Both of our QB's SUCK
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The pace is outstanding. It's definitely more business-like than what folks saw under Crennel. I'm a fan so far. You can see that Mangini is much more CEO than he is Ole' Ball Coach. He might be old school in some ways, but make no mistake, this is a high-tech effort. It's a big switch from sort of motivation-teaching to tactical-teaching. I don't imagine you'll ever hear coach Mangini say something like "We just need to play better". He's just not wired like that.
The entire camp is broken down into a series of if/then contingencies. It's really something to see.
My only concern is that it's such a change, I'm afraid they may lose a few vets emotionally. And maybe that's OK. Some guys just aren't wired to make the switch from a theoretical coach who works like an orchestra conductor, and a task master like Mangini who seems to delight in breaking things down to the cellular level, only to rebuild it again.
It can get monotonous, tedious... and some guys will tune out after awhile if they're not feeling the success brewing.
-jj
dude, can you coach my intramural flag football team?
every time this guy posts its sick, he has the voice of football god, hence why he has more thanks than posts....
dude, can you coach my intramural flag football team?
every time this guy posts its sick, he has the voice of football god, hence why he has more thanks than posts....
Thanks for the kind words. But I've got 24 12 year-olds this year to coach up. And I'm relishing not being the head coach this year. Defensive Line and WR's this year, and I love it!
-jj
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Wow...
I sign in tonight and somehow someone turned the clock back to training camp 1999 with Zombo and Skippy fighting about QB's.
The thing for all of you to remember is that Skippy hates ALL QB's except for St. Joe and Ken Stabler (when skippy used to wear Raiders jammies and a Raiders cowboy hat). His opinion on the play of QB's is about as relevant as Lumpdick commenting on the play of any QB not from Oregon.
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@jadbf said:
So Jason,it sounds like you have been able to see some of camp. And to get a little bit away from the whole QB debate portion of our show. What's your opinion of the over all level of the coaching going on with this regime compared to the last one? to the lay person (or moron like me) the reports coming from this camp just seem night and day different than under RAC. Would just love to hear your view of how camp is run over all.
Thanks
this is Golfer by the way
The pace is outstanding. It's definitely more business-like than what folks saw under Crennel. I'm a fan so far. You can see that Mangini is much more CEO than he is Ole' Ball Coach. He might be old school in some ways, but make no mistake, this is a high-tech effort. It's a big switch from sort of motivation-teaching to tactical-teaching. I don't imagine you'll ever hear coach Mangini say something like "We just need to play better". He's just not wired like that.
The entire camp is broken down into a series of if/then contingencies. It's really something to see.
My only concern is that it's such a change, I'm afraid they may lose a few vets emotionally. And maybe that's OK. Some guys just aren't wired to make the switch from a theoretical coach who works like an orchestra conductor, and a task master like Mangini who seems to delight in breaking things down to the cellular level, only to rebuild it again.
It can get monotonous, tedious... and some guys will tune out after awhile if they're not feeling the success brewing.
-jj
The pace is outstanding. It's definitely more business-like than what folks saw under Crennel. I'm a fan so far. You can see that Mangini is much more CEO than he is Ole' Ball Coach. He might be old school in some ways, but make no mistake, this is a high-tech effort. It's a big switch from sort of motivation-teaching to tactical-teaching. I don't imagine you'll ever hear coach Mangini say something like "We just need to play better". He's just not wired like that.
The entire camp is broken down into a series of if/then contingencies. It's really something to see.
My only concern is that it's such a change, I'm afraid they may lose a few vets emotionally. And maybe that's OK. Some guys just aren't wired to make the switch from a theoretical coach who works like an orchestra conductor, and a task master like Mangini who seems to delight in breaking things down to the cellular level, only to rebuild it again.
It can get monotonous, tedious... and some guys will tune out after awhile if they're not feeling the success brewing.
-jj
theoretical coach who works like an orchestra conductor....Ummmm remind me which Browns coach this was????
