Browns replace field surface

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@bob806 said:
Go home

can't take a joke

The Gipper

Or, maybe they are going to install some kind of Prescription Athletic Turf, or something. Here is a list of the surfaces of every NFL stadium:

Arizona Cardinals Ken Whisenhunt Sun Devil Stadium ('06)w/roll-out grass, retractable roof, and air conditioning. Grass

Atlanta Falcons Mike Smith Georgia Dome ('92) Field Turf

Baltimore Ravens John Harbaugh M&T Bank Stadium ('98) Momentum Turf

Buffalo Bills Chan Gailey Ralph Wilson Stadium ('73) Field Turf

Carolina Panthers John Fox Bank of America Stadium ('96) Grass

Chicago Bears Lovie Smith Soldier Field II ('24,'03) Grass

Cincinnati Bengals Marvin Lewis Paul Brown Stadium ('00) Field Turf

Cleveland Browns Eric Mangini Cleve. Browns Stadium ('99) Grass (heated)

Dallas Cowboys Wade Phillips Cowboy Stadium (2009) Synthetic turf, called Matrix

Denver Broncos Josh McDaniels Invesco Field at Mile High '02 Grass

Detroit Lions Jim Schwartz Ford Field '02 (Dome) Field Turf

Green Bay Packers Mike McCarthy Lambeau Field ('57) renovated for 2003 Grass

Houston Texans Gary Kubiak Reliant Stadium '02 Retractable roof Grass

Indianapolis Colts Jim Caldwell Lucas Oil Stadium '08 Retractable Roof Field Turf

Jacksonville Jaguars Jack Del Rio Alltel Stadium ('46, renov.'95) Grass

Kansas City Chiefs Todd Haley Arrowhead Stadium ('72) Grass

Miami Dolphins Tony Sparano Land Shark Stadium ('87) Grass

Minnesota Vikings Brad Childress Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome ('82) Field Turf

New England Patriots Bill Belichick Gillette Stadium '02 Field Turf

New Orleans Saints Sean Payton Louisiana Superdome ('75) Field Turf

NY Giants Tom Coughlin Giants Stadium ('76) new stadium GSII 2010 Field Turf

NY Jets Rex Ryan Giants Stadium ('84) Field Turf (see above for new stadium)

Oakland Raiders Tom Cable McAfee Coliseum ('66, renov. '96) Grass

Philadelphia Eagles Andy Reid Lincoln Financial Field '03 Grass

Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin Heinz Field ('01) Grass

St. Louis Rams Steve Spagnuolo Edward Jones Dome ('95) Field Turf

San Diego Chargers Norv Turner Qualcom Stadium ('67) Grass

San Francisco 49ers Mike Singletary Candlestick Park ('58)(latest rename Monster Park,

very confusing to keep up with.) Grass

Seattle Seahawks Pete Carroll QWest Field '02 Field Turf

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raheem Morris Raymond James Stadium ('98) Grass

Tennessee Titans Jeff Fisher LP Field ('99) Grass

Washington Redskins Mike Shanahan FedEx Field ('97) Grass

Riffer X

@the-gipper said:
Or, maybe they are going to install some kind of Prescription Athletic Turf, or something. Here is a list of the surfaces of every NFL stadium:
Arizona Cardinals Ken Whisenhunt Sun Devil Stadium ('06)w/roll-out grass, retractable roof, and air conditioning. Grass

Atlanta Falcons Mike Smith Georgia Dome ('92) Field Turf

Baltimore Ravens John Harbaugh M&T Bank Stadium ('98) Momentum Turf

Buffalo Bills Chan Gailey Ralph Wilson Stadium ('73) Field Turf

Carolina Panthers John Fox Bank of America Stadium ('96) Grass

Chicago Bears Lovie Smith Soldier Field II ('24,'03) Grass

Cincinnati Bengals Marvin Lewis Paul Brown Stadium ('00) Field Turf

Cleveland Browns Eric Mangini Cleve. Browns Stadium ('99) Grass (heated)

