BROWNS DEFENSE
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Meanwhile, these guys are talking about impact players taken in the draft.
Joe Haden is going to be a huge impact for the Browns:
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfl/1...28#nfl/19307428
Meanwhile, these guys are talking about impact players taken in the draft.
Joe Haden is going to be a huge impact for the Browns:
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfl/1...28#nfl/19307428
I agree about Haden, & Ward will be too, given good health.
I would love to see them play Rogers (if he's here) outside on 2nd & 3rd downs. After all, he needed breathers last year. Give the middle to Rubin & take advantage of Roger's ability to penetrate. I see many reasons to think this defense could make a MAJOR turn around this coming season.
Mike
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im not convinced of that, mop.
i know im the minority....but we have all youth there, and am confident in this coaching staffs ability to get the most out of those guys. in a run first offense with (reportedly) marginal QB play, a vet isn't going to help translate into wins....
let the youngins take their lumps now so we're set in 2 years.
im not convinced of that, mop.
i know im the minority....but we have all youth there, and am confident in this coaching staffs ability to get the most out of those guys. in a run first offense with (reportedly) marginal QB play, a vet isn't going to help translate into wins....
let the youngins take their lumps now so we're set in 2 years.
You know what, that does make sense too. I think MoMass will be much better in his 2nd year and with a vet at QB helping him and the other guys along, it could be just fine.
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possible surprises: a beefed up Veikune at DE, Francies focusing more on FS than CB, and i see Trusnic more backing up or challenging for LOLB and providing ILB depth in a pinch.
between Wright and Haden, who's the better man on the right side? cuz thas what should determine who ends up playing there...or alternately, who's worse on the left.
should Haden need to focus on the opposite side he played predominately, could it possibly Retard his growth? i just hope he is as effective if he is the one moved to the left.
between Wright and Haden, who's the better man on the right side? cuz thas what should determine who ends up playing there...or alternately, who's worse on the left.
should Haden need to focus on the opposite side he played predominately, could it possibly Retard his growth? i just hope he is as effective if he is the one moved to the left.
I don't feel that is a big issue for corners like it is for linemen or backers with hands down or swim moves.
Top corners are assigned players to cover....your guy lines up on the left, you line up there......he lines up on the right, you line up there.
Trust me here....I have seen Joe play for a while....maybe close to a dozen times in person....he can play anywhere he wants.
I know, I am known as a Gator homer, yada,yada,yada.....but he is a Brown now and I don't let my college homerism cloud my opinion in so far as my feelings for the Browns.....Joe is a player.....and a damn fine one....don't worry about what side he plays...worry about something else.
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Does 10 linebackers on the roster seem like a lot? I would think a team would carry more like 8 at the most. I never really thought about this until now
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It might seem high, but in a 3-4, and considering backers and DB make up the bulk of your kick teams, it isn't impossible.
Yeah that is true I guess. I would even say of the 10 LB's we have 3-4 of them should just be on special teams and end up as our depth guys by default. I wish we could actually pick up a really good play making linebacker. We have been missing that ever since that great year Jamir Miller had for us in 2001. Hopefully a guy like Roth can step up and play that role.
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TJ Ward .................... Sheldon Brown
Eric Wright .......................................................................... Joe Haden
Matt Roth .... David Bowens .... Scott Fujita .... Chris Gocong
Robaire Smith ... Shaun Rogers ... Kenyon Coleman
I was not a big fan of moving Sheldon Brown to Safety, but Hot-damn, I'm liking that Defensive Secondary right there.
Replace Coleman with some solid play and we have ourselves a nice defense. Can we squeeze Rubin in alongside Rogers in Coleman's spot?
You could move rogers outside and play Rubin.....I think we are wasting a large degree of rogers talent as a fireplug in the middle...let him get in the backfield like MD Perry did and disrupt some things before they start.
You could move rogers outside and play Rubin.....I think we are wasting a large degree of rogers talent as a fireplug in the middle...let him get in the backfield like MD Perry did and disrupt some things before they start.
I kind of like the sound of that, Rubin certainly earned his stripes last season, especially on the run. But would it cause a disruption to the rhythm of the line as I am sure rogers would be chugging oxygen more often in that role??
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@horse-balls said:
Soccer is for little kids and girls.HB
I am staying well away from this one.
BTW this thread has been hijacked by soccer - c'mon get it back on track, this was the best thread on the board until it got soccered.
Personally I am hoping they lock our LBs up in cages and feed them raw meet for the next 4 months so they come out even more nasty than they ended last years' season.
I want Elam out and expect to see more crazy assed pad pounding from Roth and Co this season. I don't think teams will laugh at the tackling of our guys behind the line this year.
Helmets will fly.
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From the Plain Dealer:
Rogers to end? Mangini said the Browns are still waiting to see how the legal process plays out before they'll know whether or not they have Shaun Rogers for the start of the season. He also said the Browns will take a look at him at right and left end. "I think [Ahtyba] Rubin did a nice job last year [at nose]. I'm excited about seeing his continued growth. I think he played well and I think he made a really strong case to continue to play and that's a good thing."
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What ever way this pans out, I can see Rogers having a sulk - Do we look to trade? Rubin did do well, he's young, will develop - was great Vs the run.
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What ever way this pans out, I can see Rogers having a sulk - Do we look to trade? Rubin did do well, he's young, will develop - was great Vs the run.
What ever way this pans out, I can see Rogers having a sulk - Do we look to trade? Rubin did do well, he's young, will develop - was great Vs the run.
I think Rodgers would be thrilled to move to end.. He would get more sacks and could play without the leash thats needed for a 3-4 NT, I LOVE this idea, it plays to Rodgers' strengths and would upgrade a position that needs upgrading
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What ever way this pans out, I can see Rogers having a sulk - Do we look to trade? Rubin did do well, he's young, will develop - was great Vs the run.
