Troy Smith's tender
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I'd be tempted to give up a fifth for Troy Smith. I don't think Holmgren will but I think he is worth it.
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there's a reason he's not a starter in the nfl............he sucks.
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there's a reason he's not a starter in the nfl............he sucks.
or because he got very sick the last 2 weeks of training camp and lost the QB competition to Joe Flacco, whom he was beating at the time.
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or because he got very sick the last 2 weeks of training camp and lost the QB competition to Joe Flacco, whom he was beating at the time.
you're kidding me right? flacco is gonna be a pro bowler. i mean i'm an ohio state fan but seriously. don't let your 'black' status dull your perception. do you hear anyone ever mention troy smith as a viable solution as a starting qb? tell me what radio staion tv station or analyist say this and i'll lokk it up.
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or because he got very sick the last 2 weeks of training camp and lost the QB competition to Joe Flacco, whom he was beating at the time.
you're kidding me right? flacco is gonna be a pro bowler. i mean i'm an ohio state fan but seriously. don't let your 'black' status dull your perception. do you hear anyone ever mention troy smith as a viable solution as a starting qb? tell me what radio staion tv station or analyist say this and i'll lokk it up.
you're kidding me right? flacco is gonna be a pro bowler. i mean i'm an ohio state fan but seriously. don't let your 'black' status dull your perception. do you hear anyone ever mention troy smith as a viable solution as a starting qb? tell me what radio staion tv station or analyist say this and i'll lokk it up.
uhhh
http://forums.dawgbones.com/index.phpact=L...;CODE=03&k=
The announcement came as former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, who had been expected to compete for the starting job, finally returned from a severe tonsil infection that had sidelined him since training camp.
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you're kidding me right? flacco is gonna be a pro bowler. i mean i'm an ohio state fan but seriously. don't let your 'black' status dull your perception. do you hear anyone ever mention troy smith as a viable solution as a starting qb? tell me what radio staion tv station or analyist say this and i'll lokk it up.
uhhh
http://forums.dawgbones.com/index.phpact=L...;CODE=03&k=
The announcement came as former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, who had been expected to compete for the starting job, finally returned from a severe tonsil infection that had sidelined him since training camp.
uhhh
http://forums.dawgbones.com/index.phpact=L...;CODE=03&k=
The announcement came as former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, who had been expected to compete for the starting job, finally returned from a severe tonsil infection that had sidelined him since training camp.
uhhhh............and did he? was he good enough to knock joe flacco out of the starting spot? no. where were all the pundits before that draft year calling troy smith a franchise qb? did you hear anything? no wait...yeah, crickets. flacco was called a winner by his h.s. coach, college and most gm's and former qbs in this league. how about troy boy? and having an 'announcement' in a forum is like a paperboy doing the evening news. pleeeez.
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uhhh
http://forums.dawgbones.com/index.phpact=L...;CODE=03&k=
The announcement came as former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, who had been expected to compete for the starting job, finally returned from a severe tonsil infection that had sidelined him since training camp.
uhhhh............and did he? was he good enough to knock joe flacco out of the starting spot? no. where were all the pundits before that draft year calling troy smith a franchise qb? did you hear anything? no wait...yeah, crickets. flacco was called a winner by his h.s. coach, college and most gm's and former qbs in this league. how about troy boy? and having an 'announcement' in a forum is like a paperboy doing the evening news. pleeeez.
uhhhh............and did he? was he good enough to knock joe flacco out of the starting spot? no. where were all the pundits before that draft year calling troy smith a franchise qb? did you hear anything? no wait...yeah, crickets. flacco was called a winner by his h.s. coach, college and most gm's and former qbs in this league. how about troy boy? and having an 'announcement' in a forum is like a paperboy doing the evening news. pleeeez.
Why not give him a shot? I don't get the hatred towards this idea when we may end up taking a QB that is just as unproven with the same 5th round pick.