Dallas Cowboys Wade Phillips Cowboy Stadium (2009) Synthetic turf, called Matrix

Denver Broncos Josh McDaniels Invesco Field at Mile High '02 Grass

Detroit Lions Jim Schwartz Ford Field '02 (Dome) Field Turf

Green Bay Packers Mike McCarthy Lambeau Field ('57) renovated for 2003 Grass

Houston Texans Gary Kubiak Reliant Stadium '02 Retractable roof Grass

Indianapolis Colts Jim Caldwell Lucas Oil Stadium '08 Retractable Roof Field Turf

Jacksonville Jaguars Jack Del Rio Alltel Stadium ('46, renov.'95) Grass

Kansas City Chiefs Todd Haley Arrowhead Stadium ('72) Grass

Miami Dolphins Tony Sparano Land Shark Stadium ('87) Grass

Minnesota Vikings Brad Childress Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome ('82) Field Turf

New England Patriots Bill Belichick Gillette Stadium '02 Field Turf

New Orleans Saints Sean Payton Louisiana Superdome ('75) Field Turf

NY Giants Tom Coughlin Giants Stadium ('76) new stadium GSII 2010 Field Turf

NY Jets Rex Ryan Giants Stadium ('84) Field Turf (see above for new stadium)

Oakland Raiders Tom Cable McAfee Coliseum ('66, renov. '96) Grass

Philadelphia Eagles Andy Reid Lincoln Financial Field '03 Grass

Pittsburgh Steelers Mike Tomlin Heinz Field ('01) Grass

St. Louis Rams Steve Spagnuolo Edward Jones Dome ('95) Field Turf

San Diego Chargers Norv Turner Qualcom Stadium ('67) Grass

San Francisco 49ers Mike Singletary Candlestick Park ('58)(latest rename Monster Park,

very confusing to keep up with.) Grass

Seattle Seahawks Pete Carroll QWest Field '02 Field Turf

Tampa Bay Buccaneers Raheem Morris Raymond James Stadium ('98) Grass

Tennessee Titans Jeff Fisher LP Field ('99) Grass

Washington Redskins Mike Shanahan FedEx Field ('97) Grass

Gipper next time please specify what type of turf it is. Ie. Bermuda grass, Hybrid Kentucky Bluegrass etc. Stop slacking Gipper.

sisky fringo

maybe it's normal maintenance on ours, gets packed too tight or something, or something with the heating units or however it works. or maybe they're just padding it a little so our QB can get us through the season.

the purest in me hopes they stick with grass no matter what, to slow down fast teams and to give everyone badges of honor on their jerseys in general.

actually ideally they'd wear brown and orange jerseys with brown pants reg season and all whites in the playoffs, so whatever. but that's just me. today. who know's how i'll feel tomorrow.

if there's a turf that players and coaches like, that can mimic grass and not have divots, holds together well and maybe even make it a little bit softer to land on without making it spongy...who the hell am i to stand in their way.

The Gipper

@riffer-x said:
Gipper next time please specify what type of turf it is. Ie. Bermuda grass, Hybrid Kentucky Bluegrass etc. Stop slacking Gipper.

In Miami it is ganja, mon.

sisky fringo

why won't the board allow me to use full editor? i want to "strike-through" something.

does this happen to anyone else? i can't cut/paste in it either and it begins you typing before the person you quoted, and you basically have to go back in and edit to post?

choco

Turf should be outlawed...too many acl injuries

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@riffer-x said:
Gipper next time please specify what type of turf it is. Ie. Bermuda grass, Hybrid Kentucky Bluegrass etc. Stop slacking Gipper.

This is a hybrid. It's a cross of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensimillia. The amazing stuff about this is, that you can play 36 holes on it in the afternoon, take it home and just get stoned to the bejeezus-belt that night on this stuff.

