Cribbs intends to walk after low offer
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Our 5 wins this season were because of him.
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Personally, I don't need to hear all this negotiating nonsense. Too much drama for me.
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My biggest issue is that the offer isn't even in the top 10 for KRs. He should no question be the highest paid KR in the league. He is after-all, the best that's ever played.
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All things considered, I'm shocked by how cocky the Browns are. Are you seriously refusing to pay your best player? Get over yourself, the man has earned a raise. Pay him what he's worth and shut up. Mangini already gave this place a bad rep among free agents with his little extra practice, i mean injury sessions. Now you're sending the message that you won't pay your own guys what they're worth. You wouldn't keep Quinn in to avoid paying him either. This franchise is becoming embarrassing.
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All things considered, I'm shocked by how cocky the Browns are. Are you seriously refusing to pay your best player? Get over yourself, the man has earned a raise. Pay him what he's worth and shut up. Mangini already gave this place a bad rep among free agents with his little extra practice, i mean injury sessions. Now you're sending the message that you won't pay your own guys what they're worth. You wouldn't keep Quinn in to avoid paying him either. This franchise is becoming embarrassing.
All things considered, I'm shocked by how cocky the Browns are. Are you seriously refusing to pay your best player? Get over yourself, the man has earned a raise. Pay him what he's worth and shut up. Mangini already gave this place a bad rep among free agents with his little extra practice, i mean injury sessions. Now you're sending the message that you won't pay your own guys what they're worth. You wouldn't keep Quinn in to avoid paying him either. This franchise is becoming embarrassing.
It's not Mangini giving these offers anymore, it's Holmgren.
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I Love Cribbs as a Brown, but this is only business and dont wear your feelings on your shirt sleeves.
I guess I will just have to wait and see what comes of it before I purchase a number 16 jersey.
In reality they should rename the team the Cleveland Cribbs, he is the heart and soul of this team.
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Ok so I looked up one of the other former top-tier kick returners of our time
Devin Hester
Year Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
2009 Bears $ 550,000 $ 0 $ 5,200,000 $ 5,750,000 $ 6,885,833 WR
2008 Bears $ 445,000 $ 5,000,000 $ 47,500 $ 5,492,500 $ 1,628,333 WR
I think he got a new contract after the 2007 season when he was in the Pro Bowl
Josh Cribbs
Year Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
2009 Browns $ 620,000 $ 0 $ 25,000 $ 645,000 $ 1,045,000 WR
2008 Browns $ 620,000 $ 2,000,000 $ 25,000 $ 645,000 $ 1,045,000 WR
And because someone else brought it up:
Ryan Pontbriand
Year Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value Position
2009 Browns $ 715,000 $ 0 $ 105,000 $ 820,000 $ 1,040,000 OL
2008 Browns $ 650,000 $ 1,100,000 $ 4,105,000 $ 4,755,000 $ 4,975,000 OL
So the highest paid KR of our time makes approx 5 mil a year. The best KR ever in the NFL makes 645k and the long snapper on the same team makes $820k this year and $4.8 mil last year.
I wouldn't walk away from a $1.4 mil offer, I'd run. And I'd do everything I could to make this management look like the scumbag pimps they are.
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In case anyone else wants to look up more players to compare:
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/footbal...aspx?Loc=Vanity
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You can't handle the truth!!!
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All things considered, I'm shocked by how cocky the Browns are. Are you seriously refusing to pay your best player? Get over yourself, the man has earned a raise. Pay him what he's worth and shut up. Mangini already gave this place a bad rep among free agents with his little extra practice, i mean injury sessions. Now you're sending the message that you won't pay your own guys what they're worth. You wouldn't keep Quinn in to avoid paying him either. This franchise is becoming embarrassing.
All things considered, I'm shocked by how cocky the Browns are. Are you seriously refusing to pay your best player? Get over yourself, the man has earned a raise. Pay him what he's worth and shut up. Mangini already gave this place a bad rep among free agents with his little extra practice, i mean injury sessions. Now you're sending the message that you won't pay your own guys what they're worth. You wouldn't keep Quinn in to avoid paying him either. This franchise is becoming embarrassing.
Jeez tdubs, there's so many things wrong in you're badly worded paragraph I don't know where to begin.
This is Holmgrens call now, 0 to do with Mangini.
No FA's?..The cap was a mess, we couldn't afford any big time FA's..thanks Phil S.
The "opportunity periods" were for younger players not vets..How did that work out for us at the end of the year?
Quinn would have gotten his esculators if he didn't get hurt..AGAIN..we should pay him per completion..lol
FYI..Cribbs has 3 YEARS left..no one held a gun to his head to sign the last deal..really
Cribbs is a great player ,but this issue is Cribbs fault
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I wonder if he's crying like a bitch on his agent's recommendation.
