Ted Ginn, Jr.
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you have to remember though that they are still going to attempt to make cribbs a receiver even though he really can't play the position. they aren't ready to give up on him yet, especially with the contract he just got. they will be working robiskie into the slot position more this year and he will probably be a solid slot guy. i don't see him as a number 2 considering that momass really isn't really a number one. he's our number two for years to come.
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We need a guy in the slot that has hands. Ginn has not shown that he can be that guy. I dont know that he would be much of an upgrade over furrey.
Ginn's not a slot receiver he's a guy you flank out wide and spread the defense out with
nmills said:
Ginn's not a slot receiver he's a guy you flank out wide and spread the defense out withI agree with you mills. He is not a slot reviever either. Theres not much he could do for us. I was stating that becuase other posts on this thread said to bring him in as our slot reciever and i was stating why he would not be a good slot reciever. If you use him that is exactly what you use him for is to flank him out wide and let him run down the field. We can do a lot better than ginn even as a flanker. Even with the core that we currently have he would struggle to get on the field.
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I'm of the opinion you should be able to draft someone who can do what he does BETTER and perhaps have a higher ceiling. I don't think Ginn is awful and with the talent we have on our team now, he'd help out....BUT i'm unwilling to toss off a pick for him.
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Don't need him, he's no better than Stuckey.
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I'm of the opinion you should be able to draft someone who can do what he does BETTER and perhaps have a higher ceiling. I don't think Ginn is awful and with the talent we have on our team now, he'd help out....BUT i'm unwilling to toss off a pick for him.
I'm of the opinion you should be able to draft someone who can do what he does BETTER and perhaps have a higher ceiling. I don't think Ginn is awful and with the talent we have on our team now, he'd help out....BUT i'm unwilling to toss off a pick for him.
Exactly my feelings. i would much rather draft someone in rounds 2 - 5 then give up a pick for ginn. Preferably in rounds 3 through 5. I Think there is a much better chance and value with drafting a reciever then settling for a thus far mediocre at best teddy ginn. Though the dolphins will be looking to give him away for peanuts now that he has become their fifth best reciever.
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This is what Ted Ginn brings to your football team when you have a QB that can throw further than 40yds
He doesnt have to catch 100 balls he just has to stretch the field and make you pay when you dont respect his speed.
Even when its againt the best CB in the league
A fifth rd pick for a guy going into his 4th year. Was very raw coming out of college, Miami wouldnt be stupid enough to do that trade
nmills said:
This is what Ted Ginn brings to your football team when you have a QB that can throw further than 40ydsHe doesnt have to catch 100 balls he just has to stretch the field and make you pay when you dont respect his speed.
Even when its againt the best CB in the league
A fifth rd pick for a guy going into his 4th year. Was very raw coming out of college, Miami wouldnt be stupid enough to do that trade
Miami has now acquired Brandon Marshall. I actually think that it would now be foolish for the Dolphins to trade Ginn. Can you imagine what this would do to open up Ginn with Marshall on the other side? I would definitely take him on the Browns if the price were right to, as you say "stretch the defense". Who do we have to do that now? Not MoMass.
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We need a guy in the slot that has hands. Ginn has not shown that he can be that guy. I dont know that he would be much of an upgrade over furrey.
We need a guy in the slot that has hands. Ginn has not shown that he can be that guy. I dont know that he would be much of an upgrade over furrey.
Hello, McFly, is anybody home? You ain't putting Ginn in to be your clutch third down "hands" receiver. He is in to be your home run hitter. He is your Jim Thome, not your Omar Vizquel. Yea, he needs to hit a few more homers, and strike out a few less times, but he has something you can't coach: blazing speed. Something the Browns do need.
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Im not sure we want Ginn, depends on the asking price. but he is the type of WR we need, someone with great speed that can stretch the field, someone that makes a safety keep an eye on and pay attention to the deep ball. IF Robiskie develops, it will only result in a possesion reciever, and massaquoi lacks the top end speed to be a consistent vertical threat. Dont know much about Stuckey, he may be similar to Ginn, but theres probably a decent reason Ginn was a 1st round pick and Stuckey was a 7th...
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Im not sure we want Ginn, depends on the asking price. but he is the type of WR we need, someone with great speed that can stretch the field, someone that makes a safety keep an eye on and pay attention to the deep ball. IF Robiskie develops, it will only result in a possesion reciever, and massaquoi lacks the top end speed to be a consistent vertical threat. Dont know much about Stuckey, he may be similar to Ginn, but theres probably a decent reason Ginn was a 1st round pick and Stuckey was a 7th...
