Dabol's ability to alter his view on Offense !!!
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I agree.
New coordinator, new team, no qb to speak of....Martz isn't going to look all that creative.
It isn't the offense or coordinator that make the difference....it is the players expected to perform.
It's funny how the good coordinators are usually the ones with the good players.
If Mangini isn't the word of support you want to hear, then how about Bellicheck and Saben?? Both of them thought Dabol was a qualified coach who showed promise.
Dabol, his offense, and his play calling aren't the problem...the players have been the problem in this town.
That isn't to say a coordinator can't be a problem, but it is way too early to look at Dabol and say he isn't any good. Let's wait to say that after we have a decent QB at the helm, and receivers who can catch.
We have now established we can run block at least against average defensive teams, thus we are able to run the ball to wins, so now we start to find out some of the other stuff.
A top chef isn't going to do much better than you or I if you hand him a cube steak and a bottle of ketchup and nothing else and say do your magic. You are going to end up with a cube steak with some ketchup on it.
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Since our return in 99, we've had a continuation of rookie coordinators with the exception of Ariens and Fazio (those 2 cooridinators coached us to our only playoff appearance)... Ryan is another coordinator who had experience prior to joining the Browns....
The experience of Ryan payed dividends last year as our defense actually improved by the end of the year...
In my opinion, Dabol is a HUGE question mark.... He has to find a way to call plays that will allow our young players to succeed... In other words, don't be so damn predictible.....
Peace
T.Dawg
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The team is full of huge question marks. I won't argue that Dabol isn't included.
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I agree.
New coordinator, new team, no qb to speak of....Martz isn't going to look all that creative.
It isn't the offense or coordinator that make the difference....it is the players expected to perform.
It's funny how the good coordinators are usually the ones with the good players.
If Mangini isn't the word of support you want to hear, then how about Bellicheck and Saben?? Both of them thought Dabol was a qualified coach who showed promise.
Dabol, his offense, and his play calling aren't the problem...the players have been the problem in this town.
That isn't to say a coordinator can't be a problem, but it is way too early to look at Dabol and say he isn't any good. Let's wait to say that after we have a decent QB at the helm, and receivers who can catch.
We have now established we can run block at least against average defensive teams, thus we are able to run the ball to wins, so now we start to find out some of the other stuff.
A top chef isn't going to do much better than you or I if you hand him a cube steak and a bottle of ketchup and nothing else and say do your magic. You are going to end up with a cube steak with some ketchup on it.
It's funny how the good coordinators are usually the ones with the good players.
Indeed...Brian Billick never had an offense with Baltimore after he left Minnesota.
My main concern with the offense is the WR position. I think we all can agree it's below NFL average, especially in the speed dept. Daboll/Holmgren & Mangini are going to have to get creative here, unless we get surprised by MoMass & our new draft pick Carlton Mitchell.
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The team is full of huge question marks. I won't argue that Dabol isn't included.
Daboll is a huge question mark he has to learn to work with what he has.. thats just how it is.
Hopefully gil haskel can teach the guy something but i still think it was wrong for mangini to have brought a newb of dabolls low caliber in to coordinate a sucky team thats lacked good offensive coordination since its return, and its even worse that holmgren let dabbs stay, a good OC would have at least planned around the available players instead of creating a one dimensional no threat offense...that allows a defense to simply stack the box and win the game ,there was really no where for the WRs or TEs to go...it was what it appeared to be, an over conservative pee wee caliber playbook with very little elbow room that no team could win with...very poor coordinating regardless of the talent especially through the first half of the season..
It will be interesting to watch and see if dabbs gets manhandled consistently again this year by opposing DCs that change plays, players and schemes faster than dabbs can think of the last play he called...
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It doesnt matter how creative you get with plays if you dont have to players to execute them. In the end he did the only thing we were capable of doing, 2 tightend sets with a fullback to lead the way and run it down there throat. If we couldnt complete a pass after the way we ran the ball, theres no hope for anybody calling plays
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Daboll, at times, seems to outthink himself, and ended up calling plays
in a manner that hindered the success of the offense.
The predictable play calling seems to be "Well, we have to be creative because we have weaknesses,
but they know that, so I will call plays that are predictable and catch them off guard"..
or some freakin thing. He is the only coach I don't have much confidence in. 'Seriously,
I'd rather have Bernie Kosar or Coach Ryan call the plays if Daboll can't learn to outfox the defenses.