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Zombo said:
Quit being such a homo.
Either Anderson or Quinn can win.
Every year we are like 30th in defense and the Ravens and Steelers are like #1 and #2 and some homo complains it's because our QB sucks.
Congrats Skippy, this year it's you.
F***ing Flacco goes to the AFC championship and everyone is still wondering about the QB position.
WHEN THE CLEVELAND BROWNS ARE A BETTTER PHYSICAL AND DEFENSIVE TEAM THEY WILL BEAT THE RAVENS AND STEELERS AND NOT BEFORE THEN I DONT GIVE A SHIT WHO THE QB IS.
F***ing Anderson threw for 29TDs and 3700 yards and we missed the playoffs by a gnat's hair and everyone blames him instead of the f***ing 30th ranked defense.
What the f*** is wrong with you people?
Zombo
If we had a top 10 ranked defense that year, we win the division and maybe the superbowl.
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ZOMBO ZOMBO ZOMBO ZOMBO ZOMBO ZOMBO ZOMBO!!!!!!!!!
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Not to change the subject, But the w.r. we got from OSU Brian R. is he a quick reciver or a "hands" type. I really dont follow ncaa football so I never watchd the man play. Im just asking
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Zombo said:
The key to this whole thread is that Skippy's gay rant got 11 "thanks", while my response got 13.I still own him.
And defense still rules the AFC North.
But let's dissect wonderlic scores and 40 times for QBs a little more ... that must be why we are losing.
Zombo
Oh, this is precious ... Zippy takes a vacation to PA for a week, spends his time an hour or so from the Browns Training camp shooting pictures of deer and turtles on one of his many nature walks, then comes back ignoring what we do have for a pipe dream about a top-10 defense.
(insert golf clap)
How does James Davis look? Who cares it's all about defense. That was unfortunate that Hadnot went down - who cares it is all about defense. Any read on what is going on with Braylon Edwards? It doesn't matter it is all about defense. Is Alex Mack going to start? Who cares it is all about defense. We've put a lot of emphasis into the O-line with Steinbach, Joe Thomas, Alex Mack, ect in recent years, will it start to pay-off? Doesn't matter it is all about defense. How was your trip to PA? Oh I got lots of pictures of bambi's and turtles... it was so fun I never made it over to actually see the Browns camp, but I can sure chime in and discount everything by stating that it doesn't matter until we get a top-10 defense. Lookie, I even got 13 "Thanks" from others who thought I sounded groovy sheilding their favorite shiney QB's.
It's Football Season Zippy ... how about tightening your chin strap and joining us.
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WTF are we doing?
Serioulsy, why can't we ever bring in a veteran to push these young dumbass'es?
I went to Camp today with Riffer. He's a Quinn homo and still hangs onto that 'hope' and 'dream' that someday a pretty boy QB will make the front cover of the National mag's don'ing a Browns Jersey.
Screw that pipe dream! These guys are followers, back-ups, losers, never-was .....
Anderson and Quinn looked like shit today. As Riff stated, Anderson held the ball so long I blew my load and had a cigarette. Quinn panics and dumps passes through defenders arms that are just plain stupid throws. He puts touch on a balls that should be hammered home in a goal line set. He floats a ball when a receiver busts a seem and can't wait around for a delivery.
hold on a second ... I'm dry heaving.
We sit here day-in and day-out hanging on these two clowns. Where's Drew Bledsoe for $1-mil? Why are we stuck in an off-season with Brett Farve and Michael Vick? Where is the Vet that could out play these two kids with his eyes closed?
Seriously, stop embarrassing yourselves. Again as Riff stated, you might read or hear of a TD pass from one of these guys, but what the story fails to tell you is how one of our weakass DE's already busted in, stopped, and stared at the QB for two-seconds before that pass was ever even thought of being released. 3.5-seconds before it's launched. (I'm not exaggerating, although I wish I were)
OMG, I'm going to get sick.
