Matt Roth Wants Out
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I like the kind of straight forward language I am hearing from Heckert. I think this franchise is getting the right foundations for the long term going on and not bowing to player power. This is what will make us a solid prospect for growth, not having a revolving door of staff and "star" players chasing the dollar. I hope we keep Roth, I love an angry LB, but it's all about Cleveland and not individuals.
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I like the kind of straight forward language I am hearing from Heckert. I think this franchise is getting the right foundations for the long term going on and not bowing to player power. This is what will make us a solid prospect for growth, not having a revolving door of staff and "star" players chasing the dollar. I hope we keep Roth, I love an angry LB, but it's all about Cleveland and not individuals.
I like the kind of straight forward language I am hearing from Heckert. I think this franchise is getting the right foundations for the long term going on and not bowing to player power. This is what will make us a solid prospect for growth, not having a revolving door of staff and "star" players chasing the dollar. I hope we keep Roth, I love an angry LB, but it's all about Cleveland and not individuals.
I fully agree, i have went from skeptical and unsure of "hecktard" to absolutely lovin the guy..straight talk and honest assessment to both the fans and players (when possible) is important and heckert delivers...we are finally barking up the right tree and my confidence in this regime and the browns future is very high..
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Some of these guys need to make a showing at all of the practices, voluntary or not. Use to guys would come in here and hang up their cleats so to speak and not perform to their expectations because they knew nobody was pushing them.
The new guys in charge, Hecktard and Holmgren are not marshmallows that can be pushed around.
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I read here >>http://bleacherreport.com/articles/392160-...son-and-vickers<<that the agent for Roth is also the agent for Vickers and Harrison. Maybe that explains part of the hold out ?
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Winslow, Quinn...he's been behind just about every holdout we've had. he represents high dollar guys and makes them holdout, the more he has the better it works--when they are the starters. all he's done is hurt the guys he represents in CLE. but what can they do? it's the model.
Rosenhaus is easily my least favorite person in pro football.
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I try not to worry about things that are irrelevant. The only thing that the whole situation will come down to is who makes the bell when it rings for keeps . Can't do anything about it anyway , and there is to much good happening on the team to even spend any thought on it at all .
jmho
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irrelevant to what? Roth holding out is pretty relevant to my offseason. i guess you just post to be included and start caring in August then?
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I care every day . But see we have the dudes in question under raps already . You can worry about what you want to son............I was just sayin
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i hear ya, he's under contract. but how is it irrelevant? in the big picture all the middle drama doesn't necessarily get you to a different place but it fills the gasps and keeps it interesting, right? i think this Rosenhaus thing is a trend too, the writing seems to be on the wall with his clients. so why the chip on the shoulder? maybe our perspectives differ because for me it is just observing life--purely entertainment. but trust me, with all this LB depth nobody's losing sleep over whether MR shows up this year.
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I try not to worry about things that are irrelevant. The only thing that the whole situation will come down to is who makes the bell when it rings for keeps . Can't do anything about it anyway , and there is to much good happening on the team to even spend any thought on it at all .
jmho
I try not to worry about things that are irrelevant. The only thing that the whole situation will come down to is who makes the bell when it rings for keeps . Can't do anything about it anyway , and there is to much good happening on the team to even spend any thought on it at all .
jmho
I think I may understand this post & I agree with it. The irrelevance is that we are talking about players who are either unproven over the long haul or (as with Vickers) a one dimensional player. I'm not bad mouthing Vickers, I'm just saying that his offensive contributions have, to date, been blocking. These guys were not top picks & have not established enough of a track record of excellence to hold the Team "hostage" for the big bucks & long term deals until they better establish themselves.
If the current FO sees fit not to pay what they want, I'm good with that. We needed change in Cleveland & we're seeing it. That can't be a real bad thing.
Mike
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maybe as we all have our perspectives. NED has yet to explain his/hers, but i took it as "irrelevant to the Browns future success" as well. i just hate assuming, and often with clarification people find they are in agreement...or they might just be passive aggressive. who knows, people are funny.
we are as deep as i've seen at RB and LB, and added competition everywhere. i just imagine losing Wimbley, Jackson, and a Roth this time last year. there's no way. huge strides since then, but Roth is a nice piece i want to stick around.
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I really want to keep Roth too, but some of these players have to learn that they're in a position (as a waived player last year) where they have to prove for a year or two that they're worth the bigger bucks. I believe Roth WILL prove that & I hope it happens here in Northeast Ohio.
Mike
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MATT WHO????? F THAT BUM.
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yeah o.k. so when you and all of your buddies are sitting around having a couple of brews and talking football and specifically dominate defenses the name MATT ROTH rolls right of your tongue. pleeez! who am i? who the f are you? why don't you learn how to spell before you stomp on my opinion.
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yeah o.k. so when you and all of your buddies are sitting around having a couple of brews and talking football and specifically dominate defenses the name MATT ROTH rolls right of your tongue. pleeez! who am i? who the f are you? why don't you learn how to spell before you stomp on my opinion.
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yeah, sorry. i know everyone must be in line with everyone else on the board or you're not a true fan blah blah blah. listen i know the guy can play but to ask for a trade. my point/opinion: trade him if he demands it. and...........F THAT BUM!!!
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I don't worry about not showing up for voluntary workouts. You can't even call it a holdout.
They start holding out of regular camp, then you need to start to be concerned.
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yeah o.k. so when you and all of your buddies are sitting around having a couple of brews and talking football and specifically dominate defenses the name MATT ROTH rolls right of your tongue. pleeez! who am i? who the f are you? why don't you learn how to spell before you stomp on my opinion.
yeah o.k. so when you and all of your buddies are sitting around having a couple of brews and talking football and specifically dominate defenses the name MATT ROTH rolls right of your tongue. pleeez! who am i? who the f are you? why don't you learn how to spell before you stomp on my opinion.
I'm typing on a phone retread...
Just because you're another uneducated idiot that relies on espn for you opinion doesmt mean its a good one. Try watching some football, and perhaps listen to those here that know infonite amounts more than ypu before you open you're cry hole and prove how mamoth an idiot you are.
Have great day....
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