So I don't know what the top ST guys make.
I don't mind him getting neqr that especially if there are incentives.
Ryan Pontbriand is the best long snapper in the league.
We wouldn't pay him Nick Mangold money.
WSS
In the time I have known you I haven't known you to make unfair comments or comparisons, so I will assume you just got caught up in the moment.
In the time I have known you I haven't known you to make unfair comments or comparisons, so I will assume you just got caught up in the moment.
Sorry if I did but what was unfair?
It was pretty much what Holmgren said.
I don't like the public bellyaching though I do like Cribbs a lot.
I think the grousing and threatening to go on strike is counter productive.
I guess the market will bear out whether the team is unfair when someone gives us a #1 and pays him 5 mil a year.
But like somebody said sooner or later everybody just kicks the other way.
Should Harrison now get Adrian Peterson money?
WSS
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In the time I have known you I haven't known you to make unfair comments or comparisons, so I will assume you just got caught up in the moment.
Sorry if I did but what was unfair?
It was pretty much what Holmgren said.
I don't like the public bellyaching though I do like Cribbs a lot.
I think the grousing and threatening to go on strike is counter productive.
I guess the market will bear out whether the team is unfair when someone gives us a #1 and pays him 5 mil a year.
But like somebody said sooner or later everybody just kicks the other way.
Should Harrison now get Adrian Peterson money?
WSS
Sorry if I did but what was unfair?
It was pretty much what Holmgren said.
I don't like the public bellyaching though I do like Cribbs a lot.
I think the grousing and threatening to go on strike is counter productive.
I guess the market will bear out whether the team is unfair when someone gives us a #1 and pays him 5 mil a year.
But like somebody said sooner or later everybody just kicks the other way.
Should Harrison now get Adrian Peterson money?
WSS
Steve shoot me an email [email protected] if interested in potential Akron gig down in Valley.
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(career numbers below)
Hester
RECEIVING: 128 catches for 1721-yrds, 8-TD's
Cribbs
RECEIVING: 36 catches for 288-yrds, 2-TD's
Hester
PUNT RETURN: 145 rtrns for 1636-yrds (11.3 avg), 7-TD's
Cribbs
PUNT RETURN: 103 rtrns for 1141-yrds (7.9 avg), 2-TD's
Hester
KICK RETURN: 101 rtrns for 2297-yrds (22.7 avg), 4-TD's
Cribbs
KICK RETURN: 262 rtrns for 7049-yrds (26.6 avg), 8-TD's
Hester
RUSHING: 18 carries for 50-yrds, 0-TD's
Cribbs
RUSHING: 95 carries for 620-yrds, 2-TD's
Where does Cribbs fit-in in comparison to Hester? That is the million dollar question.
Now ask yourselves, how long do players last as Punt & Kick Returners?
How important are ANY yards, no matter where they come from? Cribbs totals 9098-yrds, Hester just 5704-yrds from above totals.
Do you think Holmgren will continue to run the WildDawg?
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All things considered, I'm shocked by how cocky the Browns are. Are you seriously refusing to pay your best player? Get over yourself, the man has earned a raise. Pay him what he's worth and shut up. Mangini already gave this place a bad rep among free agents with his little extra practice, i mean injury sessions. Now you're sending the message that you won't pay your own guys what they're worth. You wouldn't keep Quinn in to avoid paying him either. This franchise is becoming embarrassing.
Jeez tdubs, there's so many things wrong in you're badly worded paragraph I don't know where to begin.
This is Holmgrens call now, 0 to do with Mangini.
No FA's?..The cap was a mess, we couldn't afford any big time FA's..thanks Phil S.
The "opportunity periods" were for younger players not vets..How did that work out for us at the end of the year?
Quinn would have gotten his esculators if he didn't get hurt..AGAIN..we should pay him per completion..lol
FYI..Cribbs has 3 YEARS left..no one held a gun to his head to sign the last deal..really
Cribbs is a great player ,but this issue is Cribbs fault
Jeez tdubs, there's so many things wrong in you're badly worded paragraph I don't know where to begin.
This is Holmgrens call now, 0 to do with Mangini.
No FA's?..The cap was a mess, we couldn't afford any big time FA's..thanks Phil S.
The "opportunity periods" were for younger players not vets..How did that work out for us at the end of the year?