Riffer X

@choco said:
Turf should be outlawed...too many acl injuries

Turf actually means grass, but over the years has been shortened from Artificial Turf to just turf, hence people thinking turf means the synthetic stuff.

Riffer X

@sisky-fringo said:
why won't the board allow me to use full editor? i want to "strike-through" something.
does this happen to anyone else? i can't cut/paste in it either and it begins you typing before the person you quoted, and you basically have to go back in and edit to post?

Just try rebooting, you may be having issues with your settings. Shouldn't be any problems, and as far as posting after the quote that is up to you to just place your cursor there and press enter before you start typing.

sisky fringo

@riffer-x said:
Just try rebooting, you may be having issues with your settings. Shouldn't be any problems, and as far as posting after the quote that is up to you to just place your cursor there and press enter before you start typing.

thanks for replying. it's been like this for a while...maybe a couple months. i've just been living with it. even to reply to you now i have to reply blank, and go back in and edit to post.

the cursor is not as simple either--you cannot click on the cursor to move it at all. it's either type there (first thing upper left--even before the

etc) or go back in under quick editor and type then.
it makes a big black cursor if you try to drag it to copy something and you cannot cut/paste or do any of the functions in full edit--it's seriously jacked. i can "quick edit" in order to reply and that's it.

SiperBowl

@ballpeen said:
Synthetic surface in preparation for the dome to be installed next year..

maybe they will be getting that new surface like ohio state has, that makes for a very fast track. can you imagine harrison breaking it open without having to jump over potholes in the middle of the field

The Gipper

@riffer-x said:
Turf actually means grass, but over the years has been shortened from Artificial Turf to just turf, hence people thinking turf means the synthetic stuff.

Note that I don't think that anyone still uses the old "Astroturf" stuff.

I looked up one poll of NFL players which said that the best stadium turfs were: #1 Arizona 2. Tampa

The worst fields were: #1 Pittsburgh #2 Oakland

That is just the field. However, one site, Fanfare rated the stadiums of the NFL played in last year. I will give you the list here, but you have to take their reasoning for these ratings with a complete grain of salt. You will see when I note some of the comments. In fact, I think some complete morons must have been doing these ratings (31 stadiums because of shared Jets/Giants):

31. St. Louis Edward Jones Dome...didn't like domes

30. Atlanta Georgia Dome..didn't like domes

29. Washington FedEx Field

28. New Orleans Superdome..didn't like domes

27. Jacksonville Municipal Stadium

26. Cleveland Browns Stadium....said they rated it low "because it had too much security"??

25. Kansas City Arrowhead

24. Miami Dolphins Stadium

23. Oakland Alameda County Coliseum

22. Buffalo Ralph Wilson Stadium

21. Detroit Ford Field

20. Seattle Qwest

19. Arizona Univ. of Phoenix Stad.

18. San Diego Quallcomm Field

17. Baltimore Ravens Stadium...didn't like it because there wasn't much else to do there but watch the football game.!!??

16. Tennesse Titans Stadium

15. Minnesota Metrodome

14. Philadelphia Lincoln Field

13. Denver New Mile High Stad.

12. Chicago Soldier Field

11. New England Gillete Stadium

10. San Francisco Candlestick Park

9. Carolina Panther stadium

8. Pittsburgh Heinz Field...liked it because the Steelers have sold out a lot of consecutive games!!??

7. Giants Stadium....the old stadium, not the new one opening?

6. Green Bay Lambeau Field

5. Houston Reliant Stadium

4. Tampa Bay Raymond James Stadium

3. Cincinnatti Paul Brown stadium. Liked it because they had on the scoreboard an animated Tiger slashing through their opponents name and people cheered for that!!??

2. Dallas Cowboy Dome....liked it because it was a new dome!!

1. Indianapolis....liked it because it was a new dome!!

Note that they rated some older domes the worst because they didn't like Domes. But they put about the worst dome, the Metrodome about midway on their rankings, and rated the new domes the best because they like new domes!!??

ballpeen

It's all subjective.....CBS is nicer than Titans stadium, and I am not being a homer here....