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uhhh
http://forums.dawgbones.com/index.phpact=L...;CODE=03&k=
The announcement came as former Heisman Trophy winner Troy Smith, who had been expected to compete for the starting job, finally returned from a severe tonsil infection that had sidelined him since training camp.
uhhhh............and did he? was he good enough to knock joe flacco out of the starting spot? no. where were all the pundits before that draft year calling troy smith a franchise qb? did you hear anything? no wait...yeah, crickets. flacco was called a winner by his h.s. coach, college and most gm's and former qbs in this league. how about troy boy? and having an 'announcement' in a forum is like a paperboy doing the evening news. pleeeez.
uhhhh............and did he? was he good enough to knock joe flacco out of the starting spot? no. where were all the pundits before that draft year calling troy smith a franchise qb? did you hear anything? no wait...yeah, crickets. flacco was called a winner by his h.s. coach, college and most gm's and former qbs in this league. how about troy boy? and having an 'announcement' in a forum is like a paperboy doing the evening news. pleeeez.
yes he was because he did
Flacco needed smith to get sick to beat him out o the starting spot
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uhhhh............and did he? was he good enough to knock joe flacco out of the starting spot? no. where were all the pundits before that draft year calling troy smith a franchise qb? did you hear anything? no wait...yeah, crickets. flacco was called a winner by his h.s. coach, college and most gm's and former qbs in this league. how about troy boy? and having an 'announcement' in a forum is like a paperboy doing the evening news. pleeeez.
yes he was because he did
Flacco needed smith to get sick to beat him out o the starting spot
yes he was because he did
Flacco needed smith to get sick to beat him out o the starting spot
see here, i don't get YOUR stupidity. flacco could beat out smith on his worse day. are you like the president of the troy smith fan club? i don't hate troy smith at all but to say that smallish troy smith with an ok arm and can run around is better than a tall stay-in-the-pocket rocket arm winning qb? just be real. we should be looking at jason campbell if we were to sign a fa qb, or look to draft pike or lefevour.
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yes he was because he did
Flacco needed smith to get sick to beat him out o the starting spot
see here, i don't get YOUR stupidity. flacco could beat out smith on his worse day. are you like the president of the troy smith fan club? i don't hate troy smith at all but to say that smallish troy smith with an ok arm and can run around is better than a tall stay-in-the-pocket rocket arm winning qb? just be real. we should be looking at jason campbell if we were to sign a fa qb, or look to draft pike or lefevour.
see here, i don't get YOUR stupidity. flacco could beat out smith on his worse day. are you like the president of the troy smith fan club? i don't hate troy smith at all but to say that smallish troy smith with an ok arm and can run around is better than a tall stay-in-the-pocket rocket arm winning qb? just be real. we should be looking at jason campbell if we were to sign a fa qb, or look to draft pike or lefevour.
thats why Flacco never beat out smith right?
it took smith not being able to play or practice to lose the starting job
and he thinks im the stupid one
you can live and make believe land all you want but its not going to change the fact smith beat out Flacco untill he got sick
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see here, i don't get YOUR stupidity. flacco could beat out smith on his worse day. are you like the president of the troy smith fan club? i don't hate troy smith at all but to say that smallish troy smith with an ok arm and can run around is better than a tall stay-in-the-pocket rocket arm winning qb? just be real. we should be looking at jason campbell if we were to sign a fa qb, or look to draft pike or lefevour.
thats why Flacco never beat out smith right?
it took smith not being able to play or practice to lose the starting job
and he thinks im the stupid one
you can live and make believe land all you want but its not going to change the fact smith beat out Flacco untill he got sick
you can live and make believe land all you want but its not going to change the fact smith beat out Flacco untill he got sick
No, here's a fact:
Smith STILL hasn't beat out Flacco... PERIOD! Oh, in preseason, did he? Wow, really? Who the F cares about pre-season?
If Troy was that great, he would have unseated Flacco by now. Oh, oops, my bad... he HAS NOT.
God's sakes get over the damn Scarlet and Gray blinders..., if he were from New Mexico State or Tulane or San Jose State you wouldn't even bring his name INTO the discussion. Period.
Wait, I know.... let's get Daryll Clark. I mean, I am a PSU fan, so, he must be good!! AND>>..... he is from Ohio!!! OMG... we cant miss. Draft him. Third round.
NOT.
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you can live and make believe land all you want but its not going to change the fact smith beat out Flacco untill he got sick
No, here's a fact:
Smith STILL hasn't beat out Flacco... PERIOD! Oh, in preseason, did he? Wow, really? Who the F cares about pre-season?
If Troy was that great, he would have unseated Flacco by now. Oh, oops, my bad... he HAS NOT.
