The Clock Starts - OBR article
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None of these guys have ANY leverage, so good luck on the holdouts. It is starting to make a LOT more sense as to WHY we were able to get Roth and WHY he was waived. I don't mind the players trying to negotiate into a better situation but understand to what level and advantage you are dealing from and move from there.
I'm hopeful we re-sign all of them and that it doesn't drag out. I think Jackson actually will fall in line quicker than Roth.
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vickers is a monster. i don't think the browns are going to let him go.
Don't get me wrong....I like Vickers, but blocking backs don't thrill me all that much.
If he could catch or run a bit I would be more excited, but as it stands, we could put a smaller, back-up guard back there and do just as well.
I really don't think Vickers is in the plans with Hollis in town.
I think we are looking for a two headed monster in the backfield much like Mack and Byner....Vickers does't meet the requirements......he blocks and little else.
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DQ tweeted this 2 weeks ago. "I appreciate all the concern about my situ with the browns & to the fans I will be a brown this year. Either way the season begins in sept!"
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Vickers-I agree with Peen, & that's that Vickers is basically just a blocker.
DQ-He led a weak team in tackles, but VERY FEW for a loss. I've said it before & my tune hasn't changed.....He is NOT a disruptive/playmaking LB, he is a pursuit LB. I would like to know what the average gain is for the opposition on the plays where he makes the tackle. My bet is most are downfield.
Roth-I like his game, but I question his attitude. Before getting the long term deal, he has to establish a track record & that doesn't happen in 1/2 a season or less.
Harrison-He'd better show what he can do against solid competition, because Hardesty & Hillis are NOT stiffs.
Elam-As weak as our DB was last year, we still don't know what he can contribute
No matter what happens, I trust our decision makers, but if I was a player thinking I'm worth big bucks, I'm gonna be at EVERY drill, OTA, etc to PROVE I'm worth it. I'm not a fan of holdouts...not for voluntary workouts or whatever. If you want a job & a paycheck, you'll not earn it in absentia!
Mike
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Vickers-I agree with Peen, & that's that Vickers is basically just a blocker.
i think i speak for myself and the other fan who gave props to vickers by saying we gave vickers props for being a great blocking back for the browns. he has alot of value for the browns in that manner and i hope the browns keep him.
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Zombo as usual, is the voice of reason around here!
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Zombo said:
Vickers is "just a blocker" like a three-inch thick porterhouse is "just a steak".Vickers was just as valuable to our late season running over people as was Harrison. When we finally used Vickers as the battering ram he is, we started rolling on offense.
Any illusion that Hillis is now the man at fullback is insane. If Hillis makes the team it will be because of his versatility. Vickers will be the fullback/battering ram again ... and if he plays like he did toward the end of last year he is a Pro Bowl fullback.
Zombo
To add onto what Zombo is saying, i actually also think we've under-used Vickers on offense. The guy has some power and a decent level of speed and not too terrible hands, from what i've seen. I'd like to see Browns use him more often in those roles too, although he does block the hell out of people and that probably tires him out fairly well.
Hillis will challenge Vickers and that is a good thing but i don't see him beating him out unless he blocks close to the same level.
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After reading Peen's and others I have also realized with the additions to the o-line and the bringing in Hillis , We might be able to avoid a bigger contract for Vickers and rely on the changes . That would leave some money for other areas of need . I don't know. But I still like Vickers for not only his blocking , but special teams work as well . Ask Josh .
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Zombo said:
Vickers is "just a blocker" like a three-inch thick porterhouse is "just a steak".Vickers was just as valuable to our late season running over people as was Harrison. When we finally used Vickers as the battering ram he is, we started rolling on offense.
Any illusion that Hillis is now the man at fullback is insane. If Hillis makes the team it will be because of his versatility. Vickers will be the fullback/battering ram again ... and if he plays like he did toward the end of last year he is a Pro Bowl fullback.
