Rothlicksbooger wasn't liked by 60% of the steeler team
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They may have an agenda but he keeps allowing it to happen. You have no right to be foul-mouthed about it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.
Rorbotron said:
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.My wife works in college health. Trust me when I say I know exactly what you're talking about. As much as he was targeted, he also forced the issue. Perhaps he was set up but the point is that this isn't the first time he's found himself in this situation and it's not the first woman who's brought these types of allegations. The daughter argument is irrelevant; you're right. He's been an asshole in his own right (and my having a daughter doesn't change that). This guy has a lot of growing up to do and a lot of responsibility to assume. You have to have your locker room's support. If Ben is this selfish (and I have no problem believing that he is) then his stay in the Burgh won't be for much longer because Tomlin and the Rooneys won't put up with his crap. Reading the affadavits, it's entirely clear that he has no respect for women (whether they deserve it or not).
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Rorbotron said:
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.My wife works in college health. Trust me when I say I know exactly what you're talking about. As much as he was targeted, he also forced the issue. Perhaps he was set up but the point is that this isn't the first time he's found himself in this situation and it's not the first woman who's brought these types of allegations. The daughter argument is irrelevant; you're right. He's been an asshole in his own right (and my having a daughter doesn't change that). This guy has a lot of growing up to do and a lot of responsibility to assume. You have to have your locker room's support. If Ben is this selfish (and I have no problem believing that he is) then his stay in the Burgh won't be for much longer because Tomlin and the Rooneys won't put up with his crap. Reading the affadavits, it's entirely clear that he has no respect for women (whether they deserve it or not).
My wife works in college health. Trust me when I say I know exactly what you're talking about. As much as he was targeted, he also forced the issue. Perhaps he was set up but the point is that this isn't the first time he's found himself in this situation and it's not the first woman who's brought these types of allegations. The daughter argument is irrelevant; you're right. He's been an asshole in his own right (and my having a daughter doesn't change that). This guy has a lot of growing up to do and a lot of responsibility to assume. You have to have your locker room's support. If Ben is this selfish (and I have no problem believing that he is) then his stay in the Burgh won't be for much longer because Tomlin and the Rooneys won't put up with his crap. Reading the affadavits, it's entirely clear that he has no respect for women (whether they deserve it or not).
I just hope it all changes and I think it will, if it doesn't the Steelers will cut him without hesitation. I agree with everything you said by the way. A lot of people in Pittsburgh do.
EDIT: ANd I don't believe the "divided locker room" scenario is a factor any longer. He said a while ago that he was a bad teammate and I believe he's worked hard over the last few years to change that...the stuff popping up involving Porter and Davenport is obviously old.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Looks like Big Bens crumblin down, gotta love it!!
he'll be booed by his own fans next year, I hope his suspension is only 4 games so we can beat his ass
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PS. Why our so many stoohler fan on our board?, its a disgrace. I dont care if some of them are nice. They are steeler fans!!
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ads-on-big-ben/
Once again this isn't news. I imagine the current situation will bring him full circle.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
Cant Imagine why it matters so much to YOU .I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
I'll tell you why it matters Einstein.
It matters because I'm the father of a nine year-old girl who couldn't imagine some self-adoring, drunken, multi-millionaire trying to ply her and her college friends with alcohol so that he could score with her. It's not that simple though because rape isn't about sex. It's a power-crime. The problem with this guy is that he doesn't value women as people. He sees them as objects. He puts himself into these situations because he WANTS to.
That's why it matters to me....much like being on a Browns' board matters so much to YOU.
I am the Father of TWO teenaged Girls. I raise them to stay the Hell outta clubs and tell them to Do stuff that you wouldnt mind doing If God himself as standing next to you. Ben Roethlisberger is a Product of our culture. And is FAR from alone.... while NOT a Rapist he is lurking to "get some" ..hmmm.. Thank you Mr. Heffner and those who treat women as objects Yet are Lauded by society. The Freaking HS your Daughter will go to and My Daughters HS has guys like Ben. Trained up by our culture to "Satisfy" thier every whim. And yes let go over WHY Steeler fans frequent your board AGAIN. Stop obsessing with ALL Things Steeler and we will lose interest. Its really that simple.