Let's switch gears and talk about something else.
The receivers caught virtually EVERYTHING. Ok, a pass or so behind a TE was occasionally dropped. Rucker dropped a pass in one-on-one routes that was poor, but beyond that it was catch, after catch, after catch, after catch. much improved from recent years and definately the best ever while a Robiskie was on the field (that's a dig at the father ... settle down Buckeye fans).
The DB's seemed to play closer to the line from years past. Those that know me, know that I like that. I like me some bump-n-run. To tell you the truth, the biggest WR blunder tonight was Braylon not getting off the line on one one-on-one drill, he lined up again with a short break and stumbled again. I can't remember the DB in coverage (Riff?), but on the first attempt, the DB shoved Braylons head to to the ground and stopped him dead as he stumbled out of the blocks. the second time, Braylon stumbled on his own while attempting to fire off. The plays were consecutive, so they stuck out. Keep in mind, this was a one-on-one drill with just him, a DB, and his QB - with all the time in the world to run an elaborate route and get seperation. It's a WR drill, the DB's are typically hung out to dry with no help. Braylon, to his credit, made all the catches, but didn't look 100% with his legs under him.
Let's move on to the RB's ... i'm going to pick-up where I left off in years past in calling out Jamal Lewis. He don't look nearly as hungry as he did when he came here. I say he's washed up, and won't contribute much this season. I like James Davis a lot ... I keep thinking of Greg Pruitt when I see him. Not the moves and break-away (tear-away?) factor, but the type of body or build. He looks smooth. (Zippy, he is my 'Corey Bridges' take it for what it's worth). Harrison is over-rated. Guys (Harrison fags) c'mon, get serious. The guy is no where near taking it inside. He runs sideways behind the line. If we get him his 5-7 balls out in the flat with nothing but the end-zone 60-yards away, he may break it, or gain 40-50. But he's no every-down back. He's gay, and Jamal is the dancing bear. With those two and the two clown QB's, we will suck. Let's see what James Davis can do ... let's punt on third down (someone drown me).
Best Training Camp story ... honest to God, the Browns were practicing blocking punts tonight with Zastudil kicking. Each time, the DB came in uncontested and blocked the full-out punt off of Zastudil's foot. Is that crazy? I mean, it's cool that they are teaching/practicing it, but to use Zastudil for the drill? That's a dangerous drill on both sides.
We noticed that it didn't appear that we have any back-up FG kickers or Punters on the roster. On Special team drills, balls were launched by a back-up QB's arm, to simulate a punt/kick. That's a big change from previous camps.
I was a DA fag, and never really bought into the pretty boy, but have given up on both. I hate them.
WTF are we doing?
Serioulsy, why can't we ever bring in a veteran to push these young dumbass'es?
I went to Camp today with Riffer. He's a Quinn homo and still hangs onto that 'hope' and 'dream' that someday a pretty boy QB will make the front cover of the National mag's don'ing a Browns Jersey.
Screw that pipe dream! These guys are followers, back-ups, losers, never-was .....
Anderson and Quinn looked like shit today. As Riff stated, Anderson held the ball so long I blew my load and had a cigarette. Quinn panics and dumps passes through defenders arms that are just plain stupid throws. He puts touch on a balls that should be hammered home in a goal line set. He floats a ball when a receiver busts a seem and can't wait around for a delivery.
hold on a second ... I'm dry heaving.
We sit here day-in and day-out hanging on these two clowns. Where's Drew Bledsoe for $1-mil? Why are we stuck in an off-season with Brett Farve and Michael Vick? Where is the Vet that could out play these two kids with his eyes closed?
Seriously, stop embarrassing yourselves. Again as Riff stated, you might read or hear of a TD pass from one of these guys, but what the story fails to tell you is how one of our weakass DE's already busted in, stopped, and stared at the QB for two-seconds before that pass was ever even thought of being released. 3.5-seconds before it's launched. (I'm not exaggerating, although I wish I were)
OMG, I'm going to get sick.
