Roger Goodell defends his decision to suspend Ben Roethlisberger
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Best I can tell, cromartie is still under investigation...so presuming he won't face discipline is premature. Take it a step farther....reed supposedly assaulted a po. He's a known drunk as well who constantly is in the papers.
Why is he still playing?
Best I can tell, cromartie is still under investigation...so presuming he won't face discipline is premature. Take it a step farther....reed supposedly assaulted a po. He's a known drunk as well who constantly is in the papers.
Why is he still playing?
Becuase Goodell is a hypocite who never punsihes players fairly. I honestly don't know how owners, coaches and players especially can respect his rediculously obvious hypocrisy.
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Best I can tell, cromartie is still under investigation...so presuming he won't face discipline is premature. Take it a step farther....reed supposedly assaulted a po. He's a known drunk as well who constantly is in the papers.
Why is he still playing?
Best I can tell, cromartie is still under investigation...so presuming he won't face discipline is premature.
EXACTLY! that was my understanding, that cromartie was still under investigation. plus, how can anyone compare his situation to ben's? cromartie didn't rape women and get them pregnant. i'm not saying what cromartie is doing is right, because it isn't. all i'm saying is that his situation is totally different than ben's and is probably still under investiagtion.
why the hell is a steeler fan asking us these questions and filing their complaints to us lol. go holla at goodell, he's the one who made the call on ben.
btw, i'm glad bitchburgh finally got hit in the mouth. it's about time those spoiled brats get the red carpet pulled out from under them!!!
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http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPol...mp;pollId=89688
look at PA
49% of pa. thinks it's a fair penalty, 26% think it's not enough of a penalty and 25% thinks it's too harsh of a penalty (7,023 votes).
52% of america thinks it's a fair penalty, 27% think it's not enough of a penalty and 21% think it's too harsh of a penalty (109,215 votes).
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Best I can tell, cromartie is still under investigation...so presuming he won't face discipline is premature.
EXACTLY! that was my understanding, that cromartie was still under investigation. plus, how can anyone compare his situation to ben's? cromartie didn't rape women and get them pregnant. i'm not saying what cromartie is doing is right, because it isn't. all i'm saying is that his situation is totally different than ben's and is probably still under investiagtion.
why the hell is a steeler fan asking us these questions and filing their complaints to us lol. go holla at goodell, he's the one who made the call on ben.
btw, i'm glad bitchburgh finally got hit in the mouth. it's about time those spoiled brats get the red carpet pulled out from under them!!!
EXACTLY! that was my understanding, that cromartie was still under investigation. plus, how can anyone compare his situation to ben's? cromartie didn't rape women and get them pregnant. i'm not saying what cromartie is doing is right, because it isn't. all i'm saying is that his situation is totally different than ben's and is probably still under investiagtion.
why the hell is a steeler fan asking us these questions and filing their complaints to us lol. go holla at goodell, he's the one who made the call on ben.
btw, i'm glad bitchburgh finally got hit in the mouth. it's about time those spoiled brats get the red carpet pulled out from under them!!!
The situation is a bit different, but look at my thread on this issue. Look at the two quotes of Goodell talking about behavior and personal responsiblity. Cromartie's action certianly fall under Goodell's statements. Why doesn't he punish accordingly?
The atleast 6 kids in 4 years and refusal to pay child support is clear cut, not under investigation. At the very least, Goodell could meet with him and maybe suggest counseling. Instead, Goodell lets the Jets pay his child support.
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and the spoiled brat pittsburgh boys continue their ongoing hissy fit while running around like a black and yellow chicken with it's head cut off!!
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after years of the nfl sucking the dick of the stools, you're bitching about unfair treatment?
Cry me a river....it about time. Go whine to someone who gives a rats ass
Well, atleast your admitting it's unfair...But the point of my thread is the message it send to the rest of the league - impregnate all the women you want and only pay child supposed if your team specifically gives you the money you owe.... The two statements Goodell made that I posted I agree with 100%. I just wish Goodell wouldn't pick and choose you has to follow his standards - every player should.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Well, atleast your admitting it's unfair...But the point of my thread is the message it send to the rest of the league - impregnate all the women you want and only pay child supposed if your team specifically gives you the money you owe.... The two statements Goodell made that I posted I agree with 100%. I just wish Goodell wouldn't pick and choose you has to follow his standards - every player should.Because having bad debt and reneging on court ordered payments is not part of the Player Conduct Policy. The policy isn't about not fathering children with women who you are currently/previously engaged in a relationship. Secondly, in many states, the child-support laws are ludicrous when considering how much the father has to pay in. Especially if the woman was "used to a particular lifestyle" that father has to continue to support that lifestyle even if he later starts earning significantly less money.