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The lowest rated player in the NFL was probably an all american somewhere before joining the pros.... They're all athletes....
A good coordinator creates matchups utilizing what he has and puts his players in a position to succeed....
Has Cribbs ever thrown a pass out of the WildDawg?? Have we ever run a reverse out of the WildDawg????
When the defense knows whats coming, they'll stop you 99% of the time....
A good coordinator keeps them guessing..........
Peace
T.Dawg
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The lowest rated player in the NFL was probably an all american somewhere before joining the pros.... They're all athletes....
A good coordinator creates matchups utilizing what he has and puts his players in a position to succeed....
Has Cribbs ever thrown a pass out of the WildDawg?? Have we ever run a reverse out of the WildDawg????
When the defense knows whats coming, they'll stop you 99% of the time....
A good coordinator keeps them guessing..........
Peace
T.Dawg
The lowest rated player in the NFL was probably an all american somewhere before joining the pros.... They're all athletes....
A good coordinator creates matchups utilizing what he has and puts his players in a position to succeed....
Has Cribbs ever thrown a pass out of the WildDawg?? Have we ever run a reverse out of the WildDawg????
When the defense knows whats coming, they'll stop you 99% of the time....
A good coordinator keeps them guessing..........
Peace
T.Dawg
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/statistics.html
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster...c2-c1127c777c4f
Cribbs threw the ball 4 times. Completed 1 to both teams. But they didn't exactly stop him either, he still average 6.9 yards
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The lowest rated player in the NFL was probably an all american somewhere before joining the pros.... They're all athletes....
A good coordinator creates matchups utilizing what he has and puts his players in a position to succeed....
Has Cribbs ever thrown a pass out of the WildDawg?? Have we ever run a reverse out of the WildDawg????
When the defense knows whats coming, they'll stop you 99% of the time....
A good coordinator keeps them guessing..........
Peace
T.Dawg
The lowest rated player in the NFL was probably an all american somewhere before joining the pros.... They're all athletes....
A good coordinator creates matchups utilizing what he has and puts his players in a position to succeed....
Has Cribbs ever thrown a pass out of the WildDawg?? Have we ever run a reverse out of the WildDawg????
When the defense knows whats coming, they'll stop you 99% of the time....
A good coordinator keeps them guessing..........
Peace
T.Dawg
A good team doesnt have to run gadget plays. You might call a gadget play once a game on a key 3rd down but you cant call them all game they wont work. With as much film study that NFL players do these days theres not much that a defense cant see coming. I remember watching a show with Peyton Manning and he said that defenses knew every play they ran before they ran it, its about player execution plain and simple.
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Daboll was saddled with below average talent at QB and young receivers. The Browns had to run the ball, everyone and his brother knew they were going to run the ball and they ran it down everyone's throat in the month of December..Credit where credit is due. People put way too much credence into play calling in the NFL, its every fans expertise. Have you ever noticed fans talk about play calling on offense and players on defense.Why..Because the average NFL fan really doesn't understand defenses and coverages in the NFL. If you have talented skill players and a slightly above average QB your ability to score increases dramatically in the NFL. If DelHomme plays half way decent you'll see. Play calling WAY over rated.
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I remember Franco Harris getting dumped to the turf by the Browns way back...
because the Browns knew he was coming.
Play calling is HUGE, keeping defenses guessing is a very big part of a versatile successful defense.
You can't be predictable without having invested a lot into a very, very solid offensive line.
I'd rather have the best of both worlds - an excellent offensive line, smart qb etc, and play calling
that plays on the expectations of the defense just when they think they have you figured out.
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based on the situation and the defense he expects to see the OC is going to call the play thats most likely to work in that situation against that defense. Then the QB has to get the defense to show there hand, by hard counts and putting guys into motion. Based on what the QB reads, he then audibles to the best play. If we audible to a run play when the boxed is stacked is that being predictable or is the QB doing a poor job of getting the offense into the best play to succed. Like wise when you hard count and you see guys leaning backwards, that tells you there dropping into coverage, so what do you do? You run it were there retreating. Now if you dont make your reads at the line of scrimmage and there dropping back or stacking the box and you dont make the adjustment because you didnt make the reads, thats were you become predictable.