Let's switch gears and talk about something else.
The receivers caught virtually EVERYTHING. Ok, a pass or so behind a TE was occasionally dropped. Rucker dropped a pass in one-on-one routes that was poor, but beyond that it was catch, after catch, after catch, after catch. much improved from recent years and definately the best ever while a Robiskie was on the field (that's a dig at the father ... settle down Buckeye fans).
The DB's seemed to play closer to the line from years past. Those that know me, know that I like that. I like me some bump-n-run. To tell you the truth, the biggest WR blunder tonight was Braylon not getting off the line on one one-on-one drill, he lined up again with a short break and stumbled again. I can't remember the DB in coverage (Riff?), but on the first attempt, the DB shoved Braylons head to to the ground and stopped him dead as he stumbled out of the blocks. the second time, Braylon stumbled on his own while attempting to fire off. The plays were consecutive, so they stuck out. Keep in mind, this was a one-on-one drill with just him, a DB, and his QB - with all the time in the world to run an elaborate route and get seperation. It's a WR drill, the DB's are typically hung out to dry with no help. Braylon, to his credit, made all the catches, but didn't look 100% with his legs under him.
Let's move on to the RB's ... i'm going to pick-up where I left off in years past in calling out Jamal Lewis. He don't look nearly as hungry as he did when he came here. I say he's washed up, and won't contribute much this season. I like James Davis a lot ... I keep thinking of Greg Pruitt when I see him. Not the moves and break-away (tear-away?) factor, but the type of body or build. He looks smooth. (Zippy, he is my 'Corey Bridges' take it for what it's worth). Harrison is over-rated. Guys (Harrison fags) c'mon, get serious. The guy is no where near taking it inside. He runs sideways behind the line. If we get him his 5-7 balls out in the flat with nothing but the end-zone 60-yards away, he may break it, or gain 40-50. But he's no every-down back. He's gay, and Jamal is the dancing bear. With those two and the two clown QB's, we will suck. Let's see what James Davis can do ... let's punt on third down (someone drown me).
Best Training Camp story ... honest to God, the Browns were practicing blocking punts tonight with Zastudil kicking. Each time, the DB came in uncontested and blocked the full-out punt off of Zastudil's foot. Is that crazy? I mean, it's cool that they are teaching/practicing it, but to use Zastudil for the drill? That's a dangerous drill on both sides.
We noticed that it didn't appear that we have any back-up FG kickers or Punters on the roster. On Special team drills, balls were launched by a back-up QB's arm, to simulate a punt/kick. That's a big change from previous camps.
I was a DA fag, and never really bought into the pretty boy, but have given up on both. I hate them.
Anything different from this Camp report on August 5th?
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I was actually somehow thinking about this exact thread during the game, and I was gonna bump it but you beat me to it ATENEARS.
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WTF are we doing?
Serioulsy, why can't we ever bring in a veteran to push these young dumbass'es?
I went to Camp today with Riffer. He's a Quinn homo and still hangs onto that 'hope' and 'dream' that someday a pretty boy QB will make the front cover of the National mag's don'ing a Browns Jersey.
Screw that pipe dream! These guys are followers, back-ups, losers, never-was .....
Anderson and Quinn looked like shit today. As Riff stated, Anderson held the ball so long I blew my load and had a cigarette. Quinn panics and dumps passes through defenders arms that are just plain stupid throws. He puts touch on a balls that should be hammered home in a goal line set. He floats a ball when a receiver busts a seem and can't wait around for a delivery.
hold on a second ... I'm dry heaving.
We sit here day-in and day-out hanging on these two clowns. Where's Drew Bledsoe for $1-mil? Why are we stuck in an off-season with Brett Farve and Michael Vick? Where is the Vet that could out play these two kids with his eyes closed?