God's sakes get over the damn Scarlet and Gray blinders..., if he were from New Mexico State or Tulane or San Jose State you wouldn't even bring his name INTO the discussion. Period.
Wait, I know.... let's get Daryll Clark. I mean, I am a PSU fan, so, he must be good!! AND>>..... he is from Ohio!!! OMG... we cant miss. Draft him. Third round.
NOT.
No, here's a fact:
Smith STILL hasn't beat out Flacco... PERIOD! Oh, in preseason, did he? Wow, really? Who the F cares about pre-season?
If Troy was that great, he would have unseated Flacco by now. Oh, oops, my bad... he HAS NOT.
God's sakes get over the damn Scarlet and Gray blinders..., if he were from New Mexico State or Tulane or San Jose State you wouldn't even bring his name INTO the discussion. Period.
Wait, I know.... let's get Daryll Clark. I mean, I am a PSU fan, so, he must be good!! AND>>..... he is from Ohio!!! OMG... we cant miss. Draft him. Third round.
NOT.
yawn
he very well indeed beat out flacco
i know you wont admit facts but its just the truth not S&G blinders but hey glad to see you jumped on another screen name to agree with yourself
if Smith doesnt get sick Flacco never see's the field in his career
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No, here's a fact:
Smith STILL hasn't beat out Flacco... PERIOD! Oh, in preseason, did he? Wow, really? Who the F cares about pre-season?
If Troy was that great, he would have unseated Flacco by now. Oh, oops, my bad... he HAS NOT.
God's sakes get over the damn Scarlet and Gray blinders..., if he were from New Mexico State or Tulane or San Jose State you wouldn't even bring his name INTO the discussion. Period.
Wait, I know.... let's get Daryll Clark. I mean, I am a PSU fan, so, he must be good!! AND>>..... he is from Ohio!!! OMG... we cant miss. Draft him. Third round.
NOT.
yawn
he very well indeed beat out flacco
i know you wont admit facts but its just the truth not S&G blinders but hey glad to see you jumped on another screen name to agree with yourself
if Smith doesnt get sick Flacco never see's the field in his career
yawn
he very well indeed beat out flacco
i know you wont admit facts but its just the truth not S&G blinders but hey glad to see you jumped on another screen name to agree with yourself
if Smith doesnt get sick Flacco never see's the field in his career
Whoa- I'm as big an Ohio State homer as anyone- but think for a minute- if the Ravens thought Troy had starting qb potential- they sure as hell wouldn't have tendered him low. Second round tender is $1.8 million- dirt cheap for an NFL starting qb. At 6'0" you're entitled to believe Smith has Drew Brees potential, but Ozzie doesn't think he's worth it.
Secondly, I'm opposed to giving the Ratbirds anything to pick up a player.
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No, here's a fact:
Smith STILL hasn't beat out Flacco... PERIOD! Oh, in preseason, did he? Wow, really? Who the F cares about pre-season?
If Troy was that great, he would have unseated Flacco by now. Oh, oops, my bad... he HAS NOT.
God's sakes get over the damn Scarlet and Gray blinders..., if he were from New Mexico State or Tulane or San Jose State you wouldn't even bring his name INTO the discussion. Period.
Wait, I know.... let's get Daryll Clark. I mean, I am a PSU fan, so, he must be good!! AND>>..... he is from Ohio!!! OMG... we cant miss. Draft him. Third round.
NOT.
yawn
he very well indeed beat out flacco
i know you wont admit facts but its just the truth not S&G blinders but hey glad to see you jumped on another screen name to agree with yourself
if Smith doesnt get sick Flacco never see's the field in his career
yawn
he very well indeed beat out flacco
i know you wont admit facts but its just the truth not S&G blinders but hey glad to see you jumped on another screen name to agree with yourself
if Smith doesnt get sick Flacco never see's the field in his career
That's just goofy. Smith has 89 attempts in a 3 year career and you're ready to say he's better than Flacco?
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i don't think we should go after smith either, but it is true that he was set to be the starter until he got very sick. It's hard to beat out a guy who is as good as Flacco. I don't think Troy was every supposed to be the guy, but a stop gap of sorts for Flacco's rookie season so they wouldn't have to throw him to the wolves. Either way, as much as I love Troy and my buckeyes, this isn't the right move.
