 INT
Derek Anderson- 6.5 games- 41.6 rating- 3 TD- 9 INT
That's on the entire season. Neither one is standing out, but BQ's numbers are better. I'm not arguing for one or the other, I'm just saying.
I understand that....all i am saying is you or others can't say Anderson had a bad game.
At the end of the season we can compare BQ's best showing for a season with Anderson's best showing for a season....
What is that going to show??? Answer.....not much.
In the end, I am confident that football people around the league feel that Anderson has a higher ceiling than does Quinn.
My hope is neither one of them is on the team next year. I think Anderson is too inconsistent and think Quinn is a punk who gets punched in the mouth by teammates.
I have been around a while....i can't remember reading of another QB getting punched in the face by another player on his team.
You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.
I understand that....all i am saying is you or others can't say Anderson had a bad game.
At the end of the season we can compare BQ's best showing for a season with Anderson's best showing for a season....
What is that going to show??? Answer.....not much.
In the end, I am confident that football people around the league feel that Anderson has a higher ceiling than does Quinn.
My hope is neither one of them is on the team next year. I think Anderson is too inconsistent and think Quinn is a punk who gets punched in the mouth by teammates.
I have been around a while....i can't remember reading of another QB getting punched in the face by another player on his team.
You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.
What is it with these Notre Dame QB's getting punched in the face? First BQ, then Jimmy Clausen. It's ridiculous.
I can't recall another QB getting punched in the face, but my junior season I got into it with a WR on my team and our QB blindsided me, jumped on my back and then choked me out. Then we became great friends. Fights happen all the time at practices. It's kind of hard to say the team hates Quinn just because a random thug who got traded anyway punched him out in the weight room.
As for the ceiling, with the way the NFL is evolving, it's hard to say which QB has a higher ceiling. The NFL is becoming a haven for the West Coast offense as of late, with more coaches looking for YAC receivers than speedsters. DA has more physical tools and would have been a better quarterback 10-15 years ago, but now I don't know. I'm not saying BQ is particularly adept at throwing short, it's just the only thing I've seen him do.
Tom Brady made the checkdown pass famous, damn him, and now it's catching on. I'm seeing too many block and release routes from the RB, it's taking the fun out of the NFL.
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Brady Quinn -9.5 games- 67.2 rating- 8 TDs - 7 INT
Derek Anderson- 6.5 games- 41.6 rating- 3 TD- 9 INT
That's on the entire season. Neither one is standing out, but BQ's numbers are better. I'm not arguing for one or the other, I'm just saying.
I understand that....all i am saying is you or others can't say Anderson had a bad game.
At the end of the season we can compare BQ's best showing for a season with Anderson's best showing for a season....
What is that going to show??? Answer.....not much.
In the end, I am confident that football people around the league feel that Anderson has a higher ceiling than does Quinn.
My hope is neither one of them is on the team next year. I think Anderson is too inconsistent and think Quinn is a punk who gets punched in the mouth by teammates.
I have been around a while....i can't remember reading of another QB getting punched in the face by another player on his team.
You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.
I understand that....all i am saying is you or others can't say Anderson had a bad game.
At the end of the season we can compare BQ's best showing for a season with Anderson's best showing for a season....
What is that going to show??? Answer.....not much.
In the end, I am confident that football people around the league feel that Anderson has a higher ceiling than does Quinn.
My hope is neither one of them is on the team next year. I think Anderson is too inconsistent and think Quinn is a punk who gets punched in the mouth by teammates.
I have been around a while....i can't remember reading of another QB getting punched in the face by another player on his team.
You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.
What is it with these Notre Dame QB's getting punched in the face? First BQ, then Jimmy Clausen. It's ridiculous.
I can't recall another QB getting punched in the face, but my junior season I got into it with a WR on my team and our QB blindsided me, jumped on my back and then choked me out. Then we became great friends. Fights happen all the time at practices. It's kind of hard to say the team hates Quinn just because a random thug who got traded anyway punched him out in the weight room.
As for the ceiling, with the way the NFL is evolving, it's hard to say which QB has a higher ceiling. The NFL is becoming a haven for the West Coast offense as of late, with more coaches looking for YAC receivers than speedsters. DA has more physical tools and would have been a better quarterback 10-15 years ago, but now I don't know. I'm not saying BQ is particularly adept at throwing short, it's just the only thing I've seen him do.
