Cribbs intends to walk after low offer
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Interesting point brought up by Doerschuk at the Canton Repository. The agent for Josh Cribbs (Schaffer) is also the agent for Joe Thomas. Doesn't mean we won't eventually get something done with JC, but we are talking about a lot more cake than just the one contract here.
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He's been asking for a new contract since the RAC/Savage era, then again when Mangini came.... now Holmgren. He's been playing for 4th string QB money. Everyone knows he is underpaid. Pay the man, and lets move on... simple. He won all 5 games for us this year... simple!
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He's been asking for a new contract since the RAC/Savage era, then again when Mangini came.... now Holmgren. He's been playing for 4th string QB money. Everyone knows he is underpaid. Pay the man, and lets move on... simple. He won all 5 games for us this year... simple!
He's been asking for a new contract since the RAC/Savage era, then again when Mangini came.... now Holmgren. He's been playing for 4th string QB money. Everyone knows he is underpaid. Pay the man, and lets move on... simple. He wont all 5 games for us this year... simple!
or he could just stay committed to the contract HE agreed to play for
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Joe Thomas was a top 3? draft pick.
Cribbs wasn't drafted, right?
Back then, he signed an entry level, security contract.
If I were Cribbs, I'd take the 1.4 million and do a happy dance
in the coming years.
Since when does an undrafted *STAR* sneeze at 1.4 million, when he isn't any FA?
If the Browns will only double his salary, then why not just keep quiet, and let your agent renegotiate
you contract for a shorter term or something?
Using the fans and media for leverage is unbecoming a star special player who LOVES being a CLEVELAND BROWN,
and came into the league undrafted.
I mean, seriously, Mr. Cribbs -
Love ya, man, but that's a hell of a nice raise already.
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Joe Thomas was a top 3? draft pick.
Cribbs wasn't drafted, right?
Back then, he signed an entry level, security contract.
If I were Cribbs, I'd take the 1.4 million and do a happy dance
in the coming years.
Since when does an undrafted *STAR* sneeze at 1.4 million, when he isn't any FA?
If the Browns will only double his salary, then why not just keep quiet, and let your agent renegotiate
you contract for a shorter term or something?
Using the fans and media for leverage is unbecoming a star special player who LOVES being a CLEVELAND BROWN,
and came into the league undrafted.
I mean, seriously, Mr. Cribbs -
Love ya, man, but that's a hell of a nice raise already.
Joe Thomas was a top 3? draft pick.
Cribbs wasn't drafted, right?
Back then, he signed an entry level, security contract.
If I were Cribbs, I'd take the 1.4 million and do a happy dance
in the coming years.
Since when does an undrafted *STAR* sneeze at 1.4 million, when he isn't any FA?
If the Browns will only double his salary, then why not just keep quiet, and let your agent renegotiate
you contract for a shorter term or something?
Using the fans and media for leverage is unbecoming a star special player who LOVES being a CLEVELAND BROWN,
and came into the league undrafted.
I mean, seriously, Mr. Cribbs -
Love ya, man, but that's a hell of a nice raise already.
Maybe Cribbs is taking too much career advice from Dieon "Pay the Man" Sanders.
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(career numbers below)
Hester
RECEIVING: 128 catches for 1721-yrds, 8-TD's
Cribbs
RECEIVING: 36 catches for 288-yrds, 2-TD's
Hester
PUNT RETURN: 145 rtrns for 1636-yrds (11.3 avg), 7-TD's
Cribbs
PUNT RETURN: 103 rtrns for 1141-yrds (7.9 avg), 2-TD's
Hester
KICK RETURN: 101 rtrns for 2297-yrds (22.7 avg), 4-TD's
Cribbs
KICK RETURN: 262 rtrns for 7049-yrds (26.6 avg), 8-TD's
Hester
RUSHING: 18 carries for 50-yrds, 0-TD's
Cribbs
RUSHING: 95 carries for 620-yrds, 2-TD's
Where does Cribbs fit-in in comparison to Hester? That is the million dollar question.
