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  • Draft a coaching staff.

    DWJ

  • How many of our player can we trade? I'm thinking somewhere around 15.

    But what would we do with 15 extra 7th round picks?

  • Ricky Sapp, a guy I mentioned as a 3-4 OLB prospect, suffered a partially-torn ACL on Saturday.

    Sapp's a junior, so he's now expected to return to Clemson for his senior year.

  • percy harvin's an interesting kid. i'd liken him to an unpolished santana moss. he's got great speed and good hands but doesn't really know how to play receiver. at the same time, he's nowhere near tough enough to be a NFL-caliber RB. i don't think there's a GM in the league who's thinking of putting him in the backfield now that milllen's gone.

    he'll run a good forty, i think, which should put him at least in the second round. i just don't think he warrants first-round consideration because he's such a project, such a boom-or-bust type player. he could be great, but i think it's more likely he'll be chad jackson.

  • It's amazing that this is the guy who may not be physical/tough enough to play receiver in the NFL:

    339530221_104_080725_harvinpercy_11.jpg

    "An unpolished Santana Moss" is an interesting comparison. Personally, I like DTBH's Reggie Bush comparison, but Moss works as well.

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    It's amazing that this is the guy who may not be physical/tough enough to play receiver in the NFL:

    339530221_104_080725_harvinpercy_11.jpg

    "An unpolished Santana Moss" is an interesting comparison. Personally, I like DTBH's Reggie Bush comparison, but Moss works as well.

    Aloysius said:

    It's amazing that this is the guy who may not be physical/tough enough to play receiver in the NFL:

    339530221_104_080725_harvinpercy_11.jpg

    "An unpolished Santana Moss" is an interesting comparison. Personally, I like DTBH's Reggie Bush comparison, but Moss works as well.

    Big muscles don't make you "physically tough". You have to be able to take the hit, and take the pain. Remember our Defensive linemen "big money" and the other dufus who Suggs from Tampa Bay called a sissy?

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • You're right, DH. But it's still surprising to read that a guy with guns like Harvin's won't be able to consistently break the jam at the next level.

  • Interesting tidbit from SI:

    After Ohio State's convincing victory over Michigan in Ann Arbor, running back Chris Wells was one of the last players to leave the field, hugging well wishers and mingling with the fans in the end zone. As one NFL scout at the game said, "It looked like Wells' last hurrah at the Horseshoe," inferring the Buckeye ball carrier may have played his final game in an Ohio State uniform and is likely to be playing on Sundays next year.

  • i know, it's absolutely insane that a guy like harvin can be considered soft, but that's today's NFL. to be considered tough, you have to cause nightmares.

    i like the bush comparison, too. i chose moss because he and harvin are both receivers and moss is great return guy with amazing run after the catch ability. moss just runs good routes which it doesn't seem that harvin yet knows how to do.

  • J JewDago

    i know, it's absolutely insane that a guy like harvin can be considered soft, but that's today's NFL. to be considered tough, you have to cause nightmares.

    i like the bush comparison, too. i chose moss because he and harvin are both receivers and moss is great return guy with amazing run after the catch ability. moss just runs good routes which it doesn't seem that harvin yet knows how to do.

    @jewdago said:

    i know, it's absolutely insane that a guy like harvin can be considered soft, but that's today's NFL. to be considered tough, you have to cause nightmares.

    i like the bush comparison, too. i chose moss because he and harvin are both receivers and moss is great return guy with amazing run after the catch ability. moss just runs good routes which it doesn't seem that harvin yet knows how to do.

    Great point.

  • Toughness is not in physical size. It's a mindset and can be evidenced by how a guy takes on contact. The best running backs are guys that actually delivererd the blow instead of bracing to find the safest and least painful way to accept it from the defender.

