Colts lack of integrity
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The Colts lack of integrity at the end of the season could (and hopefully will) come back to bite them in the ass.
Recall that the Colts and Jets played in like the next to last game of the season and the Colts were winning I believe in the second half when they "called off the dogs" and put in their scrub players to finish up against the Jets in that game. Recall that the Jets, whose playoff lives were on the line, came back to win that game by a slim margin.
The Colts, by choking it back, in essence manipulated the playoff scenario by allowing the Jets to win that game. If the Jets lose that game, their playoff dreams would have been over. If the Colts play that game with integrity, the Jets are likely sitting home. As it is, because they surrendered their integrity, the Jets, who would have been out had the the Colts won, are now one of the hottest teams in the playoffs and are vying against the Colts for the AFC title.
The move by the Colts could come back and bit them in the A$$. And I, for one, hope it does. I recall how the Colts did this a few years ago when the Browns playoff chances were on the line. If they beat the Titans, the Browns make the playoffs. But no, the Colts played their scrubs that whole game. It was still a close game, but the Tits won. If the Colts played THAT game with integrity, the Browns, not the Tits would have been in the playoffs.
So, here is hoping the Jets beat the Colts, and it would only be a fate which they deserve, because they manipulated the playoff by putting the Jets in there.
And also, personally, I don't see how that is any different than the Black Sox throwing games for money.
Fair to say?
The Colts lack of integrity at the end of the season could (and hopefully will) come back to bite them in the ass.
Recall that the Colts and Jets played in like the next to last game of the season and the Colts were winning I believe in the second half when they "called off the dogs" and put in their scrub players to finish up against the Jets in that game. Recall that the Jets, whose playoff lives were on the line, came back to win that game by a slim margin.
The Colts, by choking it back, in essence manipulated the playoff scenario by allowing the Jets to win that game. If the Jets lose that game, their playoff dreams would have been over. If the Colts play that game with integrity, the Jets are likely sitting home. As it is, because they surrendered their integrity, the Jets, who would have been out had the the Colts won, are now one of the hottest teams in the playoffs and are vying against the Colts for the AFC title.
The move by the Colts could come back and bit them in the A$$. And I, for one, hope it does. I recall how the Colts did this a few years ago when the Browns playoff chances were on the line. If they beat the Titans, the Browns make the playoffs. But no, the Colts played their scrubs that whole game. It was still a close game, but the Tits won. If the Colts played THAT game with integrity, the Browns, not the Tits would have been in the playoffs.
So, here is hoping the Jets beat the Colts, and it would only be a fate which they deserve, because they manipulated the playoff by putting the Jets in there.
And also, personally, I don't see how that is any different than the Black Sox throwing games for money.
Fair to say?
Yes- and I for one agree with you. I don't want to see Braylon in the SB, but if he does make it, the Jets ought to send a big "thank you" to the Colts for making it possible.
BTW, I'll have to give credit to Mr. Rooney of the Steelers suggesting to the competition committee the last three games of the season ought to be against your division foes- unless some team is a runaway winner- it would put a stop to some of this BS.
IMHO, it's not only unfair to the other teams in playoff contention, [[[the argument "win more games then" doesn't hold water- as a playoff contending coach, I'd sure like to get an effective bye, if another team is getting one]]] it's also unfair to the fans who payed full freight to see Manning play.
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The Colts lack of integrity at the end of the season could (and hopefully will) come back to bite them in the ass.
Recall that the Colts and Jets played in like the next to last game of the season and the Colts were winning I believe in the second half when they "called off the dogs" and put in their scrub players to finish up against the Jets in that game. Recall that the Jets, whose playoff lives were on the line, came back to win that game by a slim margin.
The Colts, by choking it back, in essence manipulated the playoff scenario by allowing the Jets to win that game. If the Jets lose that game, their playoff dreams would have been over. If the Colts play that game with integrity, the Jets are likely sitting home. As it is, because they surrendered their integrity, the Jets, who would have been out had the the Colts won, are now one of the hottest teams in the playoffs and are vying against the Colts for the AFC title.
The move by the Colts could come back and bit them in the A$$. And I, for one, hope it does. I recall how the Colts did this a few years ago when the Browns playoff chances were on the line. If they beat the Titans, the Browns make the playoffs. But no, the Colts played their scrubs that whole game. It was still a close game, but the Tits won. If the Colts played THAT game with integrity, the Browns, not the Tits would have been in the playoffs.