The issue is not the same, not even close to the same, as supporting underage drinking and/or fathering children irresponsibly.
As for the assault with a weapon while drunk. If memory serves, he did get suspended for that.
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As opposed to giving him a slap on the wrist and lettong everyone know that abusong amd taking advantage of drunk college students is ok?
Hardly unfair....cromartie did something stupid while drunk and angry. Ben, on the other, repeatedly made the calculated decision to use his entourage to run cover while he bangs drunk chicks in a public bathroom.
Why am I not surprised you don't understand the difference. ...
I'm not disagreeing with the 6 game suspension of Ben. I agree with Goodell's statement and a 6 game suspension sends a strong message....
The problem is no charges were filed in either case, but both did dumb (but legal things) while drunk at a bar. How could Ben make a "calculated decison" while drunk?
Certianly, Cromartie violated the rules according to both of Goodell's statements. If he violated the rules, why hasn't he been punished?
Sivlerback DPOY said:
... but both did dumb (but legal things) while drunk at a bar.You are assuming that what he did was legal simply because the prosecutor said he could not prosecute. While the legal requirement is to prove guilt, not innocence, don't use that as a platform to claim that what Ben did was legal.
That is something that the vast majority of us will not know for certain one way or another, but my two pence is that his activity was illegal, it just didn't satisfy the burden of proof.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14043-p...-james-harrison
the list goes on with steeler players getting away with shit. you cite one other player and claim conspiracy. how many women need to fall to angry/stupid steelers before suspension is ok in your eyes?
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
... but both did dumb (but legal things) while drunk at a bar.You are assuming that what he did was legal simply because the prosecutor said he could not prosecute. While the legal requirement is to prove guilt, not innocence, don't use that as a platform to claim that what Ben did was legal.
That is something that the vast majority of us will not know for certain one way or another, but my two pence is that his activity was illegal, it just didn't satisfy the burden of proof.
You are assuming that what he did was legal simply because the prosecutor said he could not prosecute. While the legal requirement is to prove guilt, not innocence, don't use that as a platform to claim that what Ben did was legal.
That is something that the vast majority of us will not know for certain one way or another, but my two pence is that his activity was illegal, it just didn't satisfy the burden of proof.
If I can't use the court of law to see if someone has committed a crime, what do I use? You need proof to convict someone. You need reasonable evidence to charge someone. If a police investigation can't find reasonable evidence, most likely reasonable evidence doesn't exsist. If reasonable evidence doesn't exsist I will assume that person is innocent...But that's just me, you can call whoever you want guilty of any crime.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
Sivlerback DPOY said:
Well, atleast your admitting it's unfair...But the point of my thread is the message it send to the rest of the league - impregnate all the women you want and only pay child supposed if your team specifically gives you the money you owe.... The two statements Goodell made that I posted I agree with 100%. I just wish Goodell wouldn't pick and choose you has to follow his standards - every player should.Because having bad debt and reneging on court ordered payments is not part of the Player Conduct Policy. The policy isn't about not fathering children with women who you are currently/previously engaged in a relationship. Secondly, in many states, the child-support laws are ludicrous when considering how much the father has to pay in. Especially if the woman was "used to a particular lifestyle" that father has to continue to support that lifestyle even if he later starts earning significantly less money.
The issue is not the same, not even close to the same, as supporting underage drinking and/or fathering children irresponsibly.
As for the assault with a weapon while drunk. If memory serves, he did get suspended for that.
Because having bad debt and reneging on court ordered payments is not part of the Player Conduct Policy. The policy isn't about not fathering children with women who you are currently/previously engaged in a relationship. Secondly, in many states, the child-support laws are ludicrous when considering how much the father has to pay in. Especially if the woman was "used to a particular lifestyle" that father has to continue to support that lifestyle even if he later starts earning significantly less money.
The issue is not the same, not even close to the same, as supporting underage drinking and/or fathering children irresponsibly.
As for the assault with a weapon while drunk. If memory serves, he did get suspended for that.