Im not sure we want Ginn, depends on the asking price. but he is the type of WR we need, someone with great speed that can stretch the field, someone that makes a safety keep an eye on and pay attention to the deep ball. IF Robiskie develops, it will only result in a possesion reciever, and massaquoi lacks the top end speed to be a consistent vertical threat. Dont know much about Stuckey, he may be similar to Ginn, but theres probably a decent reason Ginn was a 1st round pick and Stuckey was a 7th...
That doesn't mean much after a couple of years. Colsten was a 7th round pick and he's better than 3/4 of the receivers that were higher picks then him.
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First off, stop the Holmes comparisons. He was jettisoned because his contract had one year left and he is one strike away from a year suspension. He also is going to miss at least 4 games this year and the guy is a proven nob, even when he was at OSU. The Steelers did the right thing and actually made out pretty well getting a 5th.
I would absolutely give a 5th for Ginn, are you kidding me? I may even consider it with the last of our thirds. This guy has something we don't, and that is big league speed and defensive stretchability. He has also not been in the league long enough to be confirmed a bust. Many receivers take 3 to 4 years to come into their own. His hands have been questionable but he is not Braylons. For the most part he caught the ball pretty well at OSU but he did require some years to learn receiver. This carried over into learning the pro game so he should be far from written off. He is also a dynamic return man.
Ginn for a 5th would be stealing a young veteran that could be coming into his own and is one of the league's fastest players. However, his contract would probably be the main issue holding up any kind of deal. Some of you guys act like this kid is Paul "Glue Hands" Hubbard or something, and he is far from that. Has he lived up to his draft status? Absolutely not and he probably never will. But to act like this guy isn't worth a 5th is ridiculous, most 5th rounders don't even make the team. This is another case where fans totally overrate draft picks over actual players, but that's what you get when the draft is always our best part of the year.
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Also, remember, if we got Ginn, he would be playing in the same town his Dad coaches in, Cleveland, Ohio. For any out of towners that don't know what Ted Ginn Sr. has done for football and the youth of Cleveland, please look it up because it is pretty amazing. His Dad's influence on him here I think would be tremendous for him...would it help him get open and catch passes, hard to say. It might though. And for a 5th round pick, I would do that trade.
Let's put it this way: I don't think you are going to be seeing Ted Ginn Jr. be one of those T.O./Ochocinco prima donna WRs, nor one of those Plaxico/Santonio/Braylon police blotter WRs, not with his Dad around.
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Link to Ted Ginn Sr. foundation:
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The more i think about it he would be a good insurance policy for Robiske if his contract isn't too high.
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Also, remember, if we got Ginn, he would be playing in the same town his Dad coaches in, Cleveland, Ohio. For any out of towners that don't know what Ted Ginn Sr. has done for football and the youth of Cleveland, please look it up because it is pretty amazing. His Dad's influence on him here I think would be tremendous for him...would it help him get open and catch passes, hard to say. It might though. And for a 5th round pick, I would do that trade.
Let's put it this way: I don't think you are going to be seeing Ted Ginn Jr. be one of those T.O./Ochocinco prima donna WRs, nor one of those Plaxico/Santonio/Braylon police blotter WRs, not with his Dad around.
Also, remember, if we got Ginn, he would be playing in the same town his Dad coaches in, Cleveland, Ohio. For any out of towners that don't know what Ted Ginn Sr. has done for football and the youth of Cleveland, please look it up because it is pretty amazing. His Dad's influence on him here I think would be tremendous for him...would it help him get open and catch passes, hard to say. It might though. And for a 5th round pick, I would do that trade.
Let's put it this way: I don't think you are going to be seeing Ted Ginn Jr. be one of those T.O./Ochocinco prima donna WRs, nor one of those Plaxico/Santonio/Braylon police blotter WRs, not with his Dad around.
Ginn's never had any character issues on any level, with or without his dad, who is somewhat debatable on his character himself. If anything, the scrutiny of playing in Cleveland could be a detriment, with all the pressure and affiliations. Either way, dude is a speed demon that was drafted 9th and has shown glimpses while still being very young. He could be a core guy for years and not just some stopgap, so a 5th round pick is a no brainer and I would even use a late 3rd. Travis Wilson was a freaking third round pick, and early too.