So, here is hoping the Jets beat the Colts, and it would only be a fate which they deserve, because they manipulated the playoff by putting the Jets in there.
And also, personally, I don't see how that is any different than the Black Sox throwing games for money.
Fair to say?
Yes- and I for one agree with you. I don't want to see Braylon in the SB, but if he does make it, the Jets ought to send a big "thank you" to the Colts for making it possible.
BTW, I'll have to give credit to Mr. Rooney of the Steelers suggesting to the competition committee the last three games of the season ought to be against your division foes- unless some team is a runaway winner- it would put a stop to some of this BS.
IMHO, it's not only unfair to the other teams in playoff contention, [[[the argument "win more games then" doesn't hold water- as a playoff contending coach, I'd sure like to get an effective bye, if another team is getting one]]] it's also unfair to the fans who payed full freight to see Manning play.
Yes- and I for one agree with you. I don't want to see Braylon in the SB, but if he does make it, the Jets ought to send a big "thank you" to the Colts for making it possible.
BTW, I'll have to give credit to Mr. Rooney of the Steelers suggesting to the competition committee the last three games of the season ought to be against your division foes- unless some team is a runaway winner- it would put a stop to some of this BS.
IMHO, it's not only unfair to the other teams in playoff contention, [[[the argument "win more games then" doesn't hold water- as a playoff contending coach, I'd sure like to get an effective bye, if another team is getting one]]] it's also unfair to the fans who payed full freight to see Manning play.
If PManning is still taking the field in late january and and early feb after taking a half or so off during december, i would not feeel cheated...that's what happens when you get out of the gate rolling to a 13-2 record....why risk your franchise player in totally meaningless games...i agree there is an air of impropriety in what goes on in late december in the league....don't see it being addressed anytime soon by owners....as long as it doesn't affect gate receipts (indy sold out all dec) i don't think they care.....
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The Colts lack of integrity at the end of the season could (and hopefully will) come back to bite them in the ass.
Recall that the Colts and Jets played in like the next to last game of the season and the Colts were winning I believe in the second half when they "called off the dogs" and put in their scrub players to finish up against the Jets in that game. Recall that the Jets, whose playoff lives were on the line, came back to win that game by a slim margin.
The Colts, by choking it back, in essence manipulated the playoff scenario by allowing the Jets to win that game. If the Jets lose that game, their playoff dreams would have been over. If the Colts play that game with integrity, the Jets are likely sitting home. As it is, because they surrendered their integrity, the Jets, who would have been out had the the Colts won, are now one of the hottest teams in the playoffs and are vying against the Colts for the AFC title.
The move by the Colts could come back and bit them in the A$$. And I, for one, hope it does. I recall how the Colts did this a few years ago when the Browns playoff chances were on the line. If they beat the Titans, the Browns make the playoffs. But no, the Colts played their scrubs that whole game. It was still a close game, but the Tits won. If the Colts played THAT game with integrity, the Browns, not the Tits would have been in the playoffs.
So, here is hoping the Jets beat the Colts, and it would only be a fate which they deserve, because they manipulated the playoff by putting the Jets in there.
And also, personally, I don't see how that is any different than the Black Sox throwing games for money.
Fair to say?
Yes- and I for one agree with you. I don't want to see Braylon in the SB, but if he does make it, the Jets ought to send a big "thank you" to the Colts for making it possible.
BTW, I'll have to give credit to Mr. Rooney of the Steelers suggesting to the competition committee the last three games of the season ought to be against your division foes- unless some team is a runaway winner- it would put a stop to some of this BS.
IMHO, it's not only unfair to the other teams in playoff contention, [[[the argument "win more games then" doesn't hold water- as a playoff contending coach, I'd sure like to get an effective bye, if another team is getting one]]] it's also unfair to the fans who payed full freight to see Manning play.
Yes- and I for one agree with you. I don't want to see Braylon in the SB, but if he does make it, the Jets ought to send a big "thank you" to the Colts for making it possible.
BTW, I'll have to give credit to Mr. Rooney of the Steelers suggesting to the competition committee the last three games of the season ought to be against your division foes- unless some team is a runaway winner- it would put a stop to some of this BS.
