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  • Maybe a way to defuse all the negativity on these boards is to look ahead to the draft.

    Predict what pick the Browns might have and who might be there.

    Who's coming out early? What do we have for trade bait that other team want(hehe).

    I'm thinking we move up a few picks by offering a few current players.

    @hammertime said:

    Maybe a way to defuse all the negativity on these boards is to look ahead to the draft.

    That's pretty funny. You REALLY think anything can defuse negativity on this board? HAHHAHAH. I guess you have not been here very long. Now I just registered under a new name due to some computer issues, but I have been around here for a while... This board THRIVES on negativity... There would BE no board but for negativity... So now that I am done stating the obvious..

    1st round Runningback, Inside OL position in the top 3.. We have to run the ball, protect the QB, We need to get more, more, more , did I say MORE! on the DL, and then the rest of the defense. I believe we need to go back to a 4-3 then the linebackers we currently have on the roster become a strength..

    We need to get depth at wr somewhere too.. Anyway we can get about 16 draft picks??? Good thing we have some cap space because we need more help than just the draft will bring.. This team is not far off, but there are some glaring weaknesses... But we must beef up in the trenches.. no doubt about that. Tucker looks like he is done, Frahley struggles against good DT's.. we stupidly traded Faine when he fell out of favor (who is now playing pro bowl ball)..So a stud Center is higher on my wish list than a guard... there is Zero in the free agent market for RB's, and slim at wr though lance moore would be very very high on my list.

    But then I wanted adrian peterson last year so I doubt I will get the runningback or center this year either.. but those would be 2 of my top 4 picks..1st round definately at running back

  • After today, I think it's pretty clear that it's not too soon for draft talk.

    Aaron Curry's the guy I'm hoping we get in Round 1.

  • Draft a coaching staff.

    DWJ

  • How many of our player can we trade? I'm thinking somewhere around 15.

    But what would we do with 15 extra 7th round picks?

  • Ricky Sapp, a guy I mentioned as a 3-4 OLB prospect, suffered a partially-torn ACL on Saturday.

    Sapp's a junior, so he's now expected to return to Clemson for his senior year.

  • percy harvin's an interesting kid. i'd liken him to an unpolished santana moss. he's got great speed and good hands but doesn't really know how to play receiver. at the same time, he's nowhere near tough enough to be a NFL-caliber RB. i don't think there's a GM in the league who's thinking of putting him in the backfield now that milllen's gone.

    he'll run a good forty, i think, which should put him at least in the second round. i just don't think he warrants first-round consideration because he's such a project, such a boom-or-bust type player. he could be great, but i think it's more likely he'll be chad jackson.

  • It's amazing that this is the guy who may not be physical/tough enough to play receiver in the NFL:

    339530221_104_080725_harvinpercy_11.jpg

    "An unpolished Santana Moss" is an interesting comparison. Personally, I like DTBH's Reggie Bush comparison, but Moss works as well.

  • It's amazing that this is the guy who may not be physical/tough enough to play receiver in the NFL:

    339530221_104_080725_harvinpercy_11.jpg

    "An unpolished Santana Moss" is an interesting comparison. Personally, I like DTBH's Reggie Bush comparison, but Moss works as well.

    Aloysius said:

    It's amazing that this is the guy who may not be physical/tough enough to play receiver in the NFL:

    339530221_104_080725_harvinpercy_11.jpg

    "An unpolished Santana Moss" is an interesting comparison. Personally, I like DTBH's Reggie Bush comparison, but Moss works as well.

    Big muscles don't make you "physically tough". You have to be able to take the hit, and take the pain. Remember our Defensive linemen "big money" and the other dufus who Suggs from Tampa Bay called a sissy?

  • You're right, DH. But it's still surprising to read that a guy with guns like Harvin's won't be able to consistently break the jam at the next level.

  • Interesting tidbit from SI:

    After Ohio State's convincing victory over Michigan in Ann Arbor, running back Chris Wells was one of the last players to leave the field, hugging well wishers and mingling with the fans in the end zone. As one NFL scout at the game said, "It looked like Wells' last hurrah at the Horseshoe," inferring the Buckeye ball carrier may have played his final game in an Ohio State uniform and is likely to be playing on Sundays next year.
  • i know, it's absolutely insane that a guy like harvin can be considered soft, but that's today's NFL. to be considered tough, you have to cause nightmares.

    i like the bush comparison, too. i chose moss because he and harvin are both receivers and moss is great return guy with amazing run after the catch ability. moss just runs good routes which it doesn't seem that harvin yet knows how to do.

