Tim Tebow Unveiling New Delivery
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Bottom line: All we care about is what the Browns should do.
If Tebow is there in the 5th round or beyond, I wouldn't mind much if they used one of their 11 picks on him at that point. Take a flyer, why not.
Does anyone disagree with this possible approach?
Does anyone think we should invest a high pick on him?
Does anyone think we shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot Lithuanian, err, I mean a 10 foot Pole?
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In Tebow's case, as with all players......We'll see.
IMHO, the kid is a winner & he'll do whatever is required to be a winner in the NFL. You can't coach attitude & pride....his are off the charts on the positive end.
Mike
Hundreds and hundreds of college players had attitude and pride, but they still didn't get drafted, or got cut or whatever because they just weren't good enough.
Most knowledgeable scouts who get paid to evaluate these things don't give Tebow much of a chance. Now, they are occasionally wrong. Tony Romo went undrafted, as did Kurt Warner, and Tom Brady was only picked in the 6th round, but, overall, these guys do a pretty decent job of talent evaluation.
It seems like they are more likely to overrate a QB than underrate them. Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL.
Hundreds and hundreds of college players had attitude and pride, but they still didn't get drafted, or got cut or whatever because they just weren't good enough.
Most knowledgeable scouts who get paid to evaluate these things don't give Tebow much of a chance. Now, they are occasionally wrong. Tony Romo went undrafted, as did Kurt Warner, and Tom Brady was only picked in the 6th round, but, overall, these guys do a pretty decent job of talent evaluation.
It seems like they are more likely to overrate a QB than underrate them. Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL
.This is where I used to take umbrage with our former 20,000 post QB guru who claimed "drafting is so much better than it was 20 years ago & every highly touted qb coming out in the draft is a sure-fire franchise qb. " BS.
In answer to you other post, if Pike, LeVevour, and Tebow are all there in the third round- I take a flyer on one of them, and I really have no preference which- I'll leave that up to Holmgren. If I'm the Browns, I don't go qb shopping before then.
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[ Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL[/color].
As I documented in another thread, there are only 3 teams in the NFL that are starting a QB that that team drafted that was taken below the first round. The following are all the QBs that have been selected in the first round since the 1999 season, by franchise:
Arizona: Matt Leinert
Atlanta: Michael Vick, Matt Ryan
Baltimore: Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco
Buffalo: J.P. Losman
Chicago: Cade McKnown, Rex Grossman
Cincy: Akili Smith, Carson Palmer
Cleveland: Tim Couch, Brady Quinn
Denver: Jay Cutler
Detroit: Joey Harrington, Matt Stafford
Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers
Houston: David Carr
Jacksonville: Byron Leftwich
Minnesota: Dante Culpepper
NY Giants: Eli Manning
NY Jets: Chad Pennington, Mark Sanchez
Oakland: JaMarcus Russell
Philly: Donovan McNabb
Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger
San Diego: Philip Rivers
San Fran: Alex Smith
Tampa Bay: Josh Freeman
Tennessee: Vince Young
Washington: Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell.
My question is: who of these do you think are true busts? What percent of 1st round QBs turn out busts?
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[ Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL[/color].
As I documented in another thread, there are only 3 teams in the NFL that are starting a QB that that team drafted that was taken below the first round. The following are all the QBs that have been selected in the first round since the 1999 season, by franchise:
Arizona: Matt Leinert
Atlanta: Michael Vick, Matt Ryan
Baltimore: Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco
Buffalo: J.P. Losman
Chicago: Cade McKnown, Rex Grossman
Cincy: Akili Smith, Carson Palmer
Cleveland: Tim Couch, Brady Quinn
Denver: Jay Cutler
Detroit: Joey Harrington, Matt Stafford
Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers
Houston: David Carr
Jacksonville: Byron Leftwich
Minnesota: Dante Culpepper
NY Giants: Eli Manning
NY Jets: Chad Pennington, Mark Sanchez
Oakland: JaMarcus Russell
Philly: Donovan McNabb
Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger
San Diego: Philip Rivers
San Fran: Alex Smith
Tampa Bay: Josh Freeman
Tennessee: Vince Young
Washington: Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell.