IMHO, it's not only unfair to the other teams in playoff contention, [[[the argument "win more games then" doesn't hold water- as a playoff contending coach, I'd sure like to get an effective bye, if another team is getting one]]] it's also unfair to the fans who payed full freight to see Manning play.
Sure, my point simply is that a team not playing their full compliment of available players when the playoff aspirations of their opponents, or those competing with their opponents are on the line is in essence the "throwing" of a game to manipulate who does or does not get in the playoffs. And to me, is almost tantamout to throwing a game because of a betting scandal.
Don't get me wrong. I was glad to see the Jets get into the playoffs over the likes of The Steelers or the Broncos. It is the fans of those teams that should be mostly pissed off, the way we were back in 2007 when the Colts "threw" the game against the Titans.
I do like the idea of having all division games in the last 3-4 of the season. Sure, if the Colts say are 11-1 and their nearest division rival is only 6-6 the last 4 games of the season are not going to have a difference in the results of that division. But, I suspect that would be a fairly rare event.
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Yes- and I for one agree with you. I don't want to see Braylon in the SB, but if he does make it, the Jets ought to send a big "thank you" to the Colts for making it possible.
BTW, I'll have to give credit to Mr. Rooney of the Steelers suggesting to the competition committee the last three games of the season ought to be against your division foes- unless some team is a runaway winner- it would put a stop to some of this BS.
IMHO, it's not only unfair to the other teams in playoff contention, [[[the argument "win more games then" doesn't hold water- as a playoff contending coach, I'd sure like to get an effective bye, if another team is getting one]]] it's also unfair to the fans who payed full freight to see Manning play.
If PManning is still taking the field in late january and and early feb after taking a half or so off during december, i would not feeel cheated...that's what happens when you get out of the gate rolling to a 13-2 record....why risk your franchise player in totally meaningless games...i agree there is an air of impropriety in what goes on in late december in the league....don't see it being addressed anytime soon by owners....as long as it doesn't affect gate receipts (indy sold out all dec) i don't think they care.....
If PManning is still taking the field in late january and and early feb after taking a half or so off during december, i would not feeel cheated...that's what happens when you get out of the gate rolling to a 13-2 record....why risk your franchise player in totally meaningless games...i agree there is an air of impropriety in what goes on in late december in the league....don't see it being addressed anytime soon by owners....as long as it doesn't affect gate receipts (indy sold out all dec) i don't think they care.....
Uh, the point is, those games are NOT meaningless. They are very important to the opposition, and to the teams that opposition is vying with for a playoff spot.
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I see your argument Gip and as much as I hate that the Colts screwed us over two years ago, I probably would have done the same thing. A teams ultimate goal for every season is to get to the playoffs and win the super bowl. Any decision the coach and staff make that they think would boost their chances is a plausible decision. I actually do like that idea that the last 3 games should be division games, because no team likes losing to their rivals and possibly letting them into the playoffs.
Do I dislike the colts for their decision? Yes. Do I think that their decision lacks integrity and is wrong? No
But on the flipside, we get a win-win situation next weekend. Colts lose, its a decision that bites them in the ass. Jets lose, we dont have to listen to Crybaby Edwards or Ryan gloat
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"The colts lack integrity" never heard that before. Sounds like something a steelers fan would say.
It sounds like something any intelligent person would say. So you must obviously not be referring to a Steelers fan.
The Colts are a good team that never finish strong. They screwed us over in 2007, don't think I haven't forgotten that.
The Colts are a good team that never finish strong. They screwed us over in 2007, don't think I haven't forgotten that.
We should have taken care of business in Cinci but we choked and have no one to blame but ourselves.
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I still thought sitting them was a mistake. They might of lost their swagger.
Luck is Tim Couch. Big, Dumb Goofy, slow thinking QB - Ghoolie, 2-28-12 -
The Colts are a good team that never finish strong. They screwed us over in 2007, don't think I haven't forgotten that.
We should have taken care of business in Cinci but we choked and have no one to blame but ourselves.
We should have taken care of business in Cinci but we choked and have no one to blame but ourselves.
Sure,
But, by that context, perhaps Cinci should have rolled over for us the way the Colts rolled over for the Titans.