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They may have an agenda but he keeps allowing it to happen. You have no right to be foul-mouthed about it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.
Rorbotron said:
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.I wish to hell that slut culture had been around when I was in college. I mean, excuse me but are you really trying to play the "aggressively sexual female" card as an excuse for BR? Maybe he should have stayed home and away from all those predatory females.
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Rorbotron said:
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.I wish to hell that slut culture had been around when I was in college. I mean, excuse me but are you really trying to play the "aggressively sexual female" card as an excuse for BR? Maybe he should have stayed home and away from all those predatory females.
I wish to hell that slut culture had been around when I was in college. I mean, excuse me but are you really trying to play the "aggressively sexual female" card as an excuse for BR? Maybe he should have stayed home and away from all those predatory females.
Did I say it was exclusive to Big Ben? I encountered it plenty and if you actually READ my post that point was pretty clear. I could have gotten in to A LOT of trouble in college because of the "slut culture" that was abundant. I guess at the same time I was/am a jock, in great shape, dressed well and like to think I'm not an asshole so the "sluts" certainly aren't available to everyone. BIg Ben was/is most definitely a target and one that was willing to participate and his willingness is the very reason he's now in trouble. He'll turn it around.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
You have to remember that Big Ben is 28 year old, and is an adult. And this is a guy who is supposed to be a role model. He goes into bars and gets girls drunk. Think about it. Who wouldn't want their daughter around this guy?
He's been given a chance to change and I think he will. I agree 100% on him being a dog in this regard. He tried to pick up my sister two years ago. She told him "she wasn't interested in being a part of the meat market".
He'll come full circle, I whole heartedly believe that and once again Sorry earl for cussing you out.
Rorbotron said:
He's been given a chance to change and I think he will. I agree 100% on him being a dog in this regard. He tried to pick up my sister two years ago. She told him "she wasn't interested in being a part of the meat market".He'll come full circle, I whole heartedly believe that and once again Sorry earl for cussing you out.
Ben Roethlisberger is a Guy who grew up as a teen , going to his "Youth Group" , going to Sunday Services with his Parents. He became a Star... Got drafted ...became a Bigger Star ... Won a couple SBs and became a Bigger Yet Star. All the while fading away from the Values he grew up with. Money and Fame ... poisoned him . Add to that a Single Guy with Hot young ladies offering it up ... Yikes. Add the liquid Spirits ( Thank you Jamie Foxx and others nice message to the Youth of America "Blame it on the Al..al..al..al..al...Alchohol" SO Very responsible of You) Its all a recipe for SIN and Sickness. And WHO hasnt , doesnt struggle with the Vices of life.
The bottom line is Ben can Change... now its up to him . But hes no worse than Many guys posting here now , many in accusatory fashion. Its hard to live right and the More $$$$$ and Fame you have , the tougher it is. Time to step up and live right.
well The Guy has Raped nobody or he would be LOCKED up. Thats bottom line. The World watched this ... the Georgia Authorities were not gonna screw this up. It time for Ben to Stand up and be the person he was raised to be. And Who in here didnt improve as a person , between the ages of 28 and 32 ?? I Know I did. Lets see what happens. I am sure you guys are too bitter to listen to reason ...but here we go anyways.
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Rorbotron said:
I apologize for my final declaration. I shouldn't have told you to STFU but I'm more than tired of the "daughter" argument. It's a argument that CANNOT be made unless of course you choose to be naive to the "slut culture" that runs rampant through EVERY college in the United States. I went to a catholic school my freshman year. I was on a sports scholarship and even at the "blessed" catholic school girls were throwing themselves all over the place. I could have gotten myself in to A LOT of trouble but I've always been a relationship guy and not the "one night stand" type. Thankfully by not being a total "jiggalo" I ended up with a fantastic gf that I'm still with to this day. Had I decided to be a dog she may not have given me the time of day. Girls are ridiculously aggressive these days, especially when alcohol is involved. The situation that got Ben suspended is no different. Trust me.I wish to hell that slut culture had been around when I was in college. I mean, excuse me but are you really trying to play the "aggressively sexual female" card as an excuse for BR? Maybe he should have stayed home and away from all those predatory females.