Seriously, stop embarrassing yourselves. Again as Riff stated, you might read or hear of a TD pass from one of these guys, but what the story fails to tell you is how one of our weakass DE's already busted in, stopped, and stared at the QB for two-seconds before that pass was ever even thought of being released. 3.5-seconds before it's launched. (I'm not exaggerating, although I wish I were)
OMG, I'm going to get sick.
Let's switch gears and talk about something else.
The receivers caught virtually EVERYTHING. Ok, a pass or so behind a TE was occasionally dropped. Rucker dropped a pass in one-on-one routes that was poor, but beyond that it was catch, after catch, after catch, after catch. much improved from recent years and definately the best ever while a Robiskie was on the field (that's a dig at the father ... settle down Buckeye fans).
The DB's seemed to play closer to the line from years past. Those that know me, know that I like that. I like me some bump-n-run. To tell you the truth, the biggest WR blunder tonight was Braylon not getting off the line on one one-on-one drill, he lined up again with a short break and stumbled again. I can't remember the DB in coverage (Riff?), but on the first attempt, the DB shoved Braylons head to to the ground and stopped him dead as he stumbled out of the blocks. the second time, Braylon stumbled on his own while attempting to fire off. The plays were consecutive, so they stuck out. Keep in mind, this was a one-on-one drill with just him, a DB, and his QB - with all the time in the world to run an elaborate route and get seperation. It's a WR drill, the DB's are typically hung out to dry with no help. Braylon, to his credit, made all the catches, but didn't look 100% with his legs under him.
Let's move on to the RB's ... i'm going to pick-up where I left off in years past in calling out Jamal Lewis. He don't look nearly as hungry as he did when he came here. I say he's washed up, and won't contribute much this season. I like James Davis a lot ... I keep thinking of Greg Pruitt when I see him. Not the moves and break-away (tear-away?) factor, but the type of body or build. He looks smooth. (Zippy, he is my 'Corey Bridges' take it for what it's worth). Harrison is over-rated. Guys (Harrison fags) c'mon, get serious. The guy is no where near taking it inside. He runs sideways behind the line. If we get him his 5-7 balls out in the flat with nothing but the end-zone 60-yards away, he may break it, or gain 40-50. But he's no every-down back. He's gay, and Jamal is the dancing bear. With those two and the two clown QB's, we will suck. Let's see what James Davis can do ... let's punt on third down (someone drown me).
Best Training Camp story ... honest to God, the Browns were practicing blocking punts tonight with Zastudil kicking. Each time, the DB came in uncontested and blocked the full-out punt off of Zastudil's foot. Is that crazy? I mean, it's cool that they are teaching/practicing it, but to use Zastudil for the drill? That's a dangerous drill on both sides.
We noticed that it didn't appear that we have any back-up FG kickers or Punters on the roster. On Special team drills, balls were launched by a back-up QB's arm, to simulate a punt/kick. That's a big change from previous camps.
I was a DA fag, and never really bought into the pretty boy, but have given up on both. I hate them.
WTF are we doing?
Serioulsy, why can't we ever bring in a veteran to push these young dumbass'es?
I went to Camp today with Riffer. He's a Quinn homo and still hangs onto that 'hope' and 'dream' that someday a pretty boy QB will make the front cover of the National mag's don'ing a Browns Jersey.
Screw that pipe dream! These guys are followers, back-ups, losers, never-was .....
Anderson and Quinn looked like shit today. As Riff stated, Anderson held the ball so long I blew my load and had a cigarette. Quinn panics and dumps passes through defenders arms that are just plain stupid throws. He puts touch on a balls that should be hammered home in a goal line set. He floats a ball when a receiver busts a seem and can't wait around for a delivery.
hold on a second ... I'm dry heaving.
We sit here day-in and day-out hanging on these two clowns. Where's Drew Bledsoe for $1-mil? Why are we stuck in an off-season with Brett Farve and Michael Vick? Where is the Vet that could out play these two kids with his eyes closed?