I mean, in essence we should say to the Colts or others: if you want to forfeit the game, just say so. Don't even show up at the stadium.
If team A has to play against a team that gives no effort, why should Team B have to play against a team that gives max effort? It should be an even playing field. It wasn't.
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I still thought sitting them was a mistake. They might of lost their swagger.
I still thought sitting them was a mistake. They might of lost their swagger.
I only hope so. As much as I think it was wrong for the Colts to roll over for the Jets, I hope now that the Jets beat them, ergo having the whole scheme blow up in their face.
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Gipps,
I understand, but I also have to respectfully diagree.
the honous (sp?) is on YOUR team to win football games during the season. Weeks 1-13.
If you're in playoff contention, and you're counting on the Colts (or any other good team) to win by playing their starters, it's YOUR fault.
You should have won in week 2 or 3. Every game counts.
The only way to properly address this is to have some sort of option in the schedule where you can rotate/switch match ups.
but A- it's not even possible to do, probably
B- that can be skewed and tampered with worse than what we have now.
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We should have taken care of business in Cinci but we choked and have no one to blame but ourselves.
Sure,
But, by that context, perhaps Cinci should have rolled over for us the way the Colts rolled over for the Titans.
I mean, in essence we should say to the Colts or others: if you want to forfeit the game, just say so. Don't even show up at the stadium.
If team A has to play against a team that gives no effort, why should Team B have to play against a team that gives max effort? It should be an even playing field. It wasn't.
Sure,
But, by that context, perhaps Cinci should have rolled over for us the way the Colts rolled over for the Titans.
I mean, in essence we should say to the Colts or others: if you want to forfeit the game, just say so. Don't even show up at the stadium.
If team A has to play against a team that gives no effort, why should Team B have to play against a team that gives max effort? It should be an even playing field. It wasn't
.I understand what we're saying Gipper but I look at it as you take care of business, don't rely on others to get you what you want.
When teams rest starters they are doing what is best for them and their ultimate goal of winning the Super Bowl. They aren't trying to screw their fans out of a competitive game or other teams on the verge of getting in. Take this year for example, Colts could have and probably would have gone 16 - 0 if they hadn't rested their starters. But what if they go 16 - 0 then lose in the Super Bowl like New England? The same fans who are bitching because they didn't go for the undefeated season would be bitching about losing the Super Bowl, so it's a no win situation.
Yes, it would have been great to see us in the playoffs that year but bottom line is we had a "win and you're in" scenario and we didn't take hold of that. Then the next week when we all knew the Colts were going to rest their starters we as fans act insulted by this?
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Yea, but, look guys, figure this out:
The Jets made the playoffs by going 9-7. I the course of that they played 2 teams that laid down: The Colts and the Bengals.
And note this: The Steelers went 9-7, the Texans 9-7, The Titans 8-8, the Broncos 8-8, the Jags 7-9.
If the Jags had played 2 games against teams that quit, they may have ended up 9-7 instead of 7-9 and have been in the playoffs.
Did any of these other teams have the benefit of playing against 2 teams that quit? The Steelers are sitting at home because the Browns didn't quit.
Perhaps next year the Browns can play a whole schedule of 16 games against teams that say "this game doesn't count much for us, we'll just play our scrubeenies". I guess I would like that, but would it be fair?
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hey gipper, I basically agree with you. I been complaining for years. About team letting off the gas peddle.
I just feel bad that the colts dont give a dam about cheating there fans out a of money and time.
Its one thing to have a bad team lose and still charge full price, it another for a good team to charge full price and not try at all.
This people are paid way too much to use such lousely excuses.
For this simple reason I hope the colts lose.
I, as a browns fan I would rather see the steelers win it all again, than see the colts win.
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If PManning is still taking the field in late january and and early feb after taking a half or so off during december, i would not feeel cheated...that's what happens when you get out of the gate rolling to a 13-2 record....why risk your franchise player in totally meaningless games...i agree there is an air of impropriety in what goes on in late december in the league....don't see it being addressed anytime soon by owners....as long as it doesn't affect gate receipts (indy sold out all dec) i don't think they care.....
Uh, the point is, those games are NOT meaningless. They are very important to the opposition, and to the teams that opposition is vying with for a playoff spot.
