BROWNS DEFENSE
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TJ Ward .................... Sheldon Brown
Eric Wright .......................................................................... Joe Haden
Matt Roth .... David Bowens .... Scott Fujita .... Chris Gocong
Robaire Smith ... Shaun Rogers ... Kenyon Coleman
I was not a big fan of moving Sheldon Brown to Safety, but Hot-damn, I'm liking that Defensive Secondary right there.
Replace Coleman with some solid play and we have ourselves a nice defense. Can we squeeze Rubin in alongside Rogers in Coleman's spot?
You could move rogers outside and play Rubin.....I think we are wasting a large degree of rogers talent as a fireplug in the middle...let him get in the backfield like MD Perry did and disrupt some things before they start.
You could move rogers outside and play Rubin.....I think we are wasting a large degree of rogers talent as a fireplug in the middle...let him get in the backfield like MD Perry did and disrupt some things before they start.
I kind of like the sound of that, Rubin certainly earned his stripes last season, especially on the run. But would it cause a disruption to the rhythm of the line as I am sure rogers would be chugging oxygen more often in that role??
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@horse-balls said:
Soccer is for little kids and girls.HB
I am staying well away from this one.
BTW this thread has been hijacked by soccer - c'mon get it back on track, this was the best thread on the board until it got soccered.
Personally I am hoping they lock our LBs up in cages and feed them raw meet for the next 4 months so they come out even more nasty than they ended last years' season.
I want Elam out and expect to see more crazy assed pad pounding from Roth and Co this season. I don't think teams will laugh at the tackling of our guys behind the line this year.
Helmets will fly.
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From the Plain Dealer:
Rogers to end? Mangini said the Browns are still waiting to see how the legal process plays out before they'll know whether or not they have Shaun Rogers for the start of the season. He also said the Browns will take a look at him at right and left end. "I think [Ahtyba] Rubin did a nice job last year [at nose]. I'm excited about seeing his continued growth. I think he played well and I think he made a really strong case to continue to play and that's a good thing."
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What ever way this pans out, I can see Rogers having a sulk - Do we look to trade? Rubin did do well, he's young, will develop - was great Vs the run.
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What ever way this pans out, I can see Rogers having a sulk - Do we look to trade? Rubin did do well, he's young, will develop - was great Vs the run.
What ever way this pans out, I can see Rogers having a sulk - Do we look to trade? Rubin did do well, he's young, will develop - was great Vs the run.
I think Rodgers would be thrilled to move to end.. He would get more sacks and could play without the leash thats needed for a 3-4 NT, I LOVE this idea, it plays to Rodgers' strengths and would upgrade a position that needs upgrading
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What ever way this pans out, I can see Rogers having a sulk - Do we look to trade? Rubin did do well, he's young, will develop - was great Vs the run.
I think Rodgers would be thrilled to move to end.. He would get more sacks and could play without the leash thats needed for a 3-4 NT, I LOVE this idea, it plays to Rodgers' strengths and would upgrade a position that needs upgrading
I think Rodgers would be thrilled to move to end.. He would get more sacks and could play without the leash thats needed for a 3-4 NT, I LOVE this idea, it plays to Rodgers' strengths and would upgrade a position that needs upgrading
I'd like to see this happen too. Let's see what the weeks unfold for us.
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I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
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Defensive Line:
Nose Tackle:
Starter: Shaun Rogers: Considered the Browns best defensive player and is an athletic marvel. He is the team's best penetrating defensive lineman and might be more effective at defensive end.
Backup: Ahtyba Rubin: Very effective at filling the gaps in run defense and has the confidence of Rob Ryan.
Defensive Tackle:
Starter: Robaire Smith: Excellent player who had 62 tackles and 1.5 sacks last year in return from Achilles tendon injury.
Backup: Brian Schaefring: Promising rookie last year had 12 tackles and 1.5 sacks.
Defensive End:
Starter: Kenyon Coleman: Disappointing season with only 38 tackles and 1.5 sacks, Browns definitely could upgrade.
Backup: C.J.Mosley: Also a player the Browns could be looking to upgrade post-draft, only had 18 tackles and no sacks.
Backup: Clinton Geathers: Huge defensive end prospect from South Carolina who has tons of potential but needs a lot of work to be a viable NFL player.
Linebackers:
Outside Right:
Starter: Matt Roth: Awesome late season pickup who tallied 28 tackles and four sacks, the Browns traded Kameron Wimbley because they had Roth.
Backup: Marcus Benard: Rookie pass-rusher burst onto the scene with 14 tackles and 3.5 sacks, the Browns will be counting on him to spell Roth and provide a pass rush this season.
Outside left:
Starter: Chris Gocong: Acquired from Philadelphia along with Sheldon Brown and projects as the potential starter on the outside where he can do what did best in college: Rush the passer.
