Seneca Wallace traded to Cleveland
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SI_PeterKing RT @peterzefo:What does acquisition of Seneca Wallace mean for Browns current QBs? ... Simple. Wallace will be No. 2--to someone.
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also, for the hell of it
SI_PeterKing RT @ironcitypat: I wonder if a guy like Roethlisberger ever thinks about the little kids wearing his jersey? ... Doubt it. But he should.
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This guy's from my hometown, Sacramento, so I'm definitely ready to cheer him on. I'd love to see him get a chance while we develop some younger talent.
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Just had a thought. First I thought we must have dealt one of our QBs because why would Seattle get rid of their backup with such a fragile QB at the healm? Since we didn't, it must mean Seattle is going for QB with their first pick. This very well could mean Berry falls to us. Pat Kirwan actually has Berry going at #10.
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I have followed the Seahawks the past couple of years as I tend to follow Notre Dame players in the NFL. Seneca Wallace is a solid backup (I don't know about best in the league), is a kind of Tony Romo-lite kind of guy. He certainly doesn't suck, is athletic, and has put up nice numbers in the WCO. I'd start him over Anderson in a heartbeat. He does have a problem getting it in the endzone though. He tossed only 1 TD per 40 attempts last season, while Hass was better than 1/30, and even Quinn was better. And Wallace had a much better receiving corps.
Is the thought that this means the Browns will draft a QB and develop him under Wallace? I'm not even certain Wallace would win out a QB competition against Quinn, even if Wallace is comfy with the offense. And he's widely regarded as having a low top-end. So I'm not sure what to make of the move.
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I have followed the Seahawks the past couple of years as I tend to follow Notre Dame players in the NFL. Seneca Wallace is a solid backup (I don't know about best in the league), is a kind of Tony Romo-lite kind of guy. He certainly doesn't suck, is athletic, and has put up nice numbers in the WCO. I'd start him over Anderson in a heartbeat. He does have a problem getting it in the endzone though. He tossed only 1 TD per 40 attempts last season, while Hass was better than 1/30, and even Quinn was better. And Wallace had a much better receiving corps.
Is the thought that this means the Browns will draft a QB and develop him under Wallace? I'm not even certain Wallace would win out a QB competition against Quinn, even if Wallace is comfy with the offense. And he's widely regarded as having a low top-end. So I'm not sure what to make of the move.
I'm not sure what to make of the move.
the only thing that it shows me is that anderson is gone. other than that, it's only march so it's useless to speculate unless quinn goes before the draft.
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I like the move. Seneca Wallace helps add to the QB depth and will come in and be a solid backup at the very least. He might not be the best but it is already an upgrade over Ratliff.
At his best, he ends up taking over the reigns of the Browns and plays solid ball.
At his worst, he'll be a solid back-up who know's his role.
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the only thing that it shows me is that anderson is gone. other than that, it's only march so it's useless to speculate unless quinn goes before the draft.
i wouldn't be surprised at all to see DA restructure his contract to stay here. Cutting him is one thing but then you would have to keep Quinn.
Let me put on my GM hat for a second. I have DA who is due money that he just doesn't deserve. I have shown that I am fair by giving Cribbs a new deal although he has 3 years left. Now I can approach DA with a lower contract and job security. If he takes it, Quinn can be dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder or packaged with another player in a deal. Afterall, DA has almost no value in the trade market. Still, I want a legit backup on this team with knowledge of this complex offense, I gotta keep one of them. If DA doesn't take the new deal, I cut him and try and trade Quinn for a vet like Pennington as he knows this offense. If he does take the deal, I package Quinn and try and get another vet in here.
Either way I see it, I don't want Quinn on my roster unless he's starting as he is a MAJOR distraction when in the bench. And I don't feel comfortable making him the starter because he is just as bad as DA. I have to trade him. DA can only stay if he takes less money.
PS. Although Seneca isn't Drew Brees or D. McNabb, he is better than either of our guys right now and if I were coach, out of the 3 he is the most worth-while project to get behind as a starter.
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pennington is staying in miami. his new 1 year contract has a no-trade clause.