Now ask yourselves, how long do players last as Punt & Kick Returners?
How important are ANY yards, no matter where they come from? Cribbs totals 9098-yrds, Hester just 5704-yrds from above totals.
Do you think Holmgren will continue to run the WildDawg?
(career numbers below)
Hester
RECEIVING: 128 catches for 1721-yrds, 8-TD's
Cribbs
RECEIVING: 36 catches for 288-yrds, 2-TD's
Hester
PUNT RETURN: 145 rtrns for 1636-yrds (11.3 avg), 7-TD's
Cribbs
PUNT RETURN: 103 rtrns for 1141-yrds (7.9 avg), 2-TD's
Hester
KICK RETURN: 101 rtrns for 2297-yrds (22.7 avg), 4-TD's
Cribbs
KICK RETURN: 262 rtrns for 7049-yrds (26.6 avg), 8-TD's
Hester
RUSHING: 18 carries for 50-yrds, 0-TD's
Cribbs
RUSHING: 95 carries for 620-yrds, 2-TD's
Where does Cribbs fit-in in comparison to Hester? That is the million dollar question.
Now ask yourselves, how long do players last as Punt & Kick Returners?
How important are ANY yards, no matter where they come from? Cribbs totals 9098-yrds, Hester just 5704-yrds from above totals.
Do you think Holmgren will continue to run the WildDawg?
Good comparison, Cribbs signed the contract for multiple years and they want to double his salary? He should take it. Just maybe he should counter offer before yelping and then maybe they will throw some guarantted money his way in a signing bonus.
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All things considered, I'm shocked by how cocky the Browns are. Are you seriously refusing to pay your best player? Get over yourself, the man has earned a raise. Pay him what he's worth and shut up. Mangini already gave this place a bad rep among free agents with his little extra practice, i mean injury sessions. Now you're sending the message that you won't pay your own guys what they're worth. You wouldn't keep Quinn in to avoid paying him either. This franchise is becoming embarrassing.
Jeez tdubs, there's so many things wrong in you're badly worded paragraph I don't know where to begin.
This is Holmgrens call now, 0 to do with Mangini.
No FA's?..The cap was a mess, we couldn't afford any big time FA's..thanks Phil S.
The "opportunity periods" were for younger players not vets..How did that work out for us at the end of the year?
Quinn would have gotten his esculators if he didn't get hurt..AGAIN..we should pay him per completion..lol
FYI..Cribbs has 3 YEARS left..no one held a gun to his head to sign the last deal..really
Cribbs is a great player ,but this issue is Cribbs fault
No FA's?..The cap was a mess, we couldn't afford any big time FA's..thanks Phil S.
The "opportunity periods" were for younger players not vets..How did that work out for us at the end of the year?
And lets not forget that we paid RAC 4 mil last year (4yrs left on contract) to sit on his ass and recover from hip surgery. Then if we fire E.M. there is another few million out the window.
So we could have millions of dollars tied up in coaches that are getting paid to just go away. The only hope we have of getting any relief from this is hope that both E.M. and RAC get another job this year.
Is RAC going to take a job with the chiefs for less money or take the 16mil over the next few years, and the amount of potential coaching vacancy's that are out there this year, I don't see E.M. finding a new home, so we could possibly be paying 2 ex coaches millions to sit. WTF!
But lets really low ball our offer too our "proven" best player. It makes no sense.
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I wonder why the chiefs want him so bad
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OK how about this.
League minimum PLUS $250.000 for each touchdown.
WSS
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All things considered, I'm shocked by how cocky the Browns are. Are you seriously refusing to pay your best player? Get over yourself, the man has earned a raise. Pay him what he's worth and shut up. Mangini already gave this place a bad rep among free agents with his little extra practice, i mean injury sessions. Now you're sending the message that you won't pay your own guys what they're worth. You wouldn't keep Quinn in to avoid paying him either. This franchise is becoming embarrassing.