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i posted this in another thread, but i think it bears repeating.
again, where do you get this idea from that he is a quality backup? he has shown no reason to believe that. ohio state fans need to stop thinking he is going to be great, yet he only had one good year during college. in case your forgetting (and i'm guessing not a lot of people knew this) quinn had better stats his senior season than smith did, with less talent around him to boot. smith just had a better running game and a much better defense and we all know how he has turned out. if smith had gone to a different school would everybody still be advocating that he came here? no, he would be a punch line. if it weren't for the fact that he went to o-state then nobody would want him, just like nobody wants jason white. smith is nothing, and will be nothing.
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A lot of QBs haven't shown a "great deal" when they have been backups with one team, yet, when they moved to another team, they shined.
(Do the names Brett Favre, Jim Plunkett, Kurt Warner, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Len Dawson, Johhnny Unitas, etc. etc. etc. sound familiar? I am not saying this will happen with Smith, but it has happened with many others in the past, so don't discount the possibility.)
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A lot of QBs haven't shown a "great deal" when they have been backups with one team, yet, when they moved to another team, they shined.
(Do the names Brett Favre, Jim Plunkett, Kurt Warner, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Len Dawson, Johhnny Unitas, etc. etc. etc. sound familiar? I am not saying this will happen with Smith, but it has happened with many others in the past, so don't discount the possibility.)
A lot of QBs haven't shown a "great deal" when they have been backups with one team, yet, when they moved to another team, they shined.
(Do the names Brett Favre, Jim Plunkett, Kurt Warner, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Len Dawson, Johhnny Unitas, etc. etc. etc. sound familiar? I am not saying this will happen with Smith, but it has happened with many others in the past, so don't discount the possibility.)
You must be delirious to mention the great John Unitas in the same breath as an untested, undersized, misemployed qb who won't even be playing in the professional sunday league much longer. Slap yourself
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A lot of QBs haven't shown a "great deal" when they have been backups with one team, yet, when they moved to another team, they shined.
(Do the names Brett Favre, Jim Plunkett, Kurt Warner, Steve Young, Drew Brees, Len Dawson, Johhnny Unitas, etc. etc. etc. sound familiar? I am not saying this will happen with Smith, but it has happened with many others in the past, so don't discount the possibility.)
You must be delirious to mention the great John Unitas in the same breath as an untested, undersized, misemployed qb who won't even be playing in the professional sunday league much longer. Slap yourself
You must be delirious to mention the great John Unitas in the same breath as an untested, undersized, misemployed qb who won't even be playing in the professional sunday league much longer. Slap yourself
Yea, and that is probably what they said about John Unitas when he was cut by the Steelers when someone may have compared him to Sid Luckman or somebody.
And you completely missed my point: I am saying simply that because a QB may not be able to make it with one team doesn't mean that he couldn't prosper or excel with another team. Even if you don't project him as a superstar, it doesn't mean he couldn't be a productive QB elsewhere.
So maybe he isn't going to be a Unitas, Steve Young, Dawson, etc., i.e. a Hall of Famer. But it is possible that he could be like these guys who were good, productive starting QBs in new places:
Jake Delhomme: 2 years as a backup with New Orleans before moving to Carolina and going to the Super Bowl
Brad Johnson: several years with the Vikings and Redskins before going to the Bucs and a SB
Ron Jaworski: 2 years as a backup with the Rams before going to the Eagles and the SB
Matt Hasselbeck: 2 years as a backup with the Packers before going to the Seahawks and the SB
Trent Dilfer: 6 years with Tampa before going to Baltimore
Even our own Frank Ryan spent two years as a backup with the Rams before coming to the Browns.
These guys are not superstars, but became good, winning QBs after several years in backup roles primarily. So, all I am saying is that it CAN be done.
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Zombo said:
Troy Smith? Really? We already have Brady Quinn, what's the difference?Do you guys want to win or do you want to collect Ohio momentos?
Zombo
Fair point. All the guys that want us to go after Smith may be the same ones that say we should dump Quinn. At this point, I don't think Quinn should be dumped.
But, since it seems clear that DA will probably not be here, another QB seems essential, at least as a backup, if not as a competitor for the starting job.
There may be 25 guys out there that could be brought in here in that event. None of them seem like a bright shining star. Smith is simply one of those guys in that mix. Maybe no better or worse than any of the others.
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