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  • 585Dawg 5
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    5 585Dawg wrote on last edited by
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    I REALLY want Vickers back.. In my eyes, this would be a HUGE loss if he did not return.. Did you guys watch him block last year!?!? That cat is out to get someone!

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      I REALLY want Vickers back.. In my eyes, this would be a HUGE loss if he did not return.. Did you guys watch him block last year!?!? That cat is out to get someone!

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      S SJ_Browns wrote on last edited by
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      @585dawg said:

      I REALLY want Vickers back.. In my eyes, this would be a HUGE loss if he did not return.. Did you guys watch him block last year!?!? That cat is out to get someone!

      vickers is a monster. i don't think the browns are going to let him go.

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        C clebron wrote on last edited by
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        DQ Softserve can walk for all I care

        Wali Rainer 2.0, when a team is as bad at stopping the run as the browns have been the past few years a MLB is going to get alot of tackles

        which doesn't necessarily mean that player is overly talented

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          NewEraDawgN NewEraDawg wrote on last edited by
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          Vickers and Roth are important but the bottom line is if we get Vickers signed I will be happy . Roth is good but I feel he brings a bad attitude with him from Fla. and we just don't need it . DQ is lucky to have the money he has been tendered in my opinion , and would be wise to sign and just STFU . Elam is a non entity in my book .

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          • HowieDawgH HowieDawg

            I didn't want Elam back this season but according to this looks like he will sign. I wanted Roth to stay but his antics might see him marginalised which disappoints me. Jackson can shove it frankly.

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            GipsG Gips wrote on last edited by Gips
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            @howiedawg said:

            I didn't want Elam back this season but according to this looks like he will sign. I wanted Roth to stay but his antics might see him marginalised which disappoints me. Jackson can shove it frankly.

            I didnt want elam back either but hey even a mediocre backup needs a team to play on and thats what unhonest abe will be this time around...an overpaid backup and a fresh but slug slow pair of rotation legs for when an actual quality starter in the secondary gets tired from all that tight coverage, blitzing and sacking and they need to rest..putting "slow mo no ballhawking" elam in may be the only opportunity the other teams get to score this year but he is a slight upgrade to poteat...hehehehe 😉

            I also like roth but agree his "me greed first antics" are rubbing me wrong and imho jackson isnt worth much to our 3-4...

            We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
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            • NewEraDawgN NewEraDawg

              Vickers and Roth are important but the bottom line is if we get Vickers signed I will be happy . Roth is good but I feel he brings a bad attitude with him from Fla. and we just don't need it . DQ is lucky to have the money he has been tendered in my opinion , and would be wise to sign and just STFU . Elam is a non entity in my book .

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              5 585Dawg wrote on last edited by
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              @neweradawg said:

              Vickers and Roth are important but the bottom line is if we get Vickers signed I will be happy . Roth is good but I feel he brings a bad attitude with him from Fla. and we just don't need it . DQ is lucky to have the money he has been tendered in my opinion , and would be wise to sign and just STFU . Elam is a non entity in my book .

              Totally agree about Elam.. could care less if he did not return.. He showed me nothing last year. I did like Roth and would like to see him return though... the dude just wants to get paid like everyone else... let the game play its course.. Vickers and Roth..

              I almost feel bad for Harrison.. I really like him a lot too.. he seems to get shafted every year! The old regime puts him in.. he makes a HUGE play.. gets benched for the game... New regime.. has a BREAKOUT end of season.. now they aren't signing him.. Oh well.. it is completely out of our control.. we are just along for the ride..

              Vickers, Roth, Harrison..

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                B Bag O'Browns wrote on last edited by
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                None of these guys have ANY leverage, so good luck on the holdouts. It is starting to make a LOT more sense as to WHY we were able to get Roth and WHY he was waived. I don't mind the players trying to negotiate into a better situation but understand to what level and advantage you are dealing from and move from there.

                I'm hopeful we re-sign all of them and that it doesn't drag out. I think Jackson actually will fall in line quicker than Roth.

                In order to appreciate the top you have to spend some time at the bottom.
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                  @585dawg said:

                  I REALLY want Vickers back.. In my eyes, this would be a HUGE loss if he did not return.. Did you guys watch him block last year!?!? That cat is out to get someone!

                  vickers is a monster. i don't think the browns are going to let him go.

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                  ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                  @sj_browns said:

                  vickers is a monster. i don't think the browns are going to let him go.

                  Don't get me wrong....I like Vickers, but blocking backs don't thrill me all that much.