I belive raising/supporting your child is personal conduct you are legally obligated to provide for your own children, unless you put them up for adoption. Wether or not unfair or rediculous laws come into play, Cromartie must follow them since he put himself into a situation where child support comes into play.......(remember how Browns fans from this board made the claim Ben should be suspended even if he is not gulity simply for putting himself in this situation?)
"The Personal Conduct Policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that 'undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.' By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard."
"“Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare"
I guess Goodell doesn't believe Cromartie's actions fall under these two quotes he made to Ben.
Now that the Commissioner has opened this can of worms -- where he is the arbitor of when a player 'needs effective intervention' because of embarrassing-but-not-criminal behavior, he must be consistent in his application of the wildly expanded personal conduct policy by suspending jokers like Antonio Cromartie, whose conduct clearly not only undermines the integrity and reputation of NFL players, but also undermines the integrity of human males.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14043-p...-james-harrison
the list goes on with steeler players getting away with shit. you cite one other player and claim conspiracy. how many women need to fall to angry/stupid steelers before suspension is ok in your eyes?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/14043-p...-james-harrison
the list goes on with steeler players getting away with shit. you cite one other player and claim conspiracy. how many women need to fall to angry/stupid steelers before suspension is ok in your eyes?
According to the court of law, James Harrison has never been convicted of assult.
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
You are assuming that what he did was legal simply because the prosecutor said he could not prosecute. While the legal requirement is to prove guilt, not innocence, don't use that as a platform to claim that what Ben did was legal.
That is something that the vast majority of us will not know for certain one way or another, but my two pence is that his activity was illegal, it just didn't satisfy the burden of proof.
If I can't use the court of law to see if someone has committed a crime, what do I use? You need proof to convict someone. You need reasonable evidence to charge someone. If a police investigation can't find reasonable evidence, most likely reasonable evidence doesn't exsist. If reasonable evidence doesn't exsist I will assume that person is innocent...But that's just me, you can call whoever you want guilty of any crime.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
If I can't use the court of law to see if someone has committed a crime, what do I use? You need proof to convict someone. You need reasonable evidence to charge someone. If a police investigation can't find reasonable evidence, most likely reasonable evidence doesn't exsist. If reasonable evidence doesn't exsist I will assume that person is innocent...But that's just me, you can call whoever you want guilty of any crime.Millions of people do illegal things every day, and they aren't charged, arrested, questioned, or what have you. Just because they aren't prosecuted, does not mean that they are not guilty of their crime.
You can certainly use the legal argument if you wish. That is your prerogative. However, whether he knew about it or not, everyone knows he is at the very least guilty of providing alcohol to an underage drinker.
Why is it, that of all the thousands of professional athletes (not just football players) who make millions of dollars, you can't find another single story quite like this? Perhaps because he IS guilty and just got off on a technicality?
Lets not be stupid because of homerism here.
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Because having bad debt and reneging on court ordered payments is not part of the Player Conduct Policy. The policy isn't about not fathering children with women who you are currently/previously engaged in a relationship. Secondly, in many states, the child-support laws are ludicrous when considering how much the father has to pay in. Especially if the woman was "used to a particular lifestyle" that father has to continue to support that lifestyle even if he later starts earning significantly less money.
The issue is not the same, not even close to the same, as supporting underage drinking and/or fathering children irresponsibly.
As for the assault with a weapon while drunk. If memory serves, he did get suspended for that.
I belive raising/supporting your child is personal conduct you are legally obligated to provide for your own children, unless you put them up for adoption. Wether or not unfair or rediculous laws come into play, Cromartie must follow them since he put himself into a situation where child support comes into play.......(remember how Browns fans from this board made the claim Ben should be suspended even if he is not gulity simply for putting himself in this situation?)
"The Personal Conduct Policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that 'undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.' By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard."
"“Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare"
I guess Goodell doesn't believe Cromartie's actions fall under these two quotes he made to Ben.
Now that the Commissioner has opened this can of worms -- where he is the arbitor of when a player 'needs effective intervention' because of embarrassing-but-not-criminal behavior, he must be consistent in his application of the wildly expanded personal conduct policy by suspending jokers like Antonio Cromartie, whose conduct clearly not only undermines the integrity and reputation of NFL players, but also undermines the integrity of human males.