I wish to hell that slut culture had been around when I was in college. I mean, excuse me but are you really trying to play the "aggressively sexual female" card as an excuse for BR? Maybe he should have stayed home and away from all those predatory females.
It is certainly more prevalent today than "Back in the day ".
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Rorbotron said:
He's been given a chance to change and I think he will. I agree 100% on him being a dog in this regard. He tried to pick up my sister two years ago. She told him "she wasn't interested in being a part of the meat market".He'll come full circle, I whole heartedly believe that and once again Sorry earl for cussing you out.
Ben Roethlisberger is a Guy who grew up as a teen , going to his "Youth Group" , going to Sunday Services with his Parents. He became a Star... Got drafted ...became a Bigger Star ... Won a couple SBs and became a Bigger Yet Star. All the while fading away from the Values he grew up with. Money and Fame ... poisoned him . Add to that a Single Guy with Hot young ladies offering it up ... Yikes. Add the liquid Spirits ( Thank you Jamie Foxx and others nice message to the Youth of America "Blame it on the Al..al..al..al..al...Alchohol" SO Very responsible of You) Its all a recipe for SIN and Sickness. And WHO hasnt , doesnt struggle with the Vices of life.
The bottom line is Ben can Change... now its up to him . But hes no worse than Many guys posting here now , many in accusatory fashion. Its hard to live right and the More $$$$$ and Fame you have , the tougher it is. Time to step up and live right.
well The Guy has Raped nobody or he would be LOCKED up. Thats bottom line. The World watched this ... the Georgia Authorities were not gonna screw this up. It time for Ben to Stand up and be the person he was raised to be. And Who in here didnt improve as a person , between the ages of 28 and 32 ?? I Know I did. Lets see what happens. I am sure you guys are too bitter to listen to reason ...but here we go anyways.
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
well The Guy has Raped nobody or he would be LOCKED up. Thats bottom line.You don't know this anymore than I know he did do it..... It's simply a case where there were the facts were not there for the DA to charge him and take him to trial.
The bottom line is that this guy is not a quality human being, regardless how he was raised.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
well The Guy has Raped nobody or he would be LOCKED up. Thats bottom line.You don't know this anymore than I know he did do it..... It's simply a case where there were the facts were not there for the DA to charge him and take him to trial.
The bottom line is that this guy is not a quality human being, regardless how he was raised.
You don't know this anymore than I know he did do it..... It's simply a case where there were the facts were not there for the DA to charge him and take him to trial.
The bottom line is that this guy is not a quality human being, regardless how he was raised.
INVESTIGATED ... Not Charged. Thats pretty cut and Dry. Even OJ was sent to Trial... this isnt a Guy who was charged and "Got Off" . He wasn't even Charged. As a Nation watched and waited t Judge the Police. They still couldn't Charge him. No Rape. And I aint happy that he was even, in the process , of "Doing " a girl in a Restroom. Its ridiculous , to behave like that . Classless... wrong. But He is a Human being , bent toward doing whats wrong (as we all are to a point) . He can change the course of his life. And like it of not ... if they could change him them certainly would have. They couldn't ... and The whole "College Slut" thing carries a lot of weight. Its an epidemic. DOESN'T Make it right for a man to take advantage of it , but Many would. He now has opportunity to Change the course of his life.
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I never said it was news...the point was to contonuoisly illustrate the mental gymnastics tequired for you to continiously defend the rapist. You assume a lack of charges implies no wrong doing....
You get sick of daughtet excuse in the same way I'm sick of the slutty money grubbing whore excuse. If ben dodnt act the complete moron, and prey on the youngings he couldn't land when he wad their age, they wouldn't get a chance to run him over.