                  If he could catch or run a bit I would be more excited, but as it stands, we could put a smaller, back-up guard back there and do just as well.

                  I really don't think Vickers is in the plans with Hollis in town.

                  I think we are looking for a two headed monster in the backfield much like Mack and Byner....Vickers does't meet the requirements......he blocks and little else.

                  If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                    C CLEVELandMILIDH wrote on last edited by
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                    DQ tweeted this 2 weeks ago. "I appreciate all the concern about my situ with the browns & to the fans I will be a brown this year. Either way the season begins in sept!"

                    1st Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU 3rd Darius Slay, CB, Mississippi State4th Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma5th Earl Wolff, S, N.C. State6th Lucas Reed, TE, New Mexico
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                      Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on last edited by
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                      Vickers-I agree with Peen, & that's that Vickers is basically just a blocker.

                      DQ-He led a weak team in tackles, but VERY FEW for a loss. I've said it before & my tune hasn't changed.....He is NOT a disruptive/playmaking LB, he is a pursuit LB. I would like to know what the average gain is for the opposition on the plays where he makes the tackle. My bet is most are downfield.

                      Roth-I like his game, but I question his attitude. Before getting the long term deal, he has to establish a track record & that doesn't happen in 1/2 a season or less.

                      Harrison-He'd better show what he can do against solid competition, because Hardesty & Hillis are NOT stiffs.

                      Elam-As weak as our DB was last year, we still don't know what he can contribute

                      No matter what happens, I trust our decision makers, but if I was a player thinking I'm worth big bucks, I'm gonna be at EVERY drill, OTA, etc to PROVE I'm worth it. I'm not a fan of holdouts...not for voluntary workouts or whatever. If you want a job & a paycheck, you'll not earn it in absentia!

                      Mike

                      IN DORSEY I TRUST
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                        ThaakT Thaak wrote on last edited by
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                        I like being able to discuss these articles on this board, but guys, you can't copy and paste entire articles from the subscription part of the OBR. That's copyright infringement.

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                          S SJ_Browns wrote on last edited by SJ_Browns
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                          Vickers-I agree with Peen, & that's that Vickers is basically just a blocker.

                          i think i speak for myself and the other fan who gave props to vickers by saying we gave vickers props for being a great blocking back for the browns. he has alot of value for the browns in that manner and i hope the browns keep him.

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                            halfsaneH halfsane wrote on last edited by
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                            Zombo as usual, is the voice of reason around here!

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                              B Bag O'Browns wrote on last edited by
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                              Zombo said:

                              Vickers is "just a blocker" like a three-inch thick porterhouse is "just a steak".

                              Vickers was just as valuable to our late season running over people as was Harrison. When we finally used Vickers as the battering ram he is, we started rolling on offense.

                              Any illusion that Hillis is now the man at fullback is insane. If Hillis makes the team it will be because of his versatility. Vickers will be the fullback/battering ram again ... and if he plays like he did toward the end of last year he is a Pro Bowl fullback.

                              Zombo

                              To add onto what Zombo is saying, i actually also think we've under-used Vickers on offense. The guy has some power and a decent level of speed and not too terrible hands, from what i've seen. I'd like to see Browns use him more often in those roles too, although he does block the hell out of people and that probably tires him out fairly well.

                              Hillis will challenge Vickers and that is a good thing but i don't see him beating him out unless he blocks close to the same level.

                              In order to appreciate the top you have to spend some time at the bottom.
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                                NewEraDawgN NewEraDawg wrote on last edited by
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                                After reading Peen's and others I have also realized with the additions to the o-line and the bringing in Hillis , We might be able to avoid a bigger contract for Vickers and rely on the changes . That would leave some money for other areas of need . I don't know. But I still like Vickers for not only his blocking , but special teams work as well . Ask Josh .

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                                  Zombo said:

                                  Vickers is "just a blocker" like a three-inch thick porterhouse is "just a steak".

                                  Vickers was just as valuable to our late season running over people as was Harrison. When we finally used Vickers as the battering ram he is, we started rolling on offense.

                                  Any illusion that Hillis is now the man at fullback is insane. If Hillis makes the team it will be because of his versatility. Vickers will be the fullback/battering ram again ... and if he plays like he did toward the end of last year he is a Pro Bowl fullback.

                                  Zombo

                                  To add onto what Zombo is saying, i actually also think we've under-used Vickers on offense. The guy has some power and a decent level of speed and not too terrible hands, from what i've seen. I'd like to see Browns use him more often in those roles too, although he does block the hell out of people and that probably tires him out fairly well.