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Just for the record, when i stated i think we could draft someone, i was more stating someone earlier versus the proposed 5th round pick we'd send. I think Ginn is more valuable than a 5th round pick. The issue's which would hold things up for me is the amount of money he's making AND the level of talent you could draft -which could be equal- and pay a LOT less.
Of course, as Riffer stated, freaking Travis Wilson was a third, so perhaps it would be smart to take a look at Ginn. He had 50 catches one season did he not?
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We need a guy in the slot that has hands. Ginn has not shown that he can be that guy. I dont know that he would be much of an upgrade over furrey.
Hello, McFly, is anybody home? You ain't putting Ginn in to be your clutch third down "hands" receiver. He is in to be your home run hitter. He is your Jim Thome, not your Omar Vizquel. Yea, he needs to hit a few more homers, and strike out a few less times, but he has something you can't coach: blazing speed. Something the Browns do need.
Hello, McFly, is anybody home? You ain't putting Ginn in to be your clutch third down "hands" receiver. He is in to be your home run hitter. He is your Jim Thome, not your Omar Vizquel. Yea, he needs to hit a few more homers, and strike out a few less times, but he has something you can't coach: blazing speed. Something the Browns do need.
Gips i like you brother but hello mcfly yourself, you havent obviously been reading all the posts that led up to that. I know he is not a slot reciever. Other posts on here before my post were stating that he could come here and be our slot guy. I was stating why he would make a bad slot reciever, Gips im on the same page with ya but hello brother are you home? Thats exactly what i was saying i never said that he would be our slot reciever or make a good slot reciever, come on man. Anyhow we could use some speed at the reciever posistion but not with ginn, we can do a lot better. Ginn doesnt scare anybody. The dolphins didnt even use him as a home run threat last year and they didnt have a great recieving core to begin with. By the end of the year bess, camarillo, and hartline, yes hartline were all playing over him. Now that the phins have marshall too he has become their 5th best reciever. We can do a lot better if we are looking for speed. Speed that can also catch would be nice.
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A 5th would be about the right value for ginn. I wouldnt quite call it a no brainer but i definately wouldnt give up a third for him. A third this year would be dumb! A fourth or a fifth would be about right. He is getting paid top ten money to do absolutely nothing for the phins right now they would unload him for about anything just to get him off their roster. At this point with them getting marshall he probably could be had for even a sixth to a seventh. Id be for giving him a shot trading a 5th rounder for him as long as we did something else at reciever in the draft and werent counting on him to be real productive. But i see what you guys are saying from a hype point coming into the draft three years ago he would be worth possibly using a 5th rounder on to see if he can salvage his career. I dont want to have to count on him doing that. As long as their is a plan A brought in through the draft and Ginn would be our plan B than im fine with taking a chance on him.
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First off, stop the Holmes comparisons. He was jettisoned because his contract had one year left and he is one strike away from a year suspension. He also is going to miss at least 4 games this year and the guy is a proven nob, even when he was at OSU. The Steelers did the right thing and actually made out pretty well getting a 5th.
I would absolutely give a 5th for Ginn, are you kidding me? I may even consider it with the last of our thirds. This guy has something we don't, and that is big league speed and defensive stretchability. He has also not been in the league long enough to be confirmed a bust. Many receivers take 3 to 4 years to come into their own. His hands have been questionable but he is not Braylons. For the most part he caught the ball pretty well at OSU but he did require some years to learn receiver. This carried over into learning the pro game so he should be far from written off. He is also a dynamic return man.
Ginn for a 5th would be stealing a young veteran that could be coming into his own and is one of the league's fastest players. However, his contract would probably be the main issue holding up any kind of deal. Some of you guys act like this kid is Paul "Glue Hands" Hubbard or something, and he is far from that. Has he lived up to his draft status? Absolutely not and he probably never will. But to act like this guy isn't worth a 5th is ridiculous, most 5th rounders don't even make the team. This is another case where fans totally overrate draft picks over actual players, but that's what you get when the draft is always our best part of the year.
This is another case where fans totally overrate draft picks over actual players, but that's what you get when the draft is always our best part of the year.
HAHA, spot on.. yea just look at our late round picks and how many of them are still around or making a difference.. ie "big hitter" Beau Bell, "great receiving tight end" Martin Rucker, Hubbard... a 5th for Ginn would be a steal, hes better than any receiver we have now. but I think that picking one that we really like in the 3rd would be ideal
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