Tom Brady made the checkdown pass famous, damn him, and now it's catching on. I'm seeing too many block and release routes from the RB, it's taking the fun out of the NFL.
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not to mention Beavis and Butthead were cool, what, 10 years ago?
not to mention Beavis and Butthead were cool, what, 10 years ago?
They were ever cool?
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Brady Quinn -9.5 games- 67.2 rating- 8 TDs - 7 INT
Derek Anderson- 6.5 games- 41.6 rating- 3 TD- 9 INT
That's on the entire season. Neither one is standing out, but BQ's numbers are better. I'm not arguing for one or the other, I'm just saying.
I understand that....all i am saying is you or others can't say Anderson had a bad game.
At the end of the season we can compare BQ's best showing for a season with Anderson's best showing for a season....
What is that going to show??? Answer.....not much.
In the end, I am confident that football people around the league feel that Anderson has a higher ceiling than does Quinn.
My hope is neither one of them is on the team next year. I think Anderson is too inconsistent and think Quinn is a punk who gets punched in the mouth by teammates.
I have been around a while....i can't remember reading of another QB getting punched in the face by another player on his team.
You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.
You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.
i may not have all my facts right, but i recall that only smith punched him. not smith punched him and the whole team joined in to be the tar outta him. to say an entire team hates someone just because one person has an issue with them is pretty dumb imo.
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DA had a QB rating of 90.6 today, so yea, it was a lot different then Quinn.
yea he had a good game but u can bet ur right nut he will be gone next year
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Geez oh man, I will say it again...despite any abilities, is this man worth the money$ You guys are postulating the argument like it is DA v. BQ....it is not! Stan, since I know that you prefer DA's skill set let me ask you, is he worth the money he is guaranteed for next year? That is what this question boils down to. Put it this way, DA is being paid like a 1st rounder (late 1st), BQ is being paid like a 3rd rounder (for next year); which is better value for this team at this point?
You have to phrase the question in context. If it were, did DA's play yesterday out-play BQ's play in the previous victories, I would say yea. But it really isn't the question, the bottom line right now is that we have an offense that just needs a serviceable QB FOR NOW. For the money and looking towards next year I still think that BQ fits into the overall philosophy of the team.
Holmgren doesn't give a shit about the salary.
Bradies Ladies are just pissed that DA makes fat bank while Quinn makes diddly.
And the only philosophy Quinn fits into is the "stand over by the sideline while Cribbs takes the snaps" Offense.
Holmgren doesn't give a shit about the salary.
Bradies Ladies are just pissed that DA makes fat bank while Quinn makes diddly.
And the only philosophy Quinn fits into is the "stand over by the sideline while Cribbs takes the snaps" Offense.
good one lum da has looked like a pro-bowler all yea right lmao.....but either has quinn but as looking at the season as a whole quinn has looked better and showed more potential, and for less money next year....your the one browns fan if you call urself that, that can make a steelers fan look straight
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not to mention Beavis and Butthead were cool, what, 10 years ago?
They were ever cool?
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Holmgren doesn't give a shit about the salary.
Bradies Ladies are just pissed that DA makes fat bank while Quinn makes diddly.
And the only philosophy Quinn fits into is the "stand over by the sideline while Cribbs takes the snaps" Offense.
good one lum da has looked like a pro-bowler all yea right lmao.....but either has quinn but as looking at the season as a whole quinn has looked better and showed more potential, and for less money next year....your the one browns fan if you call urself that, that can make a steelers fan look straight
good one lum da has looked like a pro-bowler all yea right lmao.....but either has quinn but as looking at the season as a whole quinn has looked better and showed more potential, and for less money next year....your the one browns fan if you call urself that, that can make a steelers fan look straight
Quinn is definitely less money. More potential? How 'bout throwing a TD at some point when a victory is possible? This never throwing a TD in a win in your entire career thing is weird.
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Its the end of a very long season..... BQ nation got to see multiple sub 100 yard games with very little offensive production with Quinn, We saw 2 of the same teams that each qb faced in the same season with the stats showing DA is better and so is the offensive squad. BQ had plenty of oppurtunities and he is what he is.
DA CAN develop a short game and touch along with better decision making ala the Raiders game or Favre.....BQ can NOT develop a stronger more accurate arm at the 15-30 yard range because like baseball pitching you either have it or you dont....