                                  Hillis will challenge Vickers and that is a good thing but i don't see him beating him out unless he blocks close to the same level.

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                                  ThaakT Thaak wrote on last edited by
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                                  @bag-o-browns said:

                                  To add onto what Zombo is saying, i actually also think we've under-used Vickers on offense. The guy has some power and a decent level of speed and not too terrible hands, from what i've seen. I'd like to see Browns use him more often in those roles too, although he does block the hell out of people and that probably tires him out fairly well.

                                  Hillis will challenge Vickers and that is a good thing but i don't see him beating him out unless he blocks close to the same level.

                                  Seems like everytime they tried to do a swing pass to Vickers, he didn't go well. That is likely because of the turds we had at QB and not Vickers. But if he can catch about 15 to 20 passes a season, I see him becoming a Rathman type who's a better blocker.

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                                    @bag-o-browns said:

                                    To add onto what Zombo is saying, i actually also think we've under-used Vickers on offense. The guy has some power and a decent level of speed and not too terrible hands, from what i've seen. I'd like to see Browns use him more often in those roles too, although he does block the hell out of people and that probably tires him out fairly well.

                                    Hillis will challenge Vickers and that is a good thing but i don't see him beating him out unless he blocks close to the same level.

                                    Seems like everytime they tried to do a swing pass to Vickers, he didn't go well. That is likely because of the turds we had at QB and not Vickers. But if he can catch about 15 to 20 passes a season, I see him becoming a Rathman type who's a better blocker.

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                                    B Bag O'Browns wrote on last edited by
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                                    @thaak said:

                                    Seems like everytime they tried to do a swing pass to Vickers, he didn't go well. That is likely because of the turds we had at QB and not Vickers. But if he can catch about 15 to 20 passes a season, I see him becoming a Rathman type who's a better blocker.

                                    I could easily see that happening with the addition of a solid structure in place. I thought we were beginning to see if before the disaster of last season but he seemed to regress in that department. I'd love a Rathman-esque contribution from him offensively.

                                    In order to appreciate the top you have to spend some time at the bottom.
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                                      S SJ_Browns wrote on last edited by
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                                      Zombo said:

                                      Vickers is "just a blocker" like a three-inch thick porterhouse is "just a steak".

                                      Vickers was just as valuable to our late season running over people as was Harrison. When we finally used Vickers as the battering ram he is, we started rolling on offense.

                                      Any illusion that Hillis is now the man at fullback is insane. If Hillis makes the team it will be because of his versatility. Vickers will be the fullback/battering ram again ... and if he plays like he did toward the end of last year he is a Pro Bowl fullback.

                                      Zombo

                                      my feelings exactly. to downplay vickers ability to be a great blocker for the browns rbs is foolish. i think hillis will bring versatility to the browns offense, but imo he's not here to replace vickers.

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                                        ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by ballpeen
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                                        I just like running backs who can run and catch.

                                        Sure, Vickers is a great blocker. If blocking is what you like out of the position, great, he's the guy.

                                        Me, I like people lined up in the backfield to do more than block.

                                        Fridge Perry was a great lead blocker...he even scored a TD or two.

                                        FB....over rated position, and based on the urgency at which the Browns feel they need to sign the guy, it seems they feel the same.

                                        Just the facts.

                                        If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                          I just like running backs who can run and catch.

                                          Sure, Vickers is a great blocker. If blocking is what you like out of the position, great, he's the guy.

                                          Me, I like people lined up in the backfield to do more than block.

                                          Fridge Perry was a great lead blocker...he even scored a TD or two.

                                          FB....over rated position, and based on the urgency at which the Browns feel they need to sign the guy, it seems they feel the same.

                                          Just the facts.

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                                          NewEraDawgN NewEraDawg wrote on last edited by
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                                          @ballpeen said:

                                          I just like running backs who can run and catch.

                                          Sure, Vickers is a great blocker. If blocking is what you like out of the position, great, he's the guy.

                                          Me, I like people lined up in the backfield to do more than block.

                                          Fridge Perry was a great lead blocker...he even scored a TD or two.

                                          FB....over rated position, and based on the urgency at which the Browns feel they need to sign the guy, it seems they feel the same.

                                          Just the facts.

                                          Well I like the Mangini virtue of multi-talents , so I can't argue with this other than to say Vickers is good on special teams , and also can catch the ball when the ball gets thrown by someone that has some touch .

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