Sivlerback DPOY said:
I belive raising/supporting your child is personal conduct you are legally obligated to provide for your own children, unless you put them up for adoption. Wether or not unfair or rediculous laws come into play, Cromartie must follow them since he put himself into a situation where child support comes into play.......(remember how Browns fans from this board made the claim Ben should be suspended even if he is not gulity simply for putting himself in this situation?)"The Personal Conduct Policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that 'undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.' By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard."
"“Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare"
I guess Goodell doesn't believe Cromartie's actions fall under these two quotes he made to Ben.
I'm not sure you can put the two situations under a microscope and come away with the same organism.
While it is reprehensible to not take responsibility for your actions, when said action results in a child, it may be that as things started adding up for Cromartie, he got in way over his head and couldn't handle it. The fact that he has made restitution, whether his team gave him the money or not, shows he's willing to try and account for his actions. But also consider, that welshing on child support is not the same kind of conduct as say, beating your child to death or raping a woman.
Lets get some perspective here.
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You STFU. eastside clevelander.
hey toolbag...
first, no one was talking to you...mostly because you dont have th ecapacity to understand 4 letter words.
and second, i grew up an hour from pitt, and currently live outside this miserable city. so roll off your sister long enough to remove your head from your ass and listen to what the xxxx im telling you.
i swear half this population here is missing a chromosome.
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Sivlerback DPOY said:
I belive raising/supporting your child is personal conduct you are legally obligated to provide for your own children, unless you put them up for adoption. Wether or not unfair or rediculous laws come into play, Cromartie must follow them since he put himself into a situation where child support comes into play.......(remember how Browns fans from this board made the claim Ben should be suspended even if he is not gulity simply for putting himself in this situation?)"The Personal Conduct Policy also states that discipline is appropriate for conduct that 'undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players.' By any measure, your conduct satisfies that standard."
"“Your conduct raises sufficient concerns that I believe effective intervention now is the best step for your personal and professional welfare"
I guess Goodell doesn't believe Cromartie's actions fall under these two quotes he made to Ben.
I'm not sure you can put the two situations under a microscope and come away with the same organism.
While it is reprehensible to not take responsibility for your actions, when said action results in a child, it may be that as things started adding up for Cromartie, he got in way over his head and couldn't handle it. The fact that he has made restitution, whether his team gave him the money or not, shows he's willing to try and account for his actions. But also consider, that welshing on child support is not the same kind of conduct as say, beating your child to death or raping a woman.
Lets get some perspective here.
I'm not sure you can put the two situations under a microscope and come away with the same organism.
While it is reprehensible to not take responsibility for your actions, when said action results in a child, it may be that as things started adding up for Cromartie, he got in way over his head and couldn't handle it. The fact that he has made restitution, whether his team gave him the money or not, shows he's willing to try and account for his actions. But also consider, that welshing on child support is not the same kind of conduct as say, beating your child to death or raping a woman.
Lets get some perspective here.
Goodell made it clear your conduct is punishable even if your conduct is criminal - like beating a child to death or raping a woman. Browns fans seem to like that concept that Ben gets punished even though is is innocent in the court of law, but when the same philosphy needs to be fairly applied to all players, I get objections. It's not okay to refuse to pay court ordered child support - Goodell needs to let Cromartie and all the other players know that by holding them to a "higher standard". Cromartie is a repeat offender when it comes to lack of personal responsiblity, Goodell needs to hold him to a "higher standard".
"Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil" - Niccolo Machiavelli "Expectation is the root of all heartache." - William Shakespeare "In time we hate that which we often fear. " - William Shakespeare "I DO ROIDS ... and GIVE HEAD" - ATENEARS http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16312 http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06166/698372-66.stm Friday said, "posters on Internet message boards hide behind their keyboards and write things they would never have the courage to say aloud in public. He said posters who write tasteless messages use football and the rivalries between teams as a way of getting out their aggression in a non-violent manner." Predicted 2010 Steelers record from this board: 7-9; 6-10; 8-8; 9-7; 10-6 -
You STFU. eastside clevelander.
hey toolbag...
first, no one was talking to you...mostly because you dont have th ecapacity to understand 4 letter words.
and second, i grew up an hour from pitt, and currently live outside this miserable city. so roll off your sister long enough to remove your head from your ass and listen to what the xxxx im telling you.
i swear half this population here is missing a chromosome.
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