Zombo
To add onto what Zombo is saying, i actually also think we've under-used Vickers on offense. The guy has some power and a decent level of speed and not too terrible hands, from what i've seen. I'd like to see Browns use him more often in those roles too, although he does block the hell out of people and that probably tires him out fairly well.
Hillis will challenge Vickers and that is a good thing but i don't see him beating him out unless he blocks close to the same level.
To add onto what Zombo is saying, i actually also think we've under-used Vickers on offense. The guy has some power and a decent level of speed and not too terrible hands, from what i've seen. I'd like to see Browns use him more often in those roles too, although he does block the hell out of people and that probably tires him out fairly well.
Hillis will challenge Vickers and that is a good thing but i don't see him beating him out unless he blocks close to the same level.
Seems like everytime they tried to do a swing pass to Vickers, he didn't go well. That is likely because of the turds we had at QB and not Vickers. But if he can catch about 15 to 20 passes a season, I see him becoming a Rathman type who's a better blocker.
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To add onto what Zombo is saying, i actually also think we've under-used Vickers on offense. The guy has some power and a decent level of speed and not too terrible hands, from what i've seen. I'd like to see Browns use him more often in those roles too, although he does block the hell out of people and that probably tires him out fairly well.
Hillis will challenge Vickers and that is a good thing but i don't see him beating him out unless he blocks close to the same level.
Seems like everytime they tried to do a swing pass to Vickers, he didn't go well. That is likely because of the turds we had at QB and not Vickers. But if he can catch about 15 to 20 passes a season, I see him becoming a Rathman type who's a better blocker.
Seems like everytime they tried to do a swing pass to Vickers, he didn't go well. That is likely because of the turds we had at QB and not Vickers. But if he can catch about 15 to 20 passes a season, I see him becoming a Rathman type who's a better blocker.
I could easily see that happening with the addition of a solid structure in place. I thought we were beginning to see if before the disaster of last season but he seemed to regress in that department. I'd love a Rathman-esque contribution from him offensively.
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Zombo said:
Vickers is "just a blocker" like a three-inch thick porterhouse is "just a steak".Vickers was just as valuable to our late season running over people as was Harrison. When we finally used Vickers as the battering ram he is, we started rolling on offense.
Any illusion that Hillis is now the man at fullback is insane. If Hillis makes the team it will be because of his versatility. Vickers will be the fullback/battering ram again ... and if he plays like he did toward the end of last year he is a Pro Bowl fullback.
Zombo
my feelings exactly. to downplay vickers ability to be a great blocker for the browns rbs is foolish. i think hillis will bring versatility to the browns offense, but imo he's not here to replace vickers.
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I just like running backs who can run and catch.
Sure, Vickers is a great blocker. If blocking is what you like out of the position, great, he's the guy.
Me, I like people lined up in the backfield to do more than block.
Fridge Perry was a great lead blocker...he even scored a TD or two.
FB....over rated position, and based on the urgency at which the Browns feel they need to sign the guy, it seems they feel the same.
Just the facts.
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I just like running backs who can run and catch.
Sure, Vickers is a great blocker. If blocking is what you like out of the position, great, he's the guy.
Me, I like people lined up in the backfield to do more than block.
Fridge Perry was a great lead blocker...he even scored a TD or two.
FB....over rated position, and based on the urgency at which the Browns feel they need to sign the guy, it seems they feel the same.
Just the facts.
I just like running backs who can run and catch.
Sure, Vickers is a great blocker. If blocking is what you like out of the position, great, he's the guy.
Me, I like people lined up in the backfield to do more than block.
Fridge Perry was a great lead blocker...he even scored a TD or two.
FB....over rated position, and based on the urgency at which the Browns feel they need to sign the guy, it seems they feel the same.
Just the facts.
Well I like the Mangini virtue of multi-talents , so I can't argue with this other than to say Vickers is good on special teams , and also can catch the ball when the ball gets thrown by someone that has some touch .
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