Middle east palestinian Bias toward Israel the root cause?
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touchy subject. I agree though.What I find odd is that a country that seperates church and state created and supports a country based on a church.
I wonder if the typical Arab sees the typical Isrealite living a great life while theirs sucks and blames it on our support and funding of Isreal?
I wonder if I give a damn????
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I don't care about what Arabs think about Israel. I think we support Israel because of the Holocaust. We supported them and still support them because of what happened. Maybe you should think before you type sometimes Mikey.
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Just askin' a question, homey.And PS, Israel didn't exist until after the Holocaust.
I realize this oh wise one. What I am trying to communicate to you is that I support Israel. I think the Hollocaust was a horrible event. I think Israel deserves our support and am proud to offer it. I'm just sayin.
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We agree here. I just think there are reasons beyond the Holocaust as well.Including the fact that a majority of the enemies of Israel happen to hate our way of life just as much. Sometimes common enemies is enough...
That seems like a cliche "they hate us because of our freedom" campaign slogan. Heres a thought, maybe they hate us because we're tailgating in their backyard and stealing their beer (oil).
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Calling the Iranian & Syrian regimes non-violent is ridiculous. Not only do both regimes use violence to repress against their own citizens, but each has engaged in massive repression of their Kurdish minorities.\ said:
I'm not saying Iran or Syria are role model countries. However, Israel's history of violence to other peoples and countries speak louder than alleged desires of other regimes.Israel's committed its share of human rights abuses, but Iran & Syria have committed more (& far more obscene) abuses. I'd suggest you read about the Hama massacre (the "Hama Rules" chapter in Tom Friedman's From Beirut to Jerusalem would be a good start).
And specifically talking about oppression of the Palestinians, you should read about what happened in Jordan in September 1970 (a.k.a. Black September). Or what happened to the Palestinians in Kuwait after Gulf War I.
My question, once more, is why treat them different than any other country when they provide no beneficial resource to the US?
First, your claim above that Israel receives a majority of US foreign aid is false. Though it receives the most aid of any country, the next top recipient is Egypt. Why, you ask? Because the promise of foreign aid played a large role in forging peace between Israel & Egypt.And I'd dispute that Israel "provide no beneficial resource to the US". There's a strong security relationship there that goes back to the Cold War, as well as strong economic ties. If you go to Tel Aviv, you'll immediately notice how many American businesses have R&D labs there. One of Intel's latest microprocessors was developed in Israel.
It makes no sense. 95% of the citizens (not government) in every Middle East country despises Israel's policies. So in other words, if we cut off ties with Israel our war against terrorism and extremism would diminish sooner than later.
Cut off ties with Israel? That's absurd.I'm all for us using our alliance with Israel to nudge them towards the peace table with the Palestinians, but I don't think severing ties with one of our democratic allies makes any sense.
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Just askin' a question, homey.And PS, Israel didn't exist until after the Holocaust.
I realize this oh wise one. What I am trying to communicate to you is that I support Israel. I think the Hollocaust was a horrible event. I think Israel deserves our support and am proud to offer it. I'm just sayin.
What's the point of supporting Israel? Because of the Holocaust? They got a whole country out it, isn't that enough? Do you support the billions of aide we ship over their while our country is growing its deficit? What do they do for us? Seriously, I think its a joke.
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They got a whole country out it, isn't that enough?You sound like a petulant child who was left without a chair when the music stopped.
Why you'd support regimes that despise democracy over ones that foster it is beyond me. Please re-read Alo's response to you if you are still having trouble. He can discuss this way more eloquently than I.
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Yes, that seems like a fair trade: 6 million slaughtered so that 600,000 could have a state\ said:
What's the point of supporting Israel? Because of the Holocaust? They got a whole country out it, isn't that enough?
Actually, it wasn't even 600,000 in 1948. Well, it was, but then 6,000 Israelis lost their lives fighting off the invading Arab armies.
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That seems like a cliche "they hate us because of our freedom" campaign slogan. Heres a thought, maybe they hate us because we're tailgating in their backyard and stealing their beer (oil).Wow. Your top customer that pays in advance for your product is now "stealing"? How well does that go over at a lunch?
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Ha. Thanks.\ said:
Please re-read Alo's response to you if you are still having trouble. He can discuss this way more eloquently than I.One of the things I love about this board is that I end up defending a Palestinian in one thread & Israel in another. Hopefully, I've convinced a few people here that those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
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We agree here. I just think there are reasons beyond the Holocaust as well.Including the fact that a majority of the enemies of Israel happen to hate our way of life just as much. Sometimes common enemies is enough...
That seems like a cliche "they hate us because of our freedom" campaign slogan. Heres a thought, maybe they hate us because we're tailgating in their backyard and stealing their beer (oil).
