Charles Davis
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As crazy as Suh and Berry faling to us sounds with the 3 OT's available and the number of teams needing help at OT big time (Det, Wash, Sea, KC) out there, if Detroit goes OT this mock is in play
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Well then Charles Davis is wrong.
A QB who gets drafted at #7 is going to play right away. That doesn't fit this team.
The Browns' bigger need is an instant impact player at another position. That would be CB, S, or WR.
That's why we'll have either Berry or Haden at #7. We will draft a QB in the 3rd round, methinks.
...searching for Nev Chandler..."5,4,3,2,1, Touchdown Browns!! -
I don't agree that a qb who gets drafted high has to play right away....it isn't uncommon for a guy to sit for a year....it is probably best he sits a year.
Unlike some positions where you expect instant impact, QBs are always picks with the future in mind over instant gratification.
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He has the wrong surprise. The surprise will come from Washington, in my opinion...
1. Rams - Bradford
2. Lions - Okung
3. Bucs - Suh
4. Skins - Spiller
5. Chiefs - McCoy
6. Seahawks - Clausen
7. Browns - Berry....if we stay.
Detroit already picked up two DL during free agency and trade, now they are going to want to protect Stafford and that potentially lethal offense
And Washington went defense last year and they are the type of team who gets sucked in by the "sexy pick". Portis is old and they don't have a legitemate WR on that team. It's Campbell's make or break year so they will look to get him a weapon.
Pre-order your #29 BERRY jerseys folks!!!
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I don't agree that a qb who gets drafted high has to play right away....it isn't uncommon for a guy to sit for a year....it is probably best he sits a year.
Unlike some positions where you expect instant impact, QBs are always picks with the future in mind over instant gratification.
I don't agree that a qb who gets drafted high has to play right away....it isn't uncommon for a guy to sit for a year....it is probably best he sits a year.
Unlike some positions where you expect instant impact, QBs are always picks with the future in mind over instant gratification.
Well, thanks to Flacco, Ryan, and Sanchez, the expectations have changed a bit for rookie QBs.
It's not uncommon but with our roster, I cannot see us using a high pick on a QB instead of addressing other needs. This team has been built over the last few weeks to groom a QB. That type of project gets started in the 3rd or 4th round. Seeing as how we have three 3rd rounders, I can see us getting one there but I expect to see it in the 5th.
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Article from Peter King
If I were an NFL team drafting high, I'd be very careful evaluating Eric Berry.
The Tennessee safety, obviously, is a rare prospect. But the history of safeties in terms of longevity and greatness at the top of the draft is very shaky.
The nature of the position is smallish people throwing themselves around like linebackers, and that doesn't lend itself to long careers. The three best safeties to be drafted in the past decade -- Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu and Bob Sanders -- have missed 78 games due to injury in their 21 combined NFL seasons.
Berry looks like a top-10 pick, but the team that takes him is going to be picking against history. Of the five top-10 safeties this decade, none has had franchise-player impact: Roy Williams (Dallas, eighth overall, 2002), Sean Taylor (Washington, fifth overall, 2004), Michael Huff (Oakland, seventh, 2006), Donte Whitner (Buffalo, eighth, 2006), LaRon Landry (Washington, sixth, 2007). Taylor might have had franchise-player impact if he had not been gunned down three-and-a-half years into his career. But overall, the position justifies the caution lots of teams are taking with it.
[b]Atlanta GM Thomas Dimitroff calls the safety-at-the-top-of-the-draft debate a conundrum. "It's been on my mind a lot lately," he said, "and I realize I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth here, but Berry's a really good player. It's been on my mind quite a bit recently. You want the good hitter with hip movement, able to turn and run, but then reality sets in. I was talking to [Kansas City GM] Scott Pioli about Berry, and I said, 'Scott, this guy's your pick.' And he said, 'You know how I feel about safeties that early.' And I understand.''[/b]
I'm not saying Berry won't be a great player. Maybe he'll be Ed Reed. Maybe he'll know when to dish out the big hit and when to steer a player instead of seek and destroy. But the odds of him being great for a long time -- as opposed to the physical longevity of a tackle or defensive lineman or quarterback not subject to as many high-speed collisions -- are pretty long, based on history.
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Lol theres no way we take a QB at #7 over berry if he is still there this draft is weak at QB and WR but strong at several defensive positions we need to address, there is just no way we pass on berry if he is there this guy is an impact player at a position we have not had properly filled since our return!
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As crazy as Suh and Berry faling to us sounds with the 3 OT's available and the number of teams needing help at OT big time (Det, Wash, Sea, KC) out there, if Detroit goes OT this mock is in play
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He has the wrong surprise. The surprise will come from Washington, in my opinion...
1. Rams - Bradford
2. Lions - Okung
3. Bucs - Suh
4. Skins - Spiller
5. Chiefs - McCoy
6. Seahawks - Clausen
7. Browns - Berry....if we stay.
Detroit already picked up two DL during free agency and trade, now they are going to want to protect Stafford and that potentially lethal offense
And Washington went defense last year and they are the type of team who gets sucked in by the "sexy pick". Portis is old and they don't have a legitemate WR on that team. It's Campbell's make or break year so they will look to get him a weapon.