You reap what you sow....its clear he uses his fame to get laid, and he pays for silence. When he doesn't, they take it to the courts
Spin it however ya want...you harbor and defend a douchebag of the highest caliber for nothing more than braggong rights in a sport. What else do ya have to hang your hat on....ketchup?
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I wish to hell that slut culture had been around when I was in college. I mean, excuse me but are you really trying to play the "aggressively sexual female" card as an excuse for BR? Maybe he should have stayed home and away from all those predatory females.
It is certainly more prevalent today than "Back in the day ".
FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
It is certainly more prevalent today than "Back in the day ".Yea, well, that day was a long time ago. Around the time Animal House came out.
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I wish to hell that slut culture had been around when I was in college. I mean, excuse me but are you really trying to play the "aggressively sexual female" card as an excuse for BR? Maybe he should have stayed home and away from all those predatory females.
Did I say it was exclusive to Big Ben? I encountered it plenty and if you actually READ my post that point was pretty clear. I could have gotten in to A LOT of trouble in college because of the "slut culture" that was abundant. I guess at the same time I was/am a jock, in great shape, dressed well and like to think I'm not an asshole so the "sluts" certainly aren't available to everyone. BIg Ben was/is most definitely a target and one that was willing to participate and his willingness is the very reason he's now in trouble. He'll turn it around.
Rorbotron said:
Did I say it was exclusive to Big Ben? I encountered it plenty and if you actually READ my post that point was pretty clear. I could have gotten in to A LOT of trouble in college because of the "slut culture" that was abundant. I guess at the same time I was/am a jock, in great shape, dressed well and like to think I'm not an asshole so the "sluts" certainly aren't available to everyone. BIg Ben was/is most definitely a target and one that was willing to participate and his willingness is the very reason he's now in trouble. He'll turn it around.Honestly, I don't really care if he does or doesn't. He ain't my friend, he ain't my family. I don't care if he is a rapist or an altar boy (or both). I only care that he lose games for the Steelers. And I only care about that because they compete in the same division as the Browns.
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I never said it was news...the point was to contonuoisly illustrate the mental gymnastics tequired for you to continiously defend the rapist. You assume a lack of charges implies no wrong doing....
You get sick of daughtet excuse in the same way I'm sick of the slutty money grubbing whore excuse. If ben dodnt act the complete moron, and prey on the youngings he couldn't land when he wad their age, they wouldn't get a chance to run him over.
You reap what you sow....its clear he uses his fame to get laid, and he pays for silence. When he doesn't, they take it to the courts
Spin it however ya want...you harbor and defend a douchebag of the highest caliber for nothing more than braggong rights in a sport. What else do ya have to hang your hat on....ketchup?
I never said it was news...the point was to contonuoisly illustrate the mental gymnastics tequired for you to continiously defend the rapist. You assume a lack of charges implies no wrong doing....
You get sick of daughtet excuse in the same way I'm sick of the slutty money grubbing whore excuse. If ben dodnt act the complete moron, and prey on the youngings he couldn't land when he wad their age, they wouldn't get a chance to run him over.
You reap what you sow....its clear he uses his fame to get laid, and he pays for silence. When he doesn't, they take it to the courts
Spin it however ya want...you harbor and defend a douchebag of the highest caliber for nothing more than braggong rights in a sport. What else do ya have to hang your hat on....ketchup?
NOT A Rapist. The Law agrees. Hes a Spoiled over sexed Star , who has to change his ways or his profession. I am not defending his actions , which are wrong , by the way . Mearly the Rapist thing. Hes not and your calling him that is slanderous. But roll that way if you want. In all honesty It doesn't show a whole lot more class , than doing drunk chicks in a restroom.
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FREAKofSTEEL08 said:
It is certainly more prevalent today than "Back in the day ".Yea, well, that day was a long time ago. Around the time Animal House came out.
Yea, well, that day was a long time ago. Around the time Animal House came out.
Me too Gipper. I remember watching the Original "Friday the 13th" On a Date during my Sophomore yr. in College.