DA will score more and so will our offense, he will also toss more interceptions.... you have to be able to risk it to make it, BQ wont risk it but he also cant deliver more tds because of his limitations....
I always like the WCO guys (the same guys who crowed about "nfl ready" or played in "pro system" with Weis.... both are false and products of marketing for a heisman and draft position) thinking thats the be all end all answer for wanting to keep BQ(obviously because of his limited arm strength) Here's a News Flash...... This is the NFL, the rules have changed in favor or a long passing game and more scoring...... NFL defenses have adjusted to the WCO so now YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STRETCH THE FIELD...... The defensive scheming is more exotic, filled with more players who can rush or play man/zone coverages making the short WCO game much more difficult. With the coverage rules on contact and more LBS and Ends playing coverages within 5-15 yards the 15-30 yard areas must be threatened in order to loosen the short passing game and rushing game.....something Quinn can not do.
Just get over your premature support (that he did not earn with NFL play) put away your jerseys you bought because you were duped by a Heisman/Draft position Marketing campaign.... I dont know or really think DA is the long term answer, however his History best Franchise home record saddled with a terrible defense and flashes of great plays are better than a heisman candidates dream of NFL greatness conversion... Its all we have, unless some proven vet comes in or we draft another QB I will continue to back the only other product that actually can lead our offense to scoring (and sometimes stupid plays/interceptions)
*edit* yes BQ can deliver a bomb (also not very accurate) but that is not the arm strength and accuracy we are talking about.... I know some of his backers think that throwing a rainbow bomb=arm strength
DA CAN develop a short game and touch along with better decision making ala the Raiders game or Favre.....BQ can NOT develop a stronger more accurate arm at the 15-30 yard range because like baseball pitching you either have it or you dont....
DA will score more and so will our offense, he will also toss more interceptions.... you have to be able to risk it to make it, BQ wont risk it but he also cant deliver more tds because of his limitations....
*edit* yes BQ can deliver a bomb (also not very accurate) but that is not the arm strength and accuracy we are talking about.... I know some of his backers think that throwing a rainbow bomb=arm strength
I have my doubts about Quinn- but I no longer have any doubts about Anderson.
DA can develop a "Short Game"? Um, nope, and you saw that on display again on Sunday. How much more time you going to give a former sixth round draft pick to "develop"? And on the all important intermediate routes, DA's not much more accurate, (he had MoMass for a TD if he hadn't thrown the ball 3 feet behind him), and is still throwing dumb ass stuff into coverage.
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DA CAN develop a short game and touch along with better decision making ala the Raiders game or Favre.....BQ can NOT develop a stronger more accurate arm at the 15-30 yard range because like baseball pitching you either have it or you dont....
DA will score more and so will our offense, he will also toss more interceptions.... you have to be able to risk it to make it, BQ wont risk it but he also cant deliver more tds because of his limitations....
*edit* yes BQ can deliver a bomb (also not very accurate) but that is not the arm strength and accuracy we are talking about.... I know some of his backers think that throwing a rainbow bomb=arm strength
I have my doubts about Quinn- but I no longer have any doubts about Anderson.
DA can develop a "Short Game"? Um, nope, and you saw that on display again on Sunday. How much more time you going to give a former sixth round draft pick to "develop"? And on the all important intermediate routes, DA's not much more accurate, (he had MoMass for a TD if he hadn't thrown the ball 3 feet behind him), and is still throwing dumb ass stuff into coverage.
I have my doubts about Quinn- but I no longer have any doubts about Anderson.
DA can develop a "Short Game"? Um, nope, and you saw that on display again on Sunday. How much more time you going to give a former sixth round draft pick to "develop"? And on the all important intermediate routes, DA's not much more accurate, (he had MoMass for a TD if he hadn't thrown the ball 3 feet behind him), and is still throwing dumb ass stuff into coverage.
I will take the TD he did throw instead of the dink and dunk sub 100 31.5 comp rating and other games like the steelers and the Chiefs game we win IN SPITE of no production from the QB who gets BAILED out by cribbs in third down situations.....
I only have two to pick from, forgive me if I back the one that has a FRANCHISE home game record and shows some offensive spark compared to the other one who has been pretty consistently an offensive dud....
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I have my doubts about Quinn- but I no longer have any doubts about Anderson.