Seriously, stop embarrassing yourselves. Again as Riff stated, you might read or hear of a TD pass from one of these guys, but what the story fails to tell you is how one of our weakass DE's already busted in, stopped, and stared at the QB for two-seconds before that pass was ever even thought of being released. 3.5-seconds before it's launched. (I'm not exaggerating, although I wish I were)
OMG, I'm going to get sick.
Let's switch gears and talk about something else.
The receivers caught virtually EVERYTHING. Ok, a pass or so behind a TE was occasionally dropped. Rucker dropped a pass in one-on-one routes that was poor, but beyond that it was catch, after catch, after catch, after catch. much improved from recent years and definately the best ever while a Robiskie was on the field (that's a dig at the father ... settle down Buckeye fans).
The DB's seemed to play closer to the line from years past. Those that know me, know that I like that. I like me some bump-n-run. To tell you the truth, the biggest WR blunder tonight was Braylon not getting off the line on one one-on-one drill, he lined up again with a short break and stumbled again. I can't remember the DB in coverage (Riff?), but on the first attempt, the DB shoved Braylons head to to the ground and stopped him dead as he stumbled out of the blocks. the second time, Braylon stumbled on his own while attempting to fire off. The plays were consecutive, so they stuck out. Keep in mind, this was a one-on-one drill with just him, a DB, and his QB - with all the time in the world to run an elaborate route and get seperation. It's a WR drill, the DB's are typically hung out to dry with no help. Braylon, to his credit, made all the catches, but didn't look 100% with his legs under him.
Let's move on to the RB's ... i'm going to pick-up where I left off in years past in calling out Jamal Lewis. He don't look nearly as hungry as he did when he came here. I say he's washed up, and won't contribute much this season. I like James Davis a lot ... I keep thinking of Greg Pruitt when I see him. Not the moves and break-away (tear-away?) factor, but the type of body or build. He looks smooth. (Zippy, he is my 'Corey Bridges' take it for what it's worth). Harrison is over-rated. Guys (Harrison fags) c'mon, get serious. The guy is no where near taking it inside. He runs sideways behind the line. If we get him his 5-7 balls out in the flat with nothing but the end-zone 60-yards away, he may break it, or gain 40-50. But he's no every-down back. He's gay, and Jamal is the dancing bear. With those two and the two clown QB's, we will suck. Let's see what James Davis can do ... let's punt on third down (someone drown me).
Best Training Camp story ... honest to God, the Browns were practicing blocking punts tonight with Zastudil kicking. Each time, the DB came in uncontested and blocked the full-out punt off of Zastudil's foot. Is that crazy? I mean, it's cool that they are teaching/practicing it, but to use Zastudil for the drill? That's a dangerous drill on both sides.
We noticed that it didn't appear that we have any back-up FG kickers or Punters on the roster. On Special team drills, balls were launched by a back-up QB's arm, to simulate a punt/kick. That's a big change from previous camps.
I was a DA fag, and never really bought into the pretty boy, but have given up on both. I hate them.
The first Training Camp practice that I attended last year, I came to the same conclusion as Holmgren.
Don't forget about James Davis!
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I wouldn't look down on the new QB situation at all. Del had a bad season and Wallace is no more than a solid backup, but Del was signed at the norm and they got Wallace for a draft pick. How much were Brady and DA?
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i love how one bad season makes a once respected QB suck.
it realy makes sense....and creates and easy-to-succeed environment.
i love how one bad season makes a once respected QB suck.
it realy makes sense....and creates and easy-to-succeed environment.
I'm sure that's what they told Kurt Warner after his stint with the Giants. It's been so long since there's been a prime time QB in Cleveland, I doubt the fans would recognize him if he walked through the door. How much you want to bet that Delhomme won't be any worse than #10 and #3 were last year? How many sub-100 yard games is he going to have? Choco...you could come off the street and throw for 50.
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