Jeez tdubs, there's so many things wrong in you're badly worded paragraph I don't know where to begin.
This is Holmgrens call now, 0 to do with Mangini.
No FA's?..The cap was a mess, we couldn't afford any big time FA's..thanks Phil S.
The "opportunity periods" were for younger players not vets..How did that work out for us at the end of the year?
Quinn would have gotten his esculators if he didn't get hurt..AGAIN..we should pay him per completion..lol
FYI..Cribbs has 3 YEARS left..no one held a gun to his head to sign the last deal..really
Cribbs is a great player ,but this issue is Cribbs fault
Jeez tdubs, there's so many things wrong in you're badly worded paragraph I don't know where to begin.
This is Holmgrens call now, 0 to do with Mangini.
No FA's?..The cap was a mess, we couldn't afford any big time FA's..thanks Phil S.
The "opportunity periods" were for younger players not vets..How did that work out for us at the end of the year?
Quinn would have gotten his esculators if he didn't get hurt..AGAIN..we should pay him per completion..lol
FYI..Cribbs has 3 YEARS left..no one held a gun to his head to sign the last deal..really
Cribbs is a great player ,but this issue is Cribbs fault
Wow, where to begin?
First of all, the only mention of Mangini I made was in regards to his practice sessions. Where did I mention that the Cribbs situation was Mangini's issue?
Secondly, an analyst on my local sports talk radio was the one who said that Mangini's extra sessions where making waves with potential free agents. If you can't see how they would, then that's on you.
3rd, Quinn's injury didn't prevent him from hitting esCALators, Mangini giving him the quick hook did. Everyone knows that Anderson would have started the entire rest of the year if it wasn't for the pressure put on Mangini to put him back in after Anderson stunk it up.
I don't care how much longer Cribbs has left, pay him what he's worth. What makes the Browns better, if Cribbs plays above or below his pay grade? Are you seriously faulting Cribbs for improving his game to deserve a raise? If that's the case, then you'll only get players playing to the level of their contract and not trying to improve. Cribbs signed a contract at his production level, he currently is exceeding it, he deserves a raise. Are the Browns obligated to give him one? No, he did sign a contract. But that's a great message to send to your team, "We don't reward your improvement".
Apply this situation to your own life. You work at McDonalds (for the sake of argument) making $6/hour. You do twice the work of someone making $9/hour. How happy are you? McDonald's doesn't have to pay you anymore, you signed a contract. But you're either going to demand a raise, find another job, or work down to your $6/wage. Same thing here.
The Browns have 1 good thing going for them, and they're ready to let him walk over 1.1mil (according to the article). If the Browns are having trouble selling tickets now, let's see them sell tickets when the main attraction is friggin' Alex Mack. Cribbs is worth the money.
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I didn't like the article that was posted the other night about his agent revealing publicly what the offer was and what Cribbs has said lately. But I really don't think we can afford to lose this kid, he loves playing here and if he is utilized better he can be a dangerous weapon.
IMO he should be glad he is getting his salary doubled, I'd love to make $1.4 million a year...
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Someone close to Cribbs will eventually sit this kid down, explain to him that he's getting an unprecedented "out" from an admittedly undervalued contract, but as such he can't expect to receive the same type of contract that he would get if he were a free agent.
He has limited options. He can sit out and forgo his paycheck. Given a low paycheck and risk of injury by playing this is a card he might be willing to pay for a time. But that's unlikely to force a trade and even if he does get traded, the "cost" whatever the next team gives up to get him will be deducted from the salary that his new team pays.
Or he can come back to the negotiating table and make a counter offer - but he needs to recognize he won't get the same value as if he were a free agent.
The one thing he won't be able to do is to threaten Holmgren into laying down for him. Holmgren knows that will cause major harm in the long-term. Mangini made the mistake of caving to player demands in the past and it haunts him today - players and agents know they can manipulate him.