DA can develop a "Short Game"? Um, nope, and you saw that on display again on Sunday. How much more time you going to give a former sixth round draft pick to "develop"? And on the all important intermediate routes, DA's not much more accurate, (he had MoMass for a TD if he hadn't thrown the ball 3 feet behind him), and is still throwing dumb ass stuff into coverage.
I will take the TD he did throw instead of the dink and dunk sub 100 31.5 comp rating and other games like the steelers and the Chiefs game we win IN SPITE of no production from the QB who gets BAILED out by cribbs in third down situations.....
I only have two to pick from, forgive me if I back the one that has a FRANCHISE home game record and shows some offensive spark compared to the other one who has been pretty consistently an offensive dud....
I will take the TD he did throw instead of the dink and dunk sub 100 31.5 comp rating and other games like the steelers and the Chiefs game we win IN SPITE of no production from the QB who gets BAILED out by cribbs in third down situations.....
I only have two to pick from, forgive me if I back the one that has a FRANCHISE home game record and shows some offensive spark compared to the other one who has been pretty consistently an offensive dud....
Forgive me if I don't take the one with a 40 something QB rating. That's just me though. Granted, I don't have a love for plaid and wool like you do. I don't buy into the lumberjack look so much, but that's just me.
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You can write it off as Smith was a punk, and he was, but it goes beyond that. Quinn just isn't liked by his team...and that will never work.
i may not have all my facts right, but i recall that only smith punched him. not smith punched him and the whole team joined in to be the tar outta him. to say an entire team hates someone just because one person has an issue with them is pretty dumb imo.
i may not have all my facts right, but i recall that only smith punched him. not smith punched him and the whole team joined in to be the tar outta him. to say an entire team hates someone just because one person has an issue with them is pretty dumb imo.
No, you have it correct. The whole team didn't bum rush him.
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yea he had a good game but u can bet ur right nut he will be gone next year
I agree. It would take some unusual circumstances he isn't....it would take Holmgren thinking he has it over BQ, which he may, AND it would take Anderson to restructure his contract to a much lower rate.
You add those two together and it isn't likely Anderson sticks around.
At this point it is more about money spent on the position for the production more than it is about the team wanting or liking Quinn more.
I am convinced Quinn didn't have to go on IR and think it was possible he could play some more this season but the team didn't want to risk that 70% of snaps so just put him on the shelf and eliminate that possibility.
The last 3-4 games we haven't been 3 and outing as much, so with a good running game that sustains drives, he may have been able to get enough snaps to get it pretty close.
Why risk that when you have a easy way out?
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I don't know ... during the Holmgren presser when asked specifically about Brady Quinn, Holmgren directed his answer squarely about Derek Anderson and how he passed all over his Seahawk team (as Lum's informed us yesterday, Thanks Lums!).
I thought that was a rather intriguing endorsement for Derek Anderson by Holmgren.
I just might bet my right nut ...
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I don't know ... during the Holmgren presser when asked specifically about Brady Quinn, Holmgren directed his answer squarely about Derek Anderson and how he passed all over his Seahawk team (as Lum's informed us yesterday, Thanks Lums!).
I thought that was a rather intriguing endorsement for Derek Anderson by Holmgren.
I just might bet my right nut ...
I don't know ... during the Holmgren presser when asked specifically about Brady Quinn, Holmgren directed his answer squarely about Derek Anderson and how he passed all over his Seahawk team (as Lum's informed us yesterday, Thanks Lums!).
I thought that was a rather intriguing endorsement for Derek Anderson by Holmgren.
I just might bet my right nut ...
You do that. In the meantime back in the real world...
I want to see Quinn given a full off-season and training camp to build chemistry with his offense, be trained by a Holmgren-appointed QB guru (if not Holmgren himself), and play the entire 16 game season. That would provide a completely fair and thorough evaluation of Quinn. If you look at his numbers at Notre Dame, he steadily improved year after year. I think that Quinn`s ceiling is still quite high, but all of his mishandling has resulted in shattered confidence. He`s screwed up his mechanics, overworked out and built up so much muscle he`s lost his fluidity, and he is no longer confident about being able to predict where his receivers will go. Given a proper learning environment and the proper teacher, I believe Quinn can get back on track and reach his potential.
It would be a real, real shame if Quinn were cut or traded, ended up on another team, and showed what he could do when given a real shot and proper training.
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