  • Little Animal fans will love Chris Steuber's Big Board:

    #1 James Laurinaitis, LB, OSUSteuber Says: Laurinaitis is a gifted defender who has great instincts, ball skills and leadership qualities. He has the unique ability to change the face of a game in one play.#2 Rey Maualuga, LB, USCSteuber Says: A terrorizing tackler with great instincts and leadership qualities, Maualuga flies around the ball and is always in position to make a play.#3 Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss

    #4 Malcolm Jenkins, CB, OSU

    #5 William Moore, FS, Missouri

    #6 Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

    #7 Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest

    Steuber Says: An athletic linebacker who makes plays all over the field, Curry has great ball skills and is strong against the run. One of the many premier LBs eligible next year.#8 Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri

    #9 Brian Cushing, LB, USC

    #10 Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

    Steuber Says: Orakpo is an athletic, explosive defender, who has to add more bulk to his frame. He has the potential to be a dominant pass rusher, but durability is a concern.#11 Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State

    #12 Alphono Smith, CB, Wake Forest

    #13 Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech

    #14 Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss

    #15 Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinatti

    #16 Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

    #17 Alex Mack, C, Cal

    #18 Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma

    #19 Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

  • with underclassman coming out, there's a good chance we could end up with aaron curry. cushing and orakpo's injury histories scare me, as does the fact that texas players have recently had tough times adjusting to life outside of austin.

    it's also likely we'll be in position to nab a top-flite safety like moore or mays. if we're very, very lucky, we could get patrick chung in round 2, but that would take an extraordinary sequence of events.

  • Actually, with 3 top flight S's, Chung may just fall to about 40ish....which is about where we will be drafting without a trade up. Even if we need to trade up a bit..I say we do it.

    Perfect draft for me:

    1st rd: Curry

    2nd rd: Chung

    Both are great vs the run. Both are ball-hawks. Both are technically sound. Both have great flexibility.

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  • i'd be nuts about that draft, too, but i don't think chung is in quite the class that moore and mays are.

  • I haven't watched Chung closely, but this scouting report seems to sum up the pro's & con's well:

    Positives: Durable, consistent performer. Enters his senior season with 38 consecutive starts. Well-built athlete. Instinctive defender. Reads the action quickly and is seemingly always around the ball. Closes quickly. Accomplished blitzer. Among the more reliable open-field tacklers in the country. Breaks down well in space and wraps his arms well to secure the tackle. Flashes explosive hitting ability. Versatile athlete who has seen time at cornerback and as a returner. Good lateral quickness and has a smooth change of direction while in coverage. At least adequate speed for coverage

    Negatives: Perfectly suited to the rover position and may struggle in a more traditional role. A bit smaller than most teams prefer in a run-stuffing strong safety type, but may lack the pure speed to handle the move to free safety. At his best facing the quarterback and running downhill towards the ball. Questionable deep speed. Physical player who can get a bit grabby while in coverage, leading to some holding calls.

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    Actually, with 3 top flight S's, Chung may just fall to about 40ish....which is about where we will be drafting without a trade up. Even if we need to trade up a bit..I say we do it.

    Perfect draft for me:

    1st rd: Curry

    2nd rd: Chung

    Both are great vs the run. Both are ball-hawks. Both are technically sound. Both have great flexibility.

    @wpb-dawg-fan said:

    1st rd: Curry

    2nd rd: Chung

    Sounds like a good meal

    2009-10 Browns Prediction: 8-8

  • Here's an interesting article on USC's Brian Cushing.

    I didn't know that he initially planned to play for Ty Willingham at Notre Dame, then turned to USC when Ty was fired.

  • looking back on the past few drafts, the only impact safeties taken after the first were bob sanders and dawan landry, one of whom is a system player, while there have been impact linebackers taken all the way down to the fourth. here's the list with draft position:

    2003:

    ej henderson, 40

    pisa tinoisamoa, 43

    lance briggs, 68

    2004:

    karlos dansby, 33

    2005:

    lofa tatupu, 45

    odell thurman, 48

    channing crowder, 70

    2006:

    demeco ryans, 33

    thomas howard, 38

    2007:

    paul posluszny, 34

    lamarr woodley, 46

    david harris, 47

    i'm not saying that there are a plethora of linebackers available in each draft that are impact players, just that it's more likely to find one outside of round one than it is to find an impact safety; that should affect our draft strategy.

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  • Patrick Willis was taken with the 11th pick in '07.

    I bring it up because Aaron Curry reminds me a lot of Willis - he may not be as athletic (Willis ran a 4.38 40 at his pro day), but he's probably a more intelligent & instinctive player.

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