Pre-order your #29 BERRY jerseys folks!!!
1. Rams - Bradford
2. Lions - Okung
3. Bucs - Suh
4. Skins - Spiller
5. Chiefs - McCoy
6. Seahawks - Clausen
7. Browns - Berry....if we stay.
Your Chiefs pick doesn't make much sense. They've already got two top five picks at 3-4 end; they'd have to move Dorsey before they could entertain drafting McCoy, who probably is a better fit at the position than Dorsey but still isn't ideal.
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1. Rams - Bradford
2. Lions - Okung
3. Bucs - Suh
4. Skins - Spiller
5. Chiefs - McCoy
6. Seahawks - Clausen
7. Browns - Berry....if we stay.
Your Chiefs pick doesn't make much sense. They've already got two top five picks at 3-4 end; they'd have to move Dorsey before they could entertain drafting McCoy, who probably is a better fit at the position than Dorsey but still isn't ideal.
Your Chiefs pick doesn't make much sense. They've already got two top five picks at 3-4 end; they'd have to move Dorsey before they could entertain drafting McCoy, who probably is a better fit at the position than Dorsey but still isn't ideal.
You make a good point but the reason I think they'll take him is because if he's still there, you would be silly to pass on him. He may be too good to be true at #5.
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Well if you believe what Holmgren is saying pre-draft it sounds like there is no way we take Clausen. He says "I wish I liked him more".
I think Holmgren would consider Bradford at 7 but I doubt he trades up to get him.
I still think people are reading way too much into the Corey Williams trade for the Lions. I would like to see it, but I doubt the Lions take an OT. I say they definitely take Suh.
6 teams passing on both Suh and Berry would be ridiculous.
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this one has Suh and Berry falling to us
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true
nmills said:
this one has Suh and Berry falling to ushttp://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true
And mock drafter that has both Suh and Berry falling to #7 should have his computer wrested away from him.
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Your Chiefs pick doesn't make much sense. They've already got two top five picks at 3-4 end; they'd have to move Dorsey before they could entertain drafting McCoy, who probably is a better fit at the position than Dorsey but still isn't ideal.
You make a good point but the reason I think they'll take him is because if he's still there, you would be silly to pass on him. He may be too good to be true at #5.
You make a good point but the reason I think they'll take him is because if he's still there, you would be silly to pass on him. He may be too good to be true at #5.
Well, if you had both McCoy and Dorsey on your DL, you would definitely be playing the 4-3.....and, theoretically, playing it quite well.
I mean, nothing wrong with having both Rosey Grier and Merlin Olsen on your DL. Or Bob Lilly and Randy White.
Or, maybe, these two guys.
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The Chiefs are committed to the 3-4 (w/ Crennel as their DC). And while McCoy could play in their system, he'd be much better freed up to shoot gaps in a Tampa 2-style defense.
Plus, the investment in their DL would be ginormous:
Glenn Dorsey: 5 years, $33M, $22.5M guaranteedTyson Jackson: 5 years, $57M, $31M guaranteedGerald McCoy: somewhere in betweenAnd they'd still lack a true nose tackle, making adding McCoy an extremely questionable move.
So I don't see it happening.
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Even if these mocks are a bit off, this discussion is giving me some hope that something first-rate is going to drop to us at 7. If two teams go for OT, we should have something nice remaining.
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Well then Charles Davis is wrong.
A QB who gets drafted at #7 is going to play right away. That doesn't fit this team.
The Browns' bigger need is an instant impact player at another position. That would be CB, S, or WR.
That's why we'll have either Berry or Haden at #7. We will draft a QB in the 3rd round, methinks.
Well then Charles Davis is wrong.
A QB who gets drafted at #7 is going to play right away. That doesn't fit this team.
The Browns' bigger need is an instant impact player at another position. That would be CB, S, or WR.
That's why we'll have either Berry or Haden at #7. We will draft a QB in the 3rd round, methinks.
I would be surprised if chuck wipes his ass right.
The last thing we need is a first round qb when we can't stop the run
Couldn't stop a pass from the cheerleaders (if we had any)
And our passing attack is $hitty at best.
Unless Coleslaw can play both ways and make 20 td passes with 100 tackles he would be worthless to this team.
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I don't agree that a qb who gets drafted high has to play right away....it isn't uncommon for a guy to sit for a year....it is probably best he sits a year.
Unlike some positions where you expect instant impact, QBs are always picks with the future in mind over instant gratification.
I don't agree that a qb who gets drafted high has to play right away....it isn't uncommon for a guy to sit for a year....it is probably best he sits a year.
Unlike some positions where you expect instant impact, QBs are always picks with the future in mind over instant gratification.
Some times I wish the NFL would put in place a rookie salary cap sorta like the NBA.
You have a Rookie cap on the players and pay is based on position, but the NFL owners are partially to blame for paying these guys that huge amount of money and are basically forced to play them because they have so much financially wrapped up in these guys.
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