I still think we needed a dome in Cleveland.

First: It's goofy to sit outside when it is freezing cold.

Second: Outdoors actually diminishes our home field advantage....CBS doesn't hold sound all that well with gaps in the west end.

Third: Outdoors in the cold doesn't give any advantage except to the crappy team. Most players on the team didn't grow up anywhere near Cleveland nor played college ball anywhere near Cleveland. As we get better, outdoors in December will only play against us.

Fourth: We won't even get in to the economic advantages a indoor facility has over a outdoor facility. Some events won't even consider a outdoor facility while VERY few would shun a indoor facility.

With a retractable dome, we could still maintain a natural surface.

We have steam lines installed 2-3 feet below the surface that could melt off any snow by the time the dome was closed on Thursday and the game on Sunday..

Sure, I am southernized, but people are kidding themselves if they say they would rather sit in the wind and 15 degree temperature's over sitting in a 70 degree maintained facility......keep it at 50 if you insist on wearing a sweatshirt....I am good with that as a compromise.

back to my point on equalizing the field.....it helps the underdog more than anyone else.

If you always plan on being a underdog, then yeah, tell me I am crazy.

We need a roof on the stadium IMO....and I know some will disagree, but I have laid out the reality above.

Tim Couch Pulls Out

@ballpeen said:
It's all subjective.....CBS is nicer than Titans stadium, and I am not being a homer here....
I still think we needed a dome in Cleveland.

First: It's goofy to sit outside when it is freezing cold.

Second: Outdoors actually diminishes our home field advantage....CBS doesn't hold sound all that well with gaps in the west end.

Third: Outdoors in the cold doesn't give any advantage except to the crappy team. Most players on the team didn't grow up anywhere near Cleveland nor played college ball anywhere near Cleveland. As we get better, outdoors in December will only play against us.

Fourth: We won't even get in to the economic advantages a indoor facility has over a outdoor facility. Some events won't even consider a outdoor facility while VERY few would shun a indoor facility.

With a retractable dome, we could still maintain a natural surface.

We have steam lines installed 2-3 feet below the surface that could melt off any snow by the time the dome was closed on Thursday and the game on Sunday..

Sure, I am southernized, but people are kidding themselves if they say they would rather sit in the wind and 15 degree temperature's over sitting in a 70 degree maintained facility......keep it at 50 if you insist on wearing a sweatshirt....I am good with that as a compromise.

back to my point on equalizing the field.....it helps the underdog more than anyone else.

If you always plan on being a underdog, then yeah, tell me I am crazy.

We need a roof on the stadium IMO....and I know some will disagree, but I have laid out the reality above.

What we need and what we want are two different things.

That's the reality. Do we need a dome, sure. Do we want a dome, not so much.

The Gipper

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
What we need and what we want are two different things.
That's the reality. Do we need a dome, sure. Do we want a dome, not so much.

It all came down to money, and to a lesser extent, choice. We didn't want the old indoor/astroturf type dome, like the Metrodome or Silverdome, plus the money for that kind of dome wasn't there. And, in 1997-1999 when CBS was being buile the techology for a retractable dome was not yet perfected. (The only one being around was the Skydome in Toronto) Within a few years, yes, they started building retractable domes, like in Detroit, Houston, Seattle, plus in a number of baseball stadiums.

It would have been nice to have had one of those but we were a day late (or early in this case) and a dollar short.

