Rare, But Important Demonstration of Intestinal Fortitude
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John, do you believe in the story of Mormonism? That God and Christ appeared to a teenage Joseph Smith in upstate New York in the 1820s, and eventually two angels gave Smith the golden tablets that he would later translate into the Book of Mormon?
Do you buy that?
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John, do you believe in the story of Mormonism? That God and Christ appeared to a teenage Joseph Smith in upstate New York in the 1820s, and eventually two angels gave Smith the golden tablets that he would later translate into the Book of Mormon?
Do you buy that?
John, do you believe in the story of Mormonism? That God and Christ appeared to a teenage Joseph Smith in upstate New York in the 1820s, and eventually two angels gave Smith the golden tablets that he would later translate into the Book of Mormon?
Do you buy that?
So your point is to select a story and to try to paint me into a corner by answering one way or another.
There are many sects and many groups within Christianity. To cut through all the 'noise' certain groups like to create, I like to go to the source: the Bible.
I know that it is a compilation of stories over the course of many years. I believe it is sacred and was inspired by the work and will of God.
I don't know enough about the Book of Mormon - I have not studied it. However, why study it when the actual word of God is already available.
That's my faith and that's my belief, Heck. Why does it bother you?
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It's a book full of holes and contradictions, and was written by humans. There is a bunch of evidence that shows one part is not compatible with another. I'd encourage you to read Bart Ehrman's Jesus Interrupted or Misquoting Jesus to give you an idea of how skewed the Bible could possibly be. To hold it above error and as divinely inspired is an ignorant point of view. I'm not attacking you with that statement, but this is what is studied in seminaries, yet the knowledge is ignored by the priests in their sermons.
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I might have to read that book one day. Like I have time to read the 5 books I have on my "to read" shelf...
since I just had my knee scoped today, maybe I'll read in the morning for a few hours...
but saying "it's full of holes" makes me figure, that the only holes I know of, is the translation problems
from the original Hebrew and Greek languages, into English.
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Cal, the oldest gospel was written ~60 years after Jesus' death. That means that the story was passed orally for ~3 generations before it was actually written down. The other gospels were written from 40-80 years after that, and they each tell the story quite differently. There are thousands of ancient books that weren't accepted into the church Canon (like the other book of revelation that Dante's Divine Comedy is based on or one by Mary Magdalene). Why? You'd be surprised at how much of it was decided by politics and people with an agenda. The translation errors may be there on top of all of this. Many of the beliefs in the gospels are contradicted by Paul's letters. Christianity, as it exists, speaks more for Paul than it does for Jesus, IMO. But to say that you get your faith from the book means nothing to me unless you've actually read and studied what you claim to base your beliefs on.
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Actually, I get my faith from experiences and observations in my life, in the world, and about the world. @@
I got an education about God and His Son and the world from the Bible.
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...err that was an edit... Last sentence was meant for John.
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Cal, the oldest gospel was written ~60 years after Jesus' death. That means that the story was passed orally for ~3 generations before it was actually written down. The other gospels were written from 40-80 years after that, and they each tell the story quite differently. There are thousands of ancient books that weren't accepted into the church Canon (like the other book of revelation that Dante's Divine Comedy is based on or one by Mary Magdalene). Why? You'd be surprised at how much of it was decided by politics and people with an agenda. The translation errors may be there on top of all of this. Many of the beliefs in the gospels are contradicted by Paul's letters. Christianity, as it exists, speaks more for Paul than it does for Jesus, IMO. But to say that you get your faith from the book means nothing to me unless you've actually read and studied what you claim to base your beliefs on.
Cal, the oldest gospel was written ~60 years after Jesus' death. That means that the story was passed orally for ~3 generations before it was actually written down. The other gospels were written from 40-80 years after that, and they each tell the story quite differently. There are thousands of ancient books that weren't accepted into the church Canon (like the other book of revelation that Dante's Divine Comedy is based on or one by Mary Magdalene). Why? You'd be surprised at how much of it was decided by politics and people with an agenda. The translation errors may be there on top of all of this. Many of the beliefs in the gospels are contradicted by Paul's letters. Christianity, as it exists, speaks more for Paul than it does for Jesus, IMO. But to say that you get your faith from the book means nothing to me unless you've actually read and studied what you claim to base your beliefs on.