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the only thing that it shows me is that anderson is gone. other than that, it's only march so it's useless to speculate unless quinn goes before the draft.
i wouldn't be surprised at all to see DA restructure his contract to stay here. Cutting him is one thing but then you would have to keep Quinn.
Let me put on my GM hat for a second. I have DA who is due money that he just doesn't deserve. I have shown that I am fair by giving Cribbs a new deal although he has 3 years left. Now I can approach DA with a lower contract and job security. If he takes it, Quinn can be dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder or packaged with another player in a deal. Afterall, DA has almost no value in the trade market. Still, I want a legit backup on this team with knowledge of this complex offense, I gotta keep one of them. If DA doesn't take the new deal, I cut him and try and trade Quinn for a vet like Pennington as he knows this offense. If he does take the deal, I package Quinn and try and get another vet in here.
Either way I see it, I don't want Quinn on my roster unless he's starting as he is a MAJOR distraction when in the bench. And I don't feel comfortable making him the starter because he is just as bad as DA. I have to trade him. DA can only stay if he takes less money.
PS. Although Seneca isn't Drew Brees or D. McNabb, he is better than either of our guys right now and if I were coach, out of the 3 he is the most worth-while project to get behind as a starter.
i wouldn't be surprised at all to see DA restructure his contract to stay here. Cutting him is one thing but then you would have to keep Quinn.
Let me put on my GM hat for a second. I have DA who is due money that he just doesn't deserve. I have shown that I am fair by giving Cribbs a new deal although he has 3 years left. Now I can approach DA with a lower contract and job security. If he takes it, Quinn can be dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder or packaged with another player in a deal. Afterall, DA has almost no value in the trade market. Still, I want a legit backup on this team with knowledge of this complex offense, I gotta keep one of them. If DA doesn't take the new deal, I cut him and try and trade Quinn for a vet like Pennington as he knows this offense. If he does take the deal, I package Quinn and try and get another vet in here.
Either way I see it, I don't want Quinn on my roster unless he's starting as he is a MAJOR distraction when in the bench. And I don't feel comfortable making him the starter because he is just as bad as DA. I have to trade him. DA can only stay if he takes less money.
PS. Although Seneca isn't Drew Brees or D. McNabb, he is better than either of our guys right now and if I were coach, out of the 3 he is the most worth-while project to get behind as a starter.
Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
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i wouldn't be surprised at all to see DA restructure his contract to stay here. Cutting him is one thing but then you would have to keep Quinn.
Let me put on my GM hat for a second. I have DA who is due money that he just doesn't deserve. I have shown that I am fair by giving Cribbs a new deal although he has 3 years left. Now I can approach DA with a lower contract and job security. If he takes it, Quinn can be dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder or packaged with another player in a deal. Afterall, DA has almost no value in the trade market. Still, I want a legit backup on this team with knowledge of this complex offense, I gotta keep one of them. If DA doesn't take the new deal, I cut him and try and trade Quinn for a vet like Pennington as he knows this offense. If he does take the deal, I package Quinn and try and get another vet in here.
Either way I see it, I don't want Quinn on my roster unless he's starting as he is a MAJOR distraction when in the bench. And I don't feel comfortable making him the starter because he is just as bad as DA. I have to trade him. DA can only stay if he takes less money.
PS. Although Seneca isn't Drew Brees or D. McNabb, he is better than either of our guys right now and if I were coach, out of the 3 he is the most worth-while project to get behind as a starter.
Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
He sucks.
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Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
He sucks.
He sucks.
And the other QB's on our roster are much better? I'm including the seven-year backup Seneca Wallace, too. He's the best we have, plain and simple, and we won't get much for him in a trade in terms of starting QB status.
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Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
He sucks.
He sucks.
BQ made the unfortunate mistake of wanting to play for the browns and thats why he sucks..just like every other qb we have had for 10 years cleveland is a graveyard for rookie quarterbacks...
Heres to hoping holmgren can rid us of this qb curse and the pathetic football culture that leads to it with or without bq but i wouldnt bank on it.