Backup: David Veikune: Rookie from Hawaii, tried to convert to linebacker last year and did not see the field much. As a second-round pick, the Browns are hoping to get something out of him this year.
Inside Linebacker:
Starter: David Bowens: Versatile veteran who can man either inside or out and had 71 tackles and 5.5 sacks last year. Considered a leader of this defense.
Backup: Jason Trusnik: Came over in the Braylon Edwards trade and surprised everybody by being a player. Hard nosed, versatile backer who can do a little bit of everything. Had 56 tackles and 2.5 sacks.
Backup: Eric Barton: Former starter had serious neck injury and surgery and current status is unknown.
Inside linebacker:
Starter: Scott Fujita: Free agent pickup from New Orleans who can play inside or out. Had 58 tackles and one sack last year.
Backup: D'Qwell Jackson: Former league leader in tackles is just not well suited for the 3-4 and gets lost in the wash. Unlikely to be with team at start of season.
Backup: Kaluka Maiava: Ex-USC linebacker became a valuable special teams player and was solid when called upon on the inside with 45 tackles and 2.5 sacks.
Backup: Blake Costanzo: Special teams star provides depth in case of injury, led team in special team tackles.
Secondary:
Strong Safety:
Starter: Abe Elam: Former Kent State product has legal issues, led team in tackles but Browns drafted two rookies at his position.
Backup: Nick Sorensen: Strictly a special teams player.
Backup: T.J. Ward: Big hitter from Oregon who is a secure tackler. Ward struggles in coverage and has battled injuries.
Backup: Larry Asante: First-team All-Big 12 safety who is a big hitter and has stayed injury free. He also has trouble in coverage.
Free Safety:
Starter: Mike Adams: Versatile player who filled four roles last year, Adams had 69 tackles last year, Browns looking to upgrade at this position.
Backup: Ray Ventrone: Special teams ace who is competent, but nothing special.
Right Cornerback:
Starter: Eric Wright: Excellent young corner who had four interceptions, 14 passes defensed, and 65 tackles.
Backup: Brandon McDonald: Former starter was benched twice last year and will lose nickel job this year to rookie Joe Haden, needs fresh start somewhere else.
Backup: Gerard Lawson: Primarily a special teamer since Wright never leaves field.
Left Cornerback:
Starter: Sheldon Brown: Former Pro Bowler with Philadelphia is 31 and solidifies Browns secondary, had 51 tackles and five interceptions last year.
Backup: Joe Haden: Rookie from Florida was considered by many the best cornerback in the draft. Had eight interceptions in his career at Florida and projects as the Browns nickel back this year.
Backup: Coye Francies: Rookie saw very limited time last year with only four tackles.
from Source: Bleacher Report
Defensive Line:
Nose Tackle:
Starter: Shaun Rogers: Considered the Browns best defensive player and is an athletic marvel. He is the team's best penetrating defensive lineman and might be more effective at defensive end.
A guy who has been on the worst defenses in the league for his whole career. Coincidence?
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I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
Would not Rubin be that "big sleeper NT kid"? He is only in his second or third year.
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Ward is a free safety who should easily beat out Adams. Bowens is an outside linebacker not inside.
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if you look at the little position moniker beide his name sure....
but bowens played DJ's position (which is ILB) once he went on IR, and played much better inside than outside....as well as played much better than DJ ever has.
besides, mangini likes guys that can move around....so dont get too caught up in their position designation....especially the linebackers.
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I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
I think last year I wanted us to draft a big sleeper NT kid, and move Rogers to end to lengthen his career with us a ways...
somebody tartly told me he was just a NT.
I still really like the idea, and yes, nice job, he surely would be thrilled to play end.
I think Rogers would be a totally disruptive FORCE at end. My personal opinion is that too much of his talent is NOT utilized at nose tackle, but I'm just a fan. It will be interesting to see what the pros decide.
Mike
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Abe Elam podcast on "The Really Big Show" ESPN 850
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When everybody's back from suspensions, I like:
DL: Robaire, Rubin, Rogers (Coleman, Mosley, Shaefering, and Geathers)
LB: Gocong, Fujita, DQJ, Roth (Bowens on the field a lot, though... Veikune, Trusnick, Benard stick... I think Maiaiva is on the bubble)
DB: I'd prefer that Haden and Wright start at corner, Ward and Brown at safety. More realistically, it's Wright and Brown at corner, Elam and Ward at safety.
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I think the safety spots are going to be in flux most of the season. I think you may have it right for game 1.. but I think that's not the way it will end up. I can see some rookies possibly taking jobs. or at least getting a lot of play time in certain packages.. I for one cannot wait to see Asante on special teams with Cribbs.. tackling the ball carrier..
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