Well, I have read it several times, Vapor, and I do base my beliefs on it.
Live with it.
I stated that 'You can still post here" as a lighthearted way to put this endless conversation to rest.
Some folks should take a hint.
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Seperation of church and state is a pretty big issue for me...... however I have attended my childrens play at church's. The facilities were more appropriate and frankly the building was beautiful.
IF there was not any messaging from the church and the facilities were being rented than who cares..... IF the church was strictly just a facility and it seems to be in this case.
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Well, I have read it several times, Vapor, and I do base my beliefs on it.
Live with it.
Well, I just wanted to point out how fallible that book is. I'd enjoy discussing this, but you seem to want to cover your ears and ignore what I have to say. How then do you decide what in the book to base your beliefs on? Surely, it isn't all of it.
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Well, I have read it several times, Vapor, and I do base my beliefs on it.
Live with it.
Well, I just wanted to point out how fallible that book is. I'd enjoy discussing this, but you seem to want to cover your ears and ignore what I have to say. How then do you decide what in the book to base your beliefs on? Surely, it isn't all of it.
Well, I just wanted to point out how fallible that book is. I'd enjoy discussing this, but you seem to want to cover your ears and ignore what I have to say. How then do you decide what in the book to base your beliefs on? Surely, it isn't all of it.
vapor your going down a predetermined trail with predetermined responses....... it will be better just to agree to disagree on that topic.....
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or we could discuss it.
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Vapor you cant use logic or ask people to apply logic to something by its very nature illogical.
The "bible" most of them dont even know what it really is. Its funny how geocentric or even culturally offensive that religion is to other societies and the applied ramifications to other cultures and peoples who were never exposed to that eclectic set of stories literally copied from other religions.
They can not discuss or debate from a historic sense anything about their religion because it would invalidate their very beliefs.
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I don't have a problem with that.
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I guess we could discuss that there is no good or evil, right or wrong.
But that'd mean you guys couldn't spend all day bitching about how evil republicans are......
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Isn't that Cal's deal with Obama?
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Isn't that Cal's deal with Obama?
Isn't that Cal's deal with Obama?
Well yeah Vape!
But Cal believes in universal good and evil.
WSS
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I guess we could discuss that there is no good or evil, right or wrong.
But that'd mean you guys couldn't spend all day bitching about how evil republicans are......
WSS
I guess we could discuss that there is no good or evil, right or wrong.
But that'd mean you guys couldn't spend all day bitching about how evil republicans are......
WSS
the Republican Party is NOT evil..... The Radical Evangelical/Neocon right and old gaurd 45+ southern/rural white demographic IS not the Whole Republican party. They just happen to be the loudest..... however they seem to be morphing into their own party right now anyways.
The Republicans screaming about deficits but also want to keep lowering taxes........ Now they are laughable o yea and they want to keep Social security and medicare.
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Vapor, I'm not sure what question you're asking. Is it merely how a book of ideas filled with contradiction can inspire?
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I guess we could discuss that there is no good or evil, right or wrong.
But that'd mean you guys couldn't spend all day bitching about how evil republicans are......
WSS
the Republican Party is NOT evil..... The Radical Evangelical/Neocon right and old gaurd 45+ southern/rural white demographic IS not the Whole Republican party. They just happen to be the loudest..... however they seem to be morphing into their own party right now anyways.
The Republicans screaming about deficits but also want to keep lowering taxes........ Now they are laughable o yea and they want to keep Social security and medicare.
the Republican Party is NOT evil..... The Radical Evangelical/Neocon right and old gaurd 45+ southern/rural white demographic IS not the Whole Republican party. They just happen to be the loudest..... however they seem to be morphing into their own party right now anyways.
The Republicans screaming about deficits but also want to keep lowering taxes........ Now they are laughable o yea and they want to keep Social security and medicare.
Gee sorry Sev.
I guess I should have said without any concept of good and evil you'd have to quit bitching about evil old southern Christian white people.
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WSS
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