Holmgren would rather allow Cribbs to sit himself down and take no money than send a message to other players that he's a pushover.
Someone will eventually explain all of this to Cribbs and he'll be back playing for the Browns next season (though I could see this issue going on well into Training Camp).
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OK how about this.
League minimum PLUS $250.000 for each touchdown.
WSS
OK how about this.
League minimum PLUS $250.000 for each touchdown.
WSS
I think Cribbs is interested in a big guarantee - not incentives. Why would he agree to having absolutely no financial security in case of injury?
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Jeez tdubs, there's so many things wrong in you're badly worded paragraph I don't know where to begin.
This is Holmgrens call now, 0 to do with Mangini.
No FA's?..The cap was a mess, we couldn't afford any big time FA's..thanks Phil S.
The "opportunity periods" were for younger players not vets..How did that work out for us at the end of the year?
Quinn would have gotten his esculators if he didn't get hurt..AGAIN..we should pay him per completion..lol
FYI..Cribbs has 3 YEARS left..no one held a gun to his head to sign the last deal..really
Cribbs is a great player ,but this issue is Cribbs fault
Wow, where to begin?
First of all, the only mention of Mangini I made was in regards to his practice sessions. Where did I mention that the Cribbs situation was Mangini's issue?
Secondly, an analyst on my local sports talk radio was the one who said that Mangini's extra sessions where making waves with potential free agents. If you can't see how they would, then that's on you.
3rd, Quinn's injury didn't prevent him from hitting esCALators, Mangini giving him the quick hook did. Everyone knows that Anderson would have started the entire rest of the year if it wasn't for the pressure put on Mangini to put him back in after Anderson stunk it up.
I don't care how much longer Cribbs has left, pay him what he's worth. What makes the Browns better, if Cribbs plays above or below his pay grade? Are you seriously faulting Cribbs for improving his game to deserve a raise? If that's the case, then you'll only get players playing to the level of their contract and not trying to improve. Cribbs signed a contract at his production level, he currently is exceeding it, he deserves a raise. Are the Browns obligated to give him one? No, he did sign a contract. But that's a great message to send to your team, "We don't reward your improvement".
Apply this situation to your own life. You work at McDonalds (for the sake of argument) making $6/hour. You do twice the work of someone making $9/hour. How happy are you? McDonald's doesn't have to pay you anymore, you signed a contract. But you're either going to demand a raise, find another job, or work down to your $6/wage. Same thing here.
The Browns have 1 good thing going for them, and they're ready to let him walk over 1.1mil (according to the article). If the Browns are having trouble selling tickets now, let's see them sell tickets when the main attraction is friggin' Alex Mack. Cribbs is worth the money.
Apply this situation to your own life. You work at McDonalds (for the sake of argument) making $6/hour. You do twice the work of someone making $9/hour. How happy are you? McDonald's doesn't have to pay you anymore, you signed a contract. But you're either going to demand a raise, find another job, or work down to your $6/wage. Same thing here.
You clearly have a limited understanding of how contracts work in the NFL and probably football in general. Ok, let's go with your McD's analogy. Tdub, say you sign a 1 year contract with McD's to work the french fry machine for $6 an hour. After 2 months on the job, you find out you are a badass at kicking out french fries while those lazy bitches at the counter make $9 and hour for doing nothing. You go to your boss and say, "I am the baddest french fry making motherf-er on the planet. I bust out 20 trays and hour while all other fry makers can only do 13 trays. I want a raise to $18 an hour (roughly the equivalent of cribbs)" Manager pulls out your contract where it states that you signed at 6 bucks and you are contractually obligated at that rate. The contract also states you cannot go over to the burger king across the street and flip fries no matter if they want to pay you $100 an hour until the remaining 10 months on your contract is served. Your manager is even nice enough to pay you $12 (what browns offered) because he admits that you are pretty badass at flipping fries. If you don't like it, you can 1. quit (sit out for the rest of the contract) 2. get ur ass back to the fry cooker and serve your 10 months. Now your manager can shop you to burger king if he can get great value for you, but that isn't up to you. It isn't McDonald's fault that you signed on at 6 bucks an hour for longer than you wanted to be under contract. It is your fault and whoever is advising you (probably your mom if you work at McDonalds).