I think Rodgers would be thrilled to move to end.. He would get more sacks and could play without the leash thats needed for a 3-4 NT, I LOVE this idea, it plays to Rodgers' strengths and would upgrade a position that needs upgrading
I think Rodgers would be thrilled to move to end.. He would get more sacks and could play without the leash thats needed for a 3-4 NT, I LOVE this idea, it plays to Rodgers' strengths and would upgrade a position that needs upgrading
I'd like to see this happen too. Let's see what the weeks unfold for us.
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I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
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Defensive Line:
Nose Tackle:
Starter: Shaun Rogers: Considered the Browns best defensive player and is an athletic marvel. He is the team's best penetrating defensive lineman and might be more effective at defensive end.
Backup: Ahtyba Rubin: Very effective at filling the gaps in run defense and has the confidence of Rob Ryan.
Defensive Tackle:
Starter: Robaire Smith: Excellent player who had 62 tackles and 1.5 sacks last year in return from Achilles tendon injury.
Backup: Brian Schaefring: Promising rookie last year had 12 tackles and 1.5 sacks.
Defensive End:
Starter: Kenyon Coleman: Disappointing season with only 38 tackles and 1.5 sacks, Browns definitely could upgrade.
Backup: C.J.Mosley: Also a player the Browns could be looking to upgrade post-draft, only had 18 tackles and no sacks.
Backup: Clinton Geathers: Huge defensive end prospect from South Carolina who has tons of potential but needs a lot of work to be a viable NFL player.
Linebackers:
Outside Right:
Starter: Matt Roth: Awesome late season pickup who tallied 28 tackles and four sacks, the Browns traded Kameron Wimbley because they had Roth.
Backup: Marcus Benard: Rookie pass-rusher burst onto the scene with 14 tackles and 3.5 sacks, the Browns will be counting on him to spell Roth and provide a pass rush this season.
Outside left:
Starter: Chris Gocong: Acquired from Philadelphia along with Sheldon Brown and projects as the potential starter on the outside where he can do what did best in college: Rush the passer.
Backup: David Veikune: Rookie from Hawaii, tried to convert to linebacker last year and did not see the field much. As a second-round pick, the Browns are hoping to get something out of him this year.
Inside Linebacker:
Starter: David Bowens: Versatile veteran who can man either inside or out and had 71 tackles and 5.5 sacks last year. Considered a leader of this defense.
Backup: Jason Trusnik: Came over in the Braylon Edwards trade and surprised everybody by being a player. Hard nosed, versatile backer who can do a little bit of everything. Had 56 tackles and 2.5 sacks.
Backup: Eric Barton: Former starter had serious neck injury and surgery and current status is unknown.
Inside linebacker:
Starter: Scott Fujita: Free agent pickup from New Orleans who can play inside or out. Had 58 tackles and one sack last year.
Backup: D'Qwell Jackson: Former league leader in tackles is just not well suited for the 3-4 and gets lost in the wash. Unlikely to be with team at start of season.
Backup: Kaluka Maiava: Ex-USC linebacker became a valuable special teams player and was solid when called upon on the inside with 45 tackles and 2.5 sacks.
Backup: Blake Costanzo: Special teams star provides depth in case of injury, led team in special team tackles.
Secondary:
Strong Safety:
Starter: Abe Elam: Former Kent State product has legal issues, led team in tackles but Browns drafted two rookies at his position.
Backup: Nick Sorensen: Strictly a special teams player.
Backup: T.J. Ward: Big hitter from Oregon who is a secure tackler. Ward struggles in coverage and has battled injuries.
Backup: Larry Asante: First-team All-Big 12 safety who is a big hitter and has stayed injury free. He also has trouble in coverage.
Free Safety:
Starter: Mike Adams: Versatile player who filled four roles last year, Adams had 69 tackles last year, Browns looking to upgrade at this position.
Backup: Ray Ventrone: Special teams ace who is competent, but nothing special.
Right Cornerback:
Starter: Eric Wright: Excellent young corner who had four interceptions, 14 passes defensed, and 65 tackles.
Backup: Brandon McDonald: Former starter was benched twice last year and will lose nickel job this year to rookie Joe Haden, needs fresh start somewhere else.
Backup: Gerard Lawson: Primarily a special teamer since Wright never leaves field.
Left Cornerback:
Starter: Sheldon Brown: Former Pro Bowler with Philadelphia is 31 and solidifies Browns secondary, had 51 tackles and five interceptions last year.
Backup: Joe Haden: Rookie from Florida was considered by many the best cornerback in the draft. Had eight interceptions in his career at Florida and projects as the Browns nickel back this year.
Backup: Coye Francies: Rookie saw very limited time last year with only four tackles.
from Source: Bleacher Report
Defensive Line:
Nose Tackle:
Starter: Shaun Rogers: Considered the Browns best defensive player and is an athletic marvel. He is the team's best penetrating defensive lineman and might be more effective at defensive end.
A guy who has been on the worst defenses in the league for his whole career. Coincidence?
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I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
Would not Rubin be that "big sleeper NT kid"? He is only in his second or third year.
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Ward is a free safety who should easily beat out Adams. Bowens is an outside linebacker not inside.
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if you look at the little position moniker beide his name sure....
but bowens played DJ's position (which is ILB) once he went on IR, and played much better inside than outside....as well as played much better than DJ ever has.
besides, mangini likes guys that can move around....so dont get too caught up in their position designation....especially the linebackers.
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I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
I think Rogers would be a totally disruptive FORCE at end. My personal opinion is that too much of his talent is NOT utilized at nose tackle, but I'm just a fan. It will be interesting to see what the pros decide.
Mike
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