DieHardBrownsFan

@the-gipper said:
Note that I don't think that anyone still uses the old "Astroturf" stuff.
I looked up one poll of NFL players which said that the best stadium turfs were: #1 Arizona 2. Tampa

The worst fields were: #1 Pittsburgh #2 Oakland

That is just the field. However, one site, Fanfare rated the stadiums of the NFL played in last year. I will give you the list here, but you have to take their reasoning for these ratings with a complete grain of salt. You will see when I note some of the comments. In fact, I think some complete morons must have been doing these ratings (31 stadiums because of shared Jets/Giants):

31. St. Louis Edward Jones Dome...didn't like domes

30. Atlanta Georgia Dome..didn't like domes

29. Washington FedEx Field

28. New Orleans Superdome..didn't like domes

27. Jacksonville Municipal Stadium

26. Cleveland Browns Stadium....said they rated it low "because it had too much security"??

25. Kansas City Arrowhead

24. Miami Dolphins Stadium

23. Oakland Alameda County Coliseum

22. Buffalo Ralph Wilson Stadium

21. Detroit Ford Field

20. Seattle Qwest

19. Arizona Univ. of Phoenix Stad.

18. San Diego Quallcomm Field

17. Baltimore Ravens Stadium...didn't like it because there wasn't much else to do there but watch the football game.!!??

16. Tennesse Titans Stadium

15. Minnesota Metrodome

14. Philadelphia Lincoln Field

13. Denver New Mile High Stad.

12. Chicago Soldier Field

11. New England Gillete Stadium

10. San Francisco Candlestick Park

9. Carolina Panther stadium

8. Pittsburgh Heinz Field...liked it because the Steelers have sold out a lot of consecutive games!!??

7. Giants Stadium....the old stadium, not the new one opening?

6. Green Bay Lambeau Field

5. Houston Reliant Stadium

4. Tampa Bay Raymond James Stadium

3. Cincinnatti Paul Brown stadium. Liked it because they had on the scoreboard an animated Tiger slashing through their opponents name and people cheered for that!!??

2. Dallas Cowboy Dome....liked it because it was a new dome!!

1. Indianapolis....liked it because it was a new dome!!

Note that they rated some older domes the worst because they didn't like Domes. But they put about the worst dome, the Metrodome about midway on their rankings, and rated the new domes the best because they like new domes!!??

I don't care for Cleveland Browns Stadium. I prefer the old stadium. It had character. History. This stadium was done cheaply as possible. Remember at first it didn't even have escalators. It could have been a great stadium if they had forked over more money and done it right. But they did it cheap, and you get what you pay for.

The Gipper

@diehardbrownsfan said:
I don't care for Cleveland Browns Stadium. I prefer the old stadium. It had character. History. This stadium was done cheaply as possible. Remember at first it didn't even have escalators. It could have been a great stadium if they had forked over more money and done it right. But they did it cheap, and you get what you pay for.

Remember, they were under the gun because of the 1999 deadline, plus recall it was built with money merely from an extension of the sin tax....so there wasn't an exhorbitant amount of money available for its construction. I suspect they did about as well as they could with what they had...but to rate a stadium down because of "too much security" or to rate it up because of some cartoon that comes on the scoreboard seems ludicrous..

Speedyd900rr

@the-gipper said:
Remember, they were under the gun because of the 1999 deadline, plus recall it was built with money merely from an extension of the sin tax....so there wasn't an exhorbitant amount of money available for its construction. I suspect they did about as well as they could with what they had...but to rate a stadium down because of "too much security" or to rate it up because of some cartoon that comes on the scoreboard seems ludicrous..

They couldn't find anything bad to say so they picked that to drop us down. Lord know's we cant have Cleveland at the top of any list. They even rate one stadium low for the same reason they rate other's high. It doesn't make sense. It's like they had a different person go to every stadium and write about it while trying to play it off like the same person went to each one.

ballpeen

For the record, I like our stadium, even if they forgot to put a roof on the place.

The sight lines are good and the traffic flows well except for the stairwells.

Concession lines can bog down, but it is that way at any stadium.

I do wish they had more taps with Dortmunder...there aren't any close to my section anyway.

I guess for the impossible wish...I wish when they designed these things they allowed even another 4 inches of leg room...there isn't a lot of room to maneuver around....especially if you have big winter boots on...which is about half the season since they forgot the roof.....OK...I am repeating myself.