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I'm not too worried about this. I'm sure that if Daboll doesn't take strides to show he's the guy he will be gone by the end of the year and with Holmgren here now I think the job would be an appealing one to good coaching talent.
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Two years ago, everyone in NY was whining about Brian Schottenheimer. Last year, he was everyone's darling. I thought the offensive playcalling in the last five games was very good and earlier in the season there was no "go to" guy on offense that he could trust. No one was playing that well.
I agree with peterbell that everyone bashes offensive playcalling and defensive players. It's an over-rated gripe.
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Well Daboll lost 30 pounds of weight during the offseason, so lets see if he can take that weight he lost and beef up his playbook! I figure anyone willing to learn and those willing to try new things should continue to get better in their profession. Having an expert of the WestCoast Offense on board also won't hurt a thing. What i liked about Daboll last year was his willingness to keep on working , trying to find something which worked for us , (changing up the offense when BQ was brought back in with the no huddle) attempting to play to DA's strengths and so on. I think he can do it but if he doesn't, as we are well aware, there is always someone lurking in the wings waiting for a job.
We will run the football a lot though. As of right now, it seems that is what our team is built to do well. Sort of like Tennessee Titan football. (just need someone to pretend their Chris Johnson now)
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young team with a new scheme, rookie playmakers, aging vets, a #1 TE with bricks for hands, instability at the QB position,...that's a lot for anyone to have to overcome, let alone an OC in his very first year taboot. in his defense, Daboll has exceeded expectations in every NFL role he's had so far.
i'm not aware of whether there was a lack of creativity/imagination on Daboll's part or simply a matter of play-calling-redundancy cuz that's all the players could handle and actually execute, but imo his play-calling improved significantly as the season went on.
maybe the players showed enough growth he could open up the playbook a little more. don't know, and we may never find that out. good chance it was probably growing pains for both.
but...if Daboll's history is any indication, they will build on the experience of last year and should be able to hit the ground running this year after having a full year together. i'll give him credit for the fact he's still here and wait to see what they do before i get worried.
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The lowest rated player in the NFL was probably an all american somewhere before joining the pros.... They're all athletes....
A good coordinator creates matchups utilizing what he has and puts his players in a position to succeed....
Has Cribbs ever thrown a pass out of the WildDawg?? Have we ever run a reverse out of the WildDawg????
When the defense knows whats coming, they'll stop you 99% of the time....
A good coordinator keeps them guessing..........
Peace
T.Dawg
The lowest rated player in the NFL was probably an all american somewhere before joining the pros.... They're all athletes....
not disagreeing necessarily but you could have used a better example than Cribbs, T. Dawg.A good coordinator creates matchups utilizing what he has and puts his players in a position to succeed....
Has Cribbs ever thrown a pass out of the WildDawg?? Have we ever run a reverse out of the WildDawg????
When the defense knows whats coming, they'll stop you 99% of the time....
A good coordinator keeps them guessing..........
Peace
T.Dawg
JC had the option to throw on every one of those WildDawg plays and the reason he didn't had nothing to do with the play-calling and everything to do with Cribbs feeling like he had to put the entire team on his shoulders and win the game himself. not selfishly, just trying to "will the win" by himself (actually that might still be selfish in many books lol-slippery slope).
he said it himself numerous times well before the end of the season "they all know i'm keeping it, but they can't stop me". he even challenged opposing D's to try to stop him and they couldn't. if they could've he probably woulda threw it more but they didn't so it was what it was. it may not work as well this year but it definitely worked last.
When the defense knows whats coming, they'll stop you 99% of the time....
that's a pretty damn big 1%.
of NFL ball carriers with an average of 100 carries or more Josh Cribbs currently holds like the 4th or 5th best average ALL TIME with 6.9 yards per carry. did i mention that's all time?
it seemed to me last year first and foremost the Browns just ran plays they could actually execute>>>even if it meant running the same play 5X per game and even if the fans might accuse Daboll of not being an "exotic play-caller". whatever. let's hope it's in the rear view now.
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Seems to me the last 4 teams we played were not in the upper echelon of defensive teams....
Cribbs and the defense beat Pittsburgh not our run it down your throat offense....
This is the NFL--If the other team knows whats coming more often than not they will stop the play (99% is a figure of speach not an EXACT number).....
A one dimensiomal team may be a good team (Fouts & the chargers for example) but normally they don't win the whole thing....
Peace
T.Dawg
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