Uh, the point is, those games are NOT meaningless. They are very important to the opposition, and to the teams that opposition is vying with for a playoff spot.
the colts DON'T effin' care about teams crying about the perceived injustice of them resting their 1st stringers...Why can they rest their starters??..because they played balls to the walls for 15 effin weeks in going 13-2...because they busted their ass in camp.....because when they come to practice they don't dick around...because they have been to the promised land they know what must be done....they have lived the process and hold no quarter for those who question their integrity....win the games you are supposed to win and let the losers come up with excuses....i sense a little envy Gipper
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i agree with the gip all the way. and kosar _for _prez. not only is it a lack of integrity it's also the colts saying that they can turn it on and off like a light switch. the lakers used to lay down at the end of the season too thinking that come to the playoffs they could flip the switch and burn @ 100% again. i hope the colts lay a big fat egg that drips down the face of manning and the rookie coach. even though he's probably going down in history as one of the best, there's something unwatchable about manning. i can't stand his audible bs EVERY PLAY. why even have a coach? i know we used to call ewing horse face but wow "peyton, why the long face?"
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The Colts lack of integrity at the end of the season could (and hopefully will) come back to bite them in the ass.
Recall that the Colts and Jets played in like the next to last game of the season and the Colts were winning I believe in the second half when they "called off the dogs" and put in their scrub players to finish up against the Jets in that game. Recall that the Jets, whose playoff lives were on the line, came back to win that game by a slim margin.
The Colts, by choking it back, in essence manipulated the playoff scenario by allowing the Jets to win that game. If the Jets lose that game, their playoff dreams would have been over. If the Colts play that game with integrity, the Jets are likely sitting home. As it is, because they surrendered their integrity, the Jets, who would have been out had the the Colts won, are now one of the hottest teams in the playoffs and are vying against the Colts for the AFC title.
The move by the Colts could come back and bit them in the A$$. And I, for one, hope it does. I recall how the Colts did this a few years ago when the Browns playoff chances were on the line. If they beat the Titans, the Browns make the playoffs. But no, the Colts played their scrubs that whole game. It was still a close game, but the Tits won. If the Colts played THAT game with integrity, the Browns, not the Tits would have been in the playoffs.
So, here is hoping the Jets beat the Colts, and it would only be a fate which they deserve, because they manipulated the playoff by putting the Jets in there.
And also, personally, I don't see how that is any different than the Black Sox throwing games for money.
Fair to say?
So, here is hoping the Jets beat the Colts, and it would only be a fate which they deserve, because they manipulated the playoff by putting the Jets in there.
And also, personally, I don't see how that is any different than the Black Sox throwing games for money.
Fair to say?
not in a million years....you've crossed the line this time Gipper
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hey gipper, I basically agree with you. I been complaining for years. About team letting off the gas peddle.
I just feel bad that the colts dont give a dam about cheating there fans out a of money and time.
Its one thing to have a bad team lose and still charge full price, it another for a good team to charge full price and not try at all.
This people are paid way too much to use such lousely excuses.
For this simple reason I hope the colts lose.
I, as a browns fan I would rather see the steelers win it all again, than see the colts win.
I, as a browns fan I would rather see the steelers win it all again, than see the colts win.
Huh?? I must be drunk and seeing things!
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Yea, but, look guys, figure this out:
The Jets made the playoffs by going 9-7. I the course of that they played 2 teams that laid down: The Colts and the Bengals.
And note this: The Steelers went 9-7, the Texans 9-7, The Titans 8-8, the Broncos 8-8, the Jags 7-9.
If the Jags had played 2 games against teams that quit, they may have ended up 9-7 instead of 7-9 and have been in the playoffs.
Did any of these other teams have the benefit of playing against 2 teams that quit? The Steelers are sitting at home because the Browns didn't quit.
Perhaps next year the Browns can play a whole schedule of 16 games against teams that say "this game doesn't count much for us, we'll just play our scrubeenies". I guess I would like that, but would it be fair?
And note this: The Steelers went 9-7, the Texans 9-7, The Titans 8-8, the Broncos 8-8, the Jags 7-9.
If the Jags had played 2 games against teams that quit, they may have ended up 9-7 instead of 7-9 and have been in the playoffs.