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I think it is a great pick up. Now we have a triple threat in the backfield. And that is without Davis!!! Pick your poison. Wallace,Cribbs,Harrison or pass. Can't cover all 4 options at once!!!! Now we need to draft a solid mid-round qb and let Holmgren work his magic!!!
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i wouldn't be surprised at all to see DA restructure his contract to stay here. Cutting him is one thing but then you would have to keep Quinn.
Let me put on my GM hat for a second. I have DA who is due money that he just doesn't deserve. I have shown that I am fair by giving Cribbs a new deal although he has 3 years left. Now I can approach DA with a lower contract and job security. If he takes it, Quinn can be dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder or packaged with another player in a deal. Afterall, DA has almost no value in the trade market. Still, I want a legit backup on this team with knowledge of this complex offense, I gotta keep one of them. If DA doesn't take the new deal, I cut him and try and trade Quinn for a vet like Pennington as he knows this offense. If he does take the deal, I package Quinn and try and get another vet in here.
Either way I see it, I don't want Quinn on my roster unless he's starting as he is a MAJOR distraction when in the bench. And I don't feel comfortable making him the starter because he is just as bad as DA. I have to trade him. DA can only stay if he takes less money.
PS. Although Seneca isn't Drew Brees or D. McNabb, he is better than either of our guys right now and if I were coach, out of the 3 he is the most worth-while project to get behind as a starter.
Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
If Wallace was definitely brought in to be the starter and Quinn the backup, it might make sense to keep Quinn. If Wallace was brought in with the idea of him being a backup to someone, then it makes sense to trade Quinn. Quinn as a starter? What's the sense in starting an NFL Qb that hasn't shown much of an ability throw more than 3-7 yards downfield? Anderson did quite well behind a healthy line with receivers that can catch the ball, still won more (and a higher percentage) games than any QB on the Browns roster when the team had neither a line or receivers that could catch. It'd be a crap shoot to keep him, but if they can't bring in a legit starter he might be worth negotiating a cheaper deal and giving a full preseason (he's NEVER had that) and 10 games to coach up with the idea that he's benched for Wallace and gone if he doesn't pan out. It all depends on whether the team brass is looking at a one year turnaround or a 2-3 year project. Holmgren's said that no QB would thrive when the line can't protect and the receivers can't catch, sounds like QB isn't his top priority to me.
Odds are fair that the Browns bring in another QB, dump all of last season's QBs, and draft a potential future QB, but if they're keeping one QB on the roster it makes more sense to keep Anderson if they can get the price down or intend to try him as a starter.
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I think it is a great pick up. Now we have a triple threat in the backfield. And that is without Davis!!! Pick your poison. Wallace,Cribbs,Harrison or pass. Can't cover all 4 options at once!!!! Now we need to draft a solid mid-round qb and let Holmgren work his magic!!!
Now we need to draft a solid mid-round qb and let Holmgren work his magic!!!
holmgren said he's not going to coach, so it will be up to brian daboll and carl smith to work the 'magic'. (god help us!)
acquiring wallace just seems like a lateral move. nothing really gained. now we get to watch a midget run around for an hour and toss up a couple int's every game. it's looking more and more like we'll have to draft a lefevour or pike and hope quinn or whoever can last a while so the kid doesn't have to go in the game and get killed, ala tim couch.
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It seems to me that they've just brought in a solid backup. Now they're free to get rid of one of the two guys they've done the revolving starter thing with. There still may be another QB in the picture soon, then both DA and BQ are gone, but for now it's a good move.
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Now we need to draft a solid mid-round qb and let Holmgren work his magic!!!
holmgren said he's not going to coach, so it will be up to brian daboll and carl smith to work the 'magic'. (god help us!)
acquiring wallace just seems like a lateral move. nothing really gained. now we get to watch a midget run around for an hour and toss up a couple int's every game. it's looking more and more like we'll have to draft a lefevour or pike and hope quinn or whoever can last a while so the kid doesn't have to go in the game and get killed, ala tim couch.
holmgren said he's not going to coach, so it will be up to brian daboll and carl smith to work the 'magic'. (god help us!)
acquiring wallace just seems like a lateral move. nothing really gained. now we get to watch a midget run around for an hour and toss up a couple int's every game. it's looking more and more like we'll have to draft a lefevour or pike and hope quinn or whoever can last a while so the kid doesn't have to go in the game and get killed, ala tim couch.