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You can label the woman whatever you like, even if she was a prostitute on a night off, and if she says NO it means NO.
The problem today is that you are not allowed to say NO to a child anymore because you might offend someone or cause mental harm.
You can label the woman whatever you like, even if she was a prostitute on a night off, and if she says NO it means NO.
The problem today is that you are not allowed to say NO to a child anymore because you might offend someone or cause mental harm.
It's obvious nobody can change his mind. He's actually going out of his way to try and change our minds about Ben even though Ben could careless about this guy or any other fan for that matter. But hey, if he wants to spend half the day defending a rapist because he can throw a football then more power to him.
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I never said it was news...the point was to contonuoisly illustrate the mental gymnastics tequired for you to continiously defend the rapist. You assume a lack of charges implies no wrong doing....
You get sick of daughtet excuse in the same way I'm sick of the slutty money grubbing whore excuse. If ben dodnt act the complete moron, and prey on the youngings he couldn't land when he wad their age, they wouldn't get a chance to run him over.
You reap what you sow....its clear he uses his fame to get laid, and he pays for silence. When he doesn't, they take it to the courts
Spin it however ya want...you harbor and defend a douchebag of the highest caliber for nothing more than braggong rights in a sport. What else do ya have to hang your hat on....ketchup?
I never said it was news...the point was to contonuoisly illustrate the mental gymnastics tequired for you to continiously defend the rapist. You assume a lack of charges implies no wrong doing....
You get sick of daughtet excuse in the same way I'm sick of the slutty money grubbing whore excuse. If ben dodnt act the complete moron, and prey on the youngings he couldn't land when he wad their age, they wouldn't get a chance to run him over.
You reap what you sow....its clear he uses his fame to get laid, and he pays for silence. When he doesn't, they take it to the courts
Spin it however ya want...you harbor and defend a douchebag of the highest caliber for nothing more than braggong rights in a sport. What else do ya have to hang your hat on....ketchup?
I'm not a religious individual. I went to church plenty growing up and like to think that I'm a good person mostly because of the way I was raised. However I'm sure there are people on this message board that consider themselves religious and of those some may be catholic. I believe Ben is catholic as well, therefore most believe in repenting for their wrong doings or in this case questionable behavior. I don't believe Big Ben is a saint, NOR have I ever implied that he was which leads me to believe people here don't read or can't read. I've flat out said at least 30 times that Big Ben in this regard is a skeezball and that more often than not he sleeps with anything that moves. Now for a second WHY is it so hard to believe that two individuals with questionable behavior traits end up in the same bathroom doing something they shouldn't be in said bathroom. Drunk "DTF" girl after the fact decides she didn't like the idea of putting her sorority and her reputation on the line so she makes up a story to "protect the letters" and maintain her dignity. I can't tell you how many times I was on campus at a party and watched sorority girls put on a hoodie to cover up their "letters" as to not "disgrace the sorority" with their questionable drinking or whatever else. In most cases it's a damn cult of "slutitutde" She bangs big ben but in a bathroom, hammered and UNDERAGE. The sorority obviously needs to answer to this and in a small college town at a small college the greek population is it's own form of "celebrity" See where this is going? Sooo while everyone on this message board wants to pass it off as some heinous rape, the DA didn't see it that way and the evidence didn't stack up. Two stupid people, doing something stupid at a bar. Draw up the case yourself from that point. I never said Big Ben was/is a model citizen but he's being given the chance to become one and I think he'll take the opportunity. If he doesn't he'll be another teams problem or out of the league all together.
I'm not a mouth breather fellas. I went to college, I love the Steelers and like to think I'm of above average intelligence. Don't insult mine by ignoring the possiblity that the above is EXACTLY what happened. Yes Big Ben has a history of being a d-bag but the Rooney's and the league are giving him another shot after he serves his 4 games. I plan to do the same and no one here likes it becuase it just means the possiblity of more Super Bowls for the black and gold. I get it guys, you hate the Steelers. Just don't act like total Retards in the process. Thanks.
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