NFL contracts are complex, but that is the basic situation for Cribbs as I understand it.
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We have the cap space and the guy is a true football player.
2.5 is reasonable and affordable for a guy that can be a game breaker and makes as many big plays as he does and did all season..if he is not a WR then go get one..
Having Josh Cribbs on our team is an asset period.
PAY HIM by giving negociating a larger signing bonus ..a little more on the salary and move on... we've certainly paid more for less talent in the past
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Apply this situation to your own life. You work at McDonalds (for the sake of argument) making $6/hour. You do twice the work of someone making $9/hour. How happy are you? McDonald's doesn't have to pay you anymore, you signed a contract. But you're either going to demand a raise, find another job, or work down to your $6/wage. Same thing here.
You clearly have a limited understanding of how contracts work in the NFL and probably football in general. Ok, let's go with your McD's analogy. Tdub, say you sign a 1 year contract with McD's to work the french fry machine for $6 an hour. After 2 months on the job, you find out you are a badass at kicking out french fries while those lazy bitches at the counter make $9 and hour for doing nothing. You go to your boss and say, "I am the baddest french fry making motherf-er on the planet. I bust out 20 trays and hour while all other fry makers can only do 13 trays. I want a raise to $18 an hour (roughly the equivalent of cribbs)" Manager pulls out your contract where it states that you signed at 6 bucks and you are contractually obligated at that rate. The contract also states you cannot go over to the burger king across the street and flip fries no matter if they want to pay you $100 an hour until the remaining 10 months on your contract is served. Your manager is even nice enough to pay you $12 (what browns offered) because he admits that you are pretty badass at flipping fries. If you don't like it, you can 1. quit (sit out for the rest of the contract) 2. get ur ass back to the fry cooker and serve your 10 months. Now your manager can shop you to burger king if he can get great value for you, but that isn't up to you. It isn't McDonald's fault that you signed on at 6 bucks an hour for longer than you wanted to be under contract. It is your fault and whoever is advising you (probably your mom if you work at McDonalds).
NFL contracts are complex, but that is the basic situation for Cribbs as I understand it.
You clearly have a limited understanding of how contracts work in the NFL and probably football in general. Ok, let's go with your McD's analogy. Tdub, say you sign a 1 year contract with McD's to work the french fry machine for $6 an hour. After 2 months on the job, you find out you are a badass at kicking out french fries while those lazy bitches at the counter make $9 and hour for doing nothing. You go to your boss and say, "I am the baddest french fry making motherf-er on the planet. I bust out 20 trays and hour while all other fry makers can only do 13 trays. I want a raise to $18 an hour (roughly the equivalent of cribbs)" Manager pulls out your contract where it states that you signed at 6 bucks and you are contractually obligated at that rate. The contract also states you cannot go over to the burger king across the street and flip fries no matter if they want to pay you $100 an hour until the remaining 10 months on your contract is served. Your manager is even nice enough to pay you $12 (what browns offered) because he admits that you are pretty badass at flipping fries. If you don't like it, you can 1. quit (sit out for the rest of the contract) 2. get ur ass back to the fry cooker and serve your 10 months. Now your manager can shop you to burger king if he can get great value for you, but that isn't up to you. It isn't McDonald's fault that you signed on at 6 bucks an hour for longer than you wanted to be under contract. It is your fault and whoever is advising you (probably your mom if you work at McDonalds).
NFL contracts are complex, but that is the basic situation for Cribbs as I understand it.