While it is true that Daboll will be the coach of whatever qb's we get, I bet that Both him and mangina have strings tighly wrapped around there balls to make sure they are doing what the "Prez" wants lol
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holmgren said he's not going to coach, so it will be up to brian daboll and carl smith to work the 'magic'. (god help us!)
acquiring wallace just seems like a lateral move. nothing really gained. now we get to watch a midget run around for an hour and toss up a couple int's every game. it's looking more and more like we'll have to draft a lefevour or pike and hope quinn or whoever can last a while so the kid doesn't have to go in the game and get killed, ala tim couch.
While it is true that Daboll will be the coach of whatever qb's we get, I bet that Both him and mangina have strings tighly wrapped around there balls to make sure they are doing what the "Prez" wants lol
While it is true that Daboll will be the coach of whatever qb's we get, I bet that Both him and mangina have strings tighly wrapped around there balls to make sure they are doing what the "Prez" wants lol
Greatest line I have heard in this whole thread. Daboll is going to have a Holmgren in his ear every game telling him exactly what to call and the plays will be called out of the 'holmgren' play book definitely not Dabolls.
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i wouldn't be surprised at all to see DA restructure his contract to stay here. Cutting him is one thing but then you would have to keep Quinn.
Let me put on my GM hat for a second. I have DA who is due money that he just doesn't deserve. I have shown that I am fair by giving Cribbs a new deal although he has 3 years left. Now I can approach DA with a lower contract and job security. If he takes it, Quinn can be dealt for a 4th or 5th rounder or packaged with another player in a deal. Afterall, DA has almost no value in the trade market. Still, I want a legit backup on this team with knowledge of this complex offense, I gotta keep one of them. If DA doesn't take the new deal, I cut him and try and trade Quinn for a vet like Pennington as he knows this offense. If he does take the deal, I package Quinn and try and get another vet in here.
Either way I see it, I don't want Quinn on my roster unless he's starting as he is a MAJOR distraction when in the bench. And I don't feel comfortable making him the starter because he is just as bad as DA. I have to trade him. DA can only stay if he takes less money.
PS. Although Seneca isn't Drew Brees or D. McNabb, he is better than either of our guys right now and if I were coach, out of the 3 he is the most worth-while project to get behind as a starter.
Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
Why do you want to trade BQ so much?
It's not just Quinn, I'l be happy if we can trade DA but I just don't see anyone who would want to give anything up just to take a chance on him as a backup and take on that salary. Quinn has more value on the trade market that's all. And I don't care which one it is, I just know that when Quinn is on this roster, whoever may start ahead of him will always be looking behind them everytime they throw the ball. If he can't start, he needs to go. That is the key. If the new regime thinks he can be coached up and should start, fine. I just don't see a single positive quality about the guy as a QB. And nobody wants to field questions about the backup QB every Tuesday through Saturday during the season. You won't get that with DA as a backup. Except from Mary Kay.
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Now we need to draft a solid mid-round qb and let Holmgren work his magic!!!
holmgren said he's not going to coach, so it will be up to brian daboll and carl smith to work the 'magic'. (god help us!)
acquiring wallace just seems like a lateral move. nothing really gained. now we get to watch a midget run around for an hour and toss up a couple int's every game. it's looking more and more like we'll have to draft a lefevour or pike and hope quinn or whoever can last a while so the kid doesn't have to go in the game and get killed, ala tim couch.
holmgren said he's not going to coach, so it will be up to brian daboll and carl smith to work the 'magic'. (god help us!)
don't forget Gil Haskell, the 3rd "H" of the "H3", aka Daboll's new mentor.
just cuz Mike Holmgren said he wouldn't coach (and potentially violate NFL policies in the process) doesn't mean his right-hand man won't. in fact i'd say he already is.
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