  • i know, it's absolutely insane that a guy like harvin can be considered soft, but that's today's NFL. to be considered tough, you have to cause nightmares.

    i like the bush comparison, too. i chose moss because he and harvin are both receivers and moss is great return guy with amazing run after the catch ability. moss just runs good routes which it doesn't seem that harvin yet knows how to do.

    @jewdago said:

    i know, it's absolutely insane that a guy like harvin can be considered soft, but that's today's NFL. to be considered tough, you have to cause nightmares.

    i like the bush comparison, too. i chose moss because he and harvin are both receivers and moss is great return guy with amazing run after the catch ability. moss just runs good routes which it doesn't seem that harvin yet knows how to do.

    Great point.

  • Toughness is not in physical size. It's a mindset and can be evidenced by how a guy takes on contact. The best running backs are guys that actually delivererd the blow instead of bracing to find the safest and least painful way to accept it from the defender.

  • Little Animal fans will love Chris Steuber's Big Board:

    #1 James Laurinaitis, LB, OSUSteuber Says: Laurinaitis is a gifted defender who has great instincts, ball skills and leadership qualities. He has the unique ability to change the face of a game in one play.#2 Rey Maualuga, LB, USCSteuber Says: A terrorizing tackler with great instincts and leadership qualities, Maualuga flies around the ball and is always in position to make a play.#3 Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss

    #4 Malcolm Jenkins, CB, OSU

    #5 William Moore, FS, Missouri

    #6 Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

    #7 Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest

    Steuber Says: An athletic linebacker who makes plays all over the field, Curry has great ball skills and is strong against the run. One of the many premier LBs eligible next year.#8 Chase Coffman, TE, Missouri

    #9 Brian Cushing, LB, USC

    #10 Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas

    Steuber Says: Orakpo is an athletic, explosive defender, who has to add more bulk to his frame. He has the potential to be a dominant pass rusher, but durability is a concern.#11 Javon Ringer, RB, Michigan State

    #12 Alphono Smith, CB, Wake Forest

    #13 Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech

    #14 Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss

    #15 Mike Mickens, CB, Cincinatti

    #16 Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU

    #17 Alex Mack, C, Cal

    #18 Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma

    #19 Jason Smith, OT, Baylor

  • with underclassman coming out, there's a good chance we could end up with aaron curry. cushing and orakpo's injury histories scare me, as does the fact that texas players have recently had tough times adjusting to life outside of austin.

    it's also likely we'll be in position to nab a top-flite safety like moore or mays. if we're very, very lucky, we could get patrick chung in round 2, but that would take an extraordinary sequence of events.

  • Actually, with 3 top flight S's, Chung may just fall to about 40ish....which is about where we will be drafting without a trade up. Even if we need to trade up a bit..I say we do it.

    Perfect draft for me:

    1st rd: Curry

    2nd rd: Chung

    Both are great vs the run. Both are ball-hawks. Both are technically sound. Both have great flexibility.

  • i'd be nuts about that draft, too, but i don't think chung is in quite the class that moore and mays are.

  • I haven't watched Chung closely, but this scouting report seems to sum up the pro's & con's well:

    Positives: Durable, consistent performer. Enters his senior season with 38 consecutive starts. Well-built athlete. Instinctive defender. Reads the action quickly and is seemingly always around the ball. Closes quickly. Accomplished blitzer. Among the more reliable open-field tacklers in the country. Breaks down well in space and wraps his arms well to secure the tackle. Flashes explosive hitting ability. Versatile athlete who has seen time at cornerback and as a returner. Good lateral quickness and has a smooth change of direction while in coverage. At least adequate speed for coverage

    Negatives: Perfectly suited to the rover position and may struggle in a more traditional role. A bit smaller than most teams prefer in a run-stuffing strong safety type, but may lack the pure speed to handle the move to free safety. At his best facing the quarterback and running downhill towards the ball. Questionable deep speed. Physical player who can get a bit grabby while in coverage, leading to some holding calls.

  • Actually, with 3 top flight S's, Chung may just fall to about 40ish....which is about where we will be drafting without a trade up. Even if we need to trade up a bit..I say we do it.

    Perfect draft for me:

    1st rd: Curry

    2nd rd: Chung

    Both are great vs the run. Both are ball-hawks. Both are technically sound. Both have great flexibility.

    @wpb-dawg-fan said:

    1st rd: Curry

    2nd rd: Chung

    Sounds like a good meal

  • Here's an interesting article on USC's Brian Cushing.

    I didn't know that he initially planned to play for Ty Willingham at Notre Dame, then turned to USC when Ty was fired.