Yes Cribbs made a mistake by signing that contract which did not seem like a mistake at the time. Right now though Cribbs has proven to us and everyone that he deserves to be making more money. You can't be serious with the doubling of his salary 1.4 millions in the NFL thats chump change and everyone knows it. Free agent or not Holmgren would be better served by paying this man what he deserves immediately.
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We have the cap space and the guy is a true football player.
2.5 is reasonable and affordable for a guy that can be a game breaker and makes as many big plays as he does and did all season..if he is not a WR then go get one..
Having Josh Cribbs on our team is an asset period.
PAY HIM by giving negociating a larger signing bonus ..a little more on the salary and move on... we've certainly paid more for less talent in the past
We have the cap space and the guy is a true football player.
2.5 is reasonable and affordable for a guy that can be a game breaker and makes as many big plays as he does and did all season..if he is not a WR then go get one..Having Josh Cribbs on our team is an asset period.
PAY HIM by giving negociating a larger signing bonus ..a little more on the salary and move on... we've certainly paid more for less talent in the past
if he's just going to be a STer then he should get paid STer money which is about 1-1.5 mil max
Cribbs is also asking for more then the 2,5 you mentioned
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You clearly have a limited understanding of how contracts work in the NFL and probably football in general. Ok, let's go with your McD's analogy. Tdub, say you sign a 1 year contract with McD's to work the french fry machine for $6 an hour. After 2 months on the job, you find out you are a badass at kicking out french fries while those lazy bitches at the counter make $9 and hour for doing nothing. You go to your boss and say, "I am the baddest french fry making motherf-er on the planet. I bust out 20 trays and hour while all other fry makers can only do 13 trays. I want a raise to $18 an hour (roughly the equivalent of cribbs)" Manager pulls out your contract where it states that you signed at 6 bucks and you are contractually obligated at that rate. The contract also states you cannot go over to the burger king across the street and flip fries no matter if they want to pay you $100 an hour until the remaining 10 months on your contract is served. Your manager is even nice enough to pay you $12 (what browns offered) because he admits that you are pretty badass at flipping fries. If you don't like it, you can 1. quit (sit out for the rest of the contract) 2. get ur ass back to the fry cooker and serve your 10 months. Now your manager can shop you to burger king if he can get great value for you, but that isn't up to you. It isn't McDonald's fault that you signed on at 6 bucks an hour for longer than you wanted to be under contract. It is your fault and whoever is advising you (probably your mom if you work at McDonalds).
NFL contracts are complex, but that is the basic situation for Cribbs as I understand it.
Yes Cribbs made a mistake by signing that contract which did not seem like a mistake at the time. Right now though Cribbs has proven to us and everyone that he deserves to be making more money. You can't be serious with the doubling of his salary 1.4 millions in the NFL thats chump change and everyone knows it. Free agent or not Holmgren would be better served by paying this man what he deserves immediately.
Yes Cribbs made a mistake by signing that contract which did not seem like a mistake at the time. Right now though Cribbs has proven to us and everyone that he deserves to be making more money. You can't be serious with the doubling of his salary 1.4 millions in the NFL thats chump change and everyone knows it. Free agent or not Holmgren would be better served by paying this man what he deserves immediately.
or what? Cribbs cant do anything but ruin his career he pretty much has to take what the browns offer him or chances are his career is done because just because he demands a trade doesnt mean it will happen
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OK how about this.
League minimum PLUS $250.000 for each touchdown.
WSS
I think Cribbs is interested in a big guarantee - not incentives. Why would he agree to having absolutely no financial security in case of injury?
I think Cribbs is interested in a big guarantee - not incentives. Why would he agree to having absolutely no financial security in case of injury?
Why would the Brwons agree to pay star money to a guy who will not see the ball drift his way?
It isn't a matter of why anyway.
It was his agent that signed him up for the security that an undrafted free agent wants.
WSS
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If he walks over to walmart he will find that they pay way less than $1.4 mil
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