My question is: who of these do you think are true busts? What percent of 1st round QBs turn out busts?
[ Look at all the first round busts in say, just the last 10 years. It is the very rare low pick or undrafted QB that makes an impact in the NFL[/color].
As I documented in another thread, there are only 3 teams in the NFL that are starting a QB that that team drafted that was taken below the first round. The following are all the QBs that have been selected in the first round since the 1999 season, by franchise:
I will answer my own questions by highlighting those I think are true busts. Some that are not highlighted may mean that it is too early to judge, not that they have met with success:
Arizona: Matt Leinert
Atlanta: Michael Vick, Matt Ryan
Baltimore: Kyle Boller, Joe Flacco
Buffalo: J.P. Losman
Chicago: Cade McKnown, Rex Grossman
Cincy: Akili Smith, Carson Palmer
Cleveland: Tim Couch, Brady Quinn
Denver: Jay Cutler
Detroit: Joey Harrington, Matt Stafford
Green Bay: Aaron Rodgers
Houston: David Carr
Jacksonville: Byron Leftwich
Minnesota: Dante Culpepper
NY Giants: Eli Manning
NY Jets: Chad Pennington, Mark Sanchez
Oakland: JaMarcus Russell
Philly: Donovan McNabb
Pittsburgh: Ben Roethlisberger
San Diego: Philip Rivers
San Fran: Alex Smith
Tampa Bay: Josh Freeman
Tennessee: Vince Young
Washington: Patrick Ramsey, Jason Campbell.
My question is: who of these do you think are true busts? What percent of 1st round QBs turn out busts?
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Bottom line: All we care about is what the Browns should do.
If Tebow is there in the 5th round or beyond, I wouldn't mind much if they used one of their 11 picks on him at that point. Take a flyer, why not.
Does anyone disagree with this possible approach?
Does anyone think we should invest a high pick on him?
Does anyone think we shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot Lithuanian, err, I mean a 10 foot Pole?
Bottom line: All we care about is what the Browns should do.
If Tebow is there in the 5th round or beyond, I wouldn't mind much if they used one of their 11 picks on him at that point. Take a flyer, why not.
Does anyone disagree with this possible approach?
Does anyone think we should invest a high pick on him?
Does anyone think we shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot Lithuanian, err, I mean a 10 foot Pole?
WE SHOULD TRADE UP TO THE FIRST OVERALL PICK AND GRAB HIM!
Seriously, though, I'd take a shot at him in the third.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
wonder if espn will have to set up the ole 'cryin room' like they did for quinn?
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Bottom line: All we care about is what the Browns should do.
If Tebow is there in the 5th round or beyond, I wouldn't mind much if they used one of their 11 picks on him at that point. Take a flyer, why not.
Does anyone disagree with this possible approach?
Does anyone think we should invest a high pick on him?
Does anyone think we shouldn't touch him with a 10 foot Lithuanian, err, I mean a 10 foot Pole?
WE SHOULD TRADE UP TO THE FIRST OVERALL PICK AND GRAB HIM!
Seriously, though, I'd take a shot at him in the third.
WE SHOULD TRADE UP TO THE FIRST OVERALL PICK AND GRAB HIM!
Seriously, though, I'd take a shot at him in the third.
I would take him with our 2nd round pick as it stands now.
But, I will wait for combine and pro day results to make a final call.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
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WE SHOULD TRADE UP TO THE FIRST OVERALL PICK AND GRAB HIM!
Seriously, though, I'd take a shot at him in the third.
I would take him with our 2nd round pick as it stands now.
But, I will wait for combine and pro day results to make a final call.
I would take him with our 2nd round pick as it stands now.
But, I will wait for combine and pro day results to make a final call.
I wouldn't touch him in the second round with a 12 foot Ukrainian.
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I wouldn't touch him in the second round with a 12 foot Ukrainian.
with no teeth drinking popov.
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