Quinn would have gotten his esculators if he didn't get hurt..AGAIN..we should pay him per completion..lol
FYI..Cribbs has 3 YEARS left..no one held a gun to his head to sign the last deal..really
Cribbs is a great player ,but this issue is Cribbs fault
Exactly Peterbell! You are spot on!!! There are so many people that just dont get it!!!! They'll take whatever they read or hear in the media and eat it for breakfast lunch and dinner!!! Team was a absolute mess with no cap space and very little draft picks with a roster that was inherited that may have been the least talented in the nfl, and if not, definately in the bottom 5! With what coach Mangini had to work with he has done an excellent job and laid the foundation. Even though jets fans wouldnt admit it he is the reason why they are what they are now! A team with lots of talent that will be a perennial playoff contender in the upcoming years because of the guys he brought in over there over the past three years. He built that team to have a solid defense and a mauling run game. Now they have the number 1 defense and the number 1 run game! Mainly because of a team built over the last three years with a lot of depth and good use of clearing cap space so there was money available to bring the big free agents in down the road. That is exactly the direction and same thing we are seeing here now and within the next couple of years likely where the cleveland browns will be and i love it. Enough of my rant on that as i know this is a cribbs post.
The cribbs situation is his own fault. He should be glad that the browns are even trying to renegotiate his contract because they certainly dont have to. Having said that i agree that his performance does merrit more money and i think that our first offer came in low but that is negotiating! If he was that appauled by that offer than cribbs is being unreasonable. People need to be patient and not jump off on things right away this is negotiating we dont have a gm yet, why should the browns offer him all the money he wants right away when the guy is already under contract. Now everyones worried he is definately gone. This reminds me of when everyone wanted mangini fired right after just 3 games. People just dont get it!!!! Show some patience things will get worked out!
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There's a few items that hold no weight in any contractual argument in the NFL.
1. Contracts aren't guarenteed, unlike the NBA. Teams can cut you at several different times during the year and only have your salary count against the cap, they don't have to pay you. If you don't play up to snuff, your cut, you don't get anything from the remaining years of your contract.
2. If you get injured, you get a settlement, not the whole amount of the remaining years of your contract.
3. The career lifespan of an NFL player is short. They have no option but to get as much money as possible in the few short years they have the ability to play. No one is going to play for free, just for the honor of being in the NFL. Everyone here would do the exact same thing.
4. Teams renegotiate contracts daily to adjust to salary cap, changing salaries of other players, and general interest in saving money. Its not uncommon to change a long-term contract after 1 year or 2 years. Almost all contracts are extended before the original one expires. If they were not, the team couldn't restrict other teams from signing the player.
In all seriousness, this is a business. Both sides have an interest, one to make as much as possible and one to pay as few dollars as possible. There are at least 53 other players with contracts, all of which are different lengths and amounts and conditions. Its not an easy job to juggle all of this, but that's why Dawn and whomever else is employed by the team. The fact remains that you have to make sure your best players are happy, and that can be done fairly with a salary that is appropriate to their contribution to the team.
Everyone knows that Josh is one of the biggest contributors to the team. Other teams must gameplan around him. The gameplan changes when he's on the field, whether that's offense or special teams, he's an impact player that stats alone can't justify. You don't pay your impact players $1.4 mil, that's just reality. Personally I don't think $2.5 mil is enough either but apparently his agent does.
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Interesting point brought up by Doerschuk at the Canton Repository. The agent for Josh Cribbs (Schaffer) is also the agent for Joe Thomas. Doesn't mean we won't eventually get something done with JC, but we are talking about a lot more cake than just the one contract here.
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He's been asking for a new contract since the RAC/Savage era, then again when Mangini came.... now Holmgren. He's been playing for 4th string QB money. Everyone knows he is underpaid. Pay the man, and lets move on... simple. He won all 5 games for us this year... simple!
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He's been asking for a new contract since the RAC/Savage era, then again when Mangini came.... now Holmgren. He's been playing for 4th string QB money. Everyone knows he is underpaid. Pay the man, and lets move on... simple. He won all 5 games for us this year... simple!
He's been asking for a new contract since the RAC/Savage era, then again when Mangini came.... now Holmgren. He's been playing for 4th string QB money. Everyone knows he is underpaid. Pay the man, and lets move on... simple. He wont all 5 games for us this year... simple!
or he could just stay committed to the contract HE agreed to play for
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Joe Thomas was a top 3? draft pick.
Cribbs wasn't drafted, right?
Back then, he signed an entry level, security contract.
If I were Cribbs, I'd take the 1.4 million and do a happy dance
in the coming years.
Since when does an undrafted *STAR* sneeze at 1.4 million, when he isn't any FA?
If the Browns will only double his salary, then why not just keep quiet, and let your agent renegotiate
you contract for a shorter term or something?
Using the fans and media for leverage is unbecoming a star special player who LOVES being a CLEVELAND BROWN,
and came into the league undrafted.
I mean, seriously, Mr. Cribbs -
Love ya, man, but that's a hell of a nice raise already.
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