Did any of these other teams have the benefit of playing against 2 teams that quit? The Steelers are sitting at home because the Browns didn't quit.
Perhaps next year the Browns can play a whole schedule of 16 games against teams that say "this game doesn't count much for us, we'll just play our scrubeenies". I guess I would like that, but would it be fair?
That's just how the games go. I mean that's like saying the Cardinals got into the playoffs unfairly because they got to play st. louis and detroit in 2 of the last 3 weeks of the season. Teams that are hungry enough should be able to beat whoever they need to to guarantee a playoff spot. Jax had their chances, as did every other team in the playoff hunt. But only the teams that took advantage of those opportunities made it. Besides just because you are playing 2nd and 3rd string players doesn't guarantee a win for the other team. On any given sunday, my friend.
I, as a browns fan I would rather see the steelers win it all again, than see the colts win.
You know man, you really shouldn't smoke crack. Makes you say silly things like this
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I really hope the NFL doesn't expand the schedule to 17 or 18 games, or these kind of scenarios will occur even more often.
This is a pro sport, with pro ticket prices, parking fees, concession stand items, etc. The Colts' fans deserved better when Indy gave the game to the Jets, no ifs, ands or buts.
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And note this: The Steelers went 9-7, the Texans 9-7, The Titans 8-8, the Broncos 8-8, the Jags 7-9.
If the Jags had played 2 games against teams that quit, they may have ended up 9-7 instead of 7-9 and have been in the playoffs.
Did any of these other teams have the benefit of playing against 2 teams that quit? The Steelers are sitting at home because the Browns didn't quit.
Perhaps next year the Browns can play a whole schedule of 16 games against teams that say "this game doesn't count much for us, we'll just play our scrubeenies". I guess I would like that, but would it be fair?
That's just how the games go. I mean that's like saying the Cardinals got into the playoffs unfairly because they got to play st. louis and detroit in 2 of the last 3 weeks of the season. Teams that are hungry enough should be able to beat whoever they need to to guarantee a playoff spot. Jax had their chances, as did every other team in the playoff hunt. But only the teams that took advantage of those opportunities made it. Besides just because you are playing 2nd and 3rd string players doesn't guarantee a win for the other team. On any given sunday, my friend.
I, as a browns fan I would rather see the steelers win it all again, than see the colts win.
You know man, you really shouldn't smoke crack. Makes you say silly things like this
That's just how the games go. I mean that's like saying the Cardinals got into the playoffs unfairly because they got to play st. louis and detroit in 2 of the last 3 weeks of the season. Teams that are hungry enough should be able to beat whoever they need to to guarantee a playoff spot. Jax had their chances, as did every other team in the playoff hunt. But only the teams that took advantage of those opportunities made it. Besides just because you are playing 2nd and 3rd string players doesn't guarantee a win for the other team. On any given sunday, my friend.
Playing your second and third stringers against another team sure as hell does give the opponent a competitive advantage- Pretty extreme example- Let's say the Colts were playing the Cardinals this year (who needed a win to get in) instead of the Jets. Manning- Warner even match. Warner - Curtis Painter? Big joke. This isn't the preseason (which is fully deserving of another rant- why do season ticket holders have to pay full freight to watch the 4th preseason joke where the starters play one series and sit?)
You can spin it anyway you want to, but the Jets were gifted a spot in the playoffs and were given an unfair advantage when the Colts & Bengals rolled over and played dead.
This doesn't change the playoff landscape? Say the Steelers and Houston had their divisions wrapped up and rested their starters instead- Miami makes the playoffs. Ditto that with the Patriots and Browns resting their starters- the Jaguars get in.
I thought the object of the game was to win, not to see if you could avoid getting people hurt. FWIW, if the Colts are up two scores with 5 minutes left in the game, by all means pull Manning, not at the end of the second quarter. And this is for the guy who holds the record for least sacks per pass attempt in the history of the NFL. Pu**ies- if I didn't hate Brayoln in particular and NY frontrunner Yankee fans in general, I'd be rooting like mad for the Colts to get it handed to them by a team they let sneak into the playoffs.
Let's turn this 180 while were at it. did the Saints and Vikings pull Brees or Farve while they were kicking the ever loving s**t out of the Cowboys and Cardinals? Don't think so. Gee, they might have gotten HURT.
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