They hate us because humans need someone to hate.
The Sheiks have trillions in oil the people have jack shit.
Looks like they're in bed with the big bad US.
(and they are)
People like Osama (and Hitler ) want power.
Like Hitler targeted the Jews Osama targets the west.
Hell boys look at American TV through their eyes. Every American throws money away while they have hot rocks and dirt.
So if it wastn't for the great satan they'd share in the riches.
Bullshit but it's human nature.
Ask yourself what WW2 Germans might say if polles about what would make them like the US or Russia more.
WSS
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Ha. It's funny how two of the people ardently defending Israel here are Obama supporters.\ said:
lets just leave isreal while we are leaving iraq.I know what will save money lets leave every one alone and let them battle it out.
Maybe we can watch it live.
After an another obamination speach.
And if I had to guess, I'd say that Mr. Koa isn't an Obama supporter. Considering the anti-foreign tirade he just went on, I'm betting he's a Pat Buchanan or Ron Paul type.
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Ha. It's funny how two of the people ardently defending Israel here are Obama supporters.But remember, all Lefties go with the flow 100% of the time and cannot discern between what they really believe and what the Party tells them to believe.
Might I add that even when I agree with WSS on an issue, his explanations are fucking grating.
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I'm sorry but when did I call Iran or Syria "non-violent"? I believe these are aggressive countries that don't serve our interest, but I believe Israel has a far more decorated history of violence and aggression than either. Shall I elaborate?
Maybe you should read into the USS Liberty. During the Six Day War, Israeli warplanes attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 US servicemen. Or perhaps the Sabra and Shatila Massacre. In 1982, the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) directed militiamen into the Lebanese villages of Sabra and Shatila killing upwards of 4,000 Lebanese men, women, and children. This massacre was blamed on the late Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. If he were to step foot into Hungary he would have been tried as a war criminal. What about Jonathan Pollard? He was a convicted of espionage for selling sensitive and classified US material at Israel's request. We can also look at Israel's history with the UN Security Council. They have 88 resolutions criticizing their violent and oppressive behavior... more than any other country. I'm sure you remember Israel's recent Hezbollah retaliation by completely grazing the infrastructure of Lebanon. I can go on and on. Even rogue countries like Iran haven't attacked another country with such malice.
Furthermore, what I meant was that Israel receives the most foreign aide compared to any other country. As of 1997, that aide was up to $75,000,000,000. Also, the total American taxpayer cost per Israeli is $24,000. Imagine what it is 10 years later! http://www.washington-report.org/html/u ... israel.htm
Like I said before, they do not serve any vital interests of the United States. As for your Intel comment, Israel's recent contribution to high-technology was fueled by the influx of American intelligence and aide over the past four decades and not internal innovation. What resource do they provide America besides tourism and creating distaste within the Arab community for us. Certainly no natural resources. I believe the US is more prone to terrorist attack due to our alliance with the country more than anything else... why you ask?
How exactly can we mediate the Israeli-Palestinian peace process when we are biased in all respects towards Israel? You can't expect Arabs to comply when their isn't a level playing field.
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Yes, that seems like a fair trade: 6 million slaughtered so that 600,000 could have a state\ said:
What's the point of supporting Israel? Because of the Holocaust? They got a whole country out it, isn't that enough?
Actually, it wasn't even 600,000 in 1948. Well, it was, but then 6,000 Israelis lost their lives fighting off the invading Arab armies.
Instead of rolling your eyes maybe you should just chalk it down as a terrible event regarding human history instead of disregarding the fact Israel as a country serves us no purpose.
-How about the upwards of 40 million killed under Communist Mao Tse Tung?
-Over 20 million were killed under the Stalin regime.
-In Rwanda their Holocaust lasted for twelve years while the U.S. and Europe did nothing.
-The "Killing Fields" of Cambodia by the Communist Pol Pot consumed about 3-5 million people.
As you can see the Jewish Holocaust isn't the only tragic event to happen in our history.
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They got a whole country out it, isn't that enough?
Why you'd support regimes that despise democracy over ones that foster it is beyond me.
This is the second time I've been misinterpreted or misquoted in this thread alone. Where do I show support for regimes that despise democracy? I'm simply comparing Israel with said countries and showing you there is no difference in terms of aggressive behavior/violence.
Dude, seriously, visit Gaza or the West Bank where Palestinians dwell then stroll through the brick-lined streets of fashionable Tel Aviv. You'll see how Palestinians are strangled mentally and economically by Israeli sanctions, checkpoints, and apartheid behavior. Palestinians have played a negative role in the conflict as well, but the US hasn't taken effective steps to allow a level playing field where Arabs can feel "accepted".
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