Question on fan loyalty
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Question, how can Raleigh with a reported population of 401,552 be ranked 26 and Columbus coming in with 754,885 slotted at 34??? Odd; either way my choices / best guess are above
Because they're including Durham and Chapel Hill (UNC & Duke) in the "metro area". Chapel Hill is a stretch. By that count the Cleveland "metro area" should include Lorain to Painesville, and everything north of Brunswick.
Because they're including Durham and Chapel Hill (UNC & Duke) in the "metro area". Chapel Hill is a stretch. By that count the Cleveland "metro area" should include Lorain to Painesville, and everything north of Brunswick.
It actually includes everything you mention plus down to south of Canton.
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Because they're including Durham and Chapel Hill (UNC & Duke) in the "metro area". Chapel Hill is a stretch. By that count the Cleveland "metro area" should include Lorain to Painesville, and everything north of Brunswick.
It actually includes everything you mention plus down to south of Canton.
It actually includes everything you mention plus down to south of Canton.
The reason Columbus is so large is that they incorporated Franklin county. If Cleveland were to incorporate Cuyahoga it would be higher in population.
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It really doesn't matter.....everything is based on metro area. For marketing purposes, all of it is Cleveland TV Market....Mentor, Lorain
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It really doesn't matter.....everything is based on metro area. For marketing purposes, all of it is Cleveland TV Market....Mentor, Lorain
It really doesn't matter.....everything is based on metro area. For marketing purposes, all of it is Cleveland TV Market....Mentor, Lorain
Correct, as I have said, the NFL is all about the TV market. Here are the Nielsen DMAs which I believe I may have posted before:
2008-09 2009-10 2009 2010
Rank Rank Difference DMA Name TV Homes TV Homes
1 1 New York 7,433,820 7,493,530
2 2 Los Angeles 5,654,260 5,659,170
3 3 Chicago 3,492,850 3,501,010
4 4 Philadelphia 2,950,220 2,955,190
5 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,489,970 2,544,410
6 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,476,450 2,503,400
7 7 Boston (Manchester) 2,409,080 2,410,180
8 8 Atlanta 2,369,780 2,387,520
9 9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,321,610 2,335,040
10 10 Houston 2,106,210 2,123,460
11 11 Detroit 1,926,970 1,890,220
12 12 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,855,930 1,873,930
14 13 +1 Seattle-Tacoma 1,819,970 1,833,990
13 14 -1 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,822,160 1,805,810
15 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,730,530 1,732,050
18 16 +2 Denver 1,524,210 1,539,380
16 17 -1 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,546,920 1,538,090
17 18 -1 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,524,930 1,520,750
19 19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,466,420 1,455,620
20 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,399,520 1,404,580
21 21 St. Louis 1,249,820 1,249,450
22 22 Portland, OR 1,175,100 1,188,770
23 23 Pittsburgh 1,156,460 1,154,950
24 24 Charlotte 1,122,860 1,147,910
25 25 Indianapolis 1,114,970 1,119,760
27 26 +1 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,080,680 1,107,820
26 27 -1 Baltimore 1,102,080 1,093,170
28 28 San Diego 1,066,680 1,073,390
29 29 Nashville 1,016,290 1,019,010
30 30 Hartford & New Haven 1,014,990 1,010,630
33 31 +2 Salt Lake City 919,390 944,060
31 32 -1 Kansas City 937,970 941,360
34 33 +1 Cincinnati 915,570 918,670
32 34 -2 Columbus, OH 925,840 904,030
35 35 Milwaukee 905,350 901,790
36 36 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 858,050 865,810
37 37 San Antonio 818,560 830,000
38 38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 779,430 776,080
41 39 +2 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 738,880 743,4
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Speaking for Greenville/Spartanburg (#36):
Years ago folks who lived around here were primarily Dallas fans. Atlanta has never been an attractive choice for some reason. People watch the Falcons but I can't say I've ever seen any fans.
Judging by the gear the kids wear, I'd say the Panthers have more fans but you just don't see much Panthers paraphernalia on cars and such. People are more likely to display Clemson or Carolina loyalties.
As for the Sports Bars I've been in (a total of three or four) the Pittsburgh fans seem to be more plentiful. In fact, I was at a place last week and the guy running the trivia contest is a Pittsburgh fan who claims he "used to be a Browns fan." There's a fairly active Browns Backers group here in Greenville. I haven't been to a club to watch a game since before smoking was banned.
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It really doesn't matter.....everything is based on metro area. For marketing purposes, all of it is Cleveland TV Market....Mentor, Lorain
Correct, as I have said, the NFL is all about the TV market. Here are the Nielsen DMAs which I believe I may have posted before:
2008-09 2009-10 2009 2010
Rank Rank Difference DMA Name TV Homes TV Homes
1 1 New York 7,433,820 7,493,530
2 2 Los Angeles 5,654,260 5,659,170
3 3 Chicago 3,492,850 3,501,010
4 4 Philadelphia 2,950,220 2,955,190
5 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,489,970 2,544,410
6 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,476,450 2,503,400
7 7 Boston (Manchester) 2,409,080 2,410,180
8 8 Atlanta 2,369,780 2,387,520
9 9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,321,610 2,335,040
10 10 Houston 2,106,210 2,123,460
11 11 Detroit 1,926,970 1,890,220
12 12 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,855,930 1,873,930
14 13 +1 Seattle-Tacoma 1,819,970 1,833,990
13 14 -1 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,822,160 1,805,810
15 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,730,530 1,732,050
18 16 +2 Denver 1,524,210 1,539,380
16 17 -1 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,546,920 1,538,090
17 18 -1 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,524,930 1,520,750
19 19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,466,420 1,455,620
20 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,399,520 1,404,580
21 21 St. Louis 1,249,820 1,249,450
22 22 Portland, OR 1,175,100 1,188,770
23 23 Pittsburgh 1,156,460 1,154,950
24 24 Charlotte 1,122,860 1,147,910
25 25 Indianapolis 1,114,970 1,119,760
27 26 +1 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,080,680 1,107,820
26 27 -1 Baltimore 1,102,080 1,093,170
28 28 San Diego 1,066,680 1,073,390
29 29 Nashville 1,016,290 1,019,010
30 30 Hartford & New Haven 1,014,990 1,010,630
33 31 +2 Salt Lake City 919,390 944,060
31 32 -1 Kansas City 937,970 941,360
34 33 +1 Cincinnati 915,570 918,670
32 34 -2 Columbus, OH 925,840 904,030
35 35 Milwaukee 905,350 901,790
36 36 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 858,050 865,810
37 37 San Antonio 818,560 830,000
38 38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 779,430 776,080
41 39 +2 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 738,880 743,4
Correct, as I have said, the NFL is all about the TV market. Here are the Nielsen DMAs which I believe I may have posted before:
2008-09 2009-10 2009 2010
Rank Rank Difference DMA Name TV Homes TV Homes
1 1 New York 7,433,820 7,493,530
2 2 Los Angeles 5,654,260 5,659,170
3 3 Chicago 3,492,850 3,501,010
4 4 Philadelphia 2,950,220 2,955,190
5 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,489,970 2,544,410
6 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,476,450 2,503,400
7 7 Boston (Manchester) 2,409,080 2,410,180
8 8 Atlanta 2,369,780 2,387,520
9 9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,321,610 2,335,040
10 10 Houston 2,106,210 2,123,460
11 11 Detroit 1,926,970 1,890,220
12 12 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,855,930 1,873,930
14 13 +1 Seattle-Tacoma 1,819,970 1,833,990
13 14 -1 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,822,160 1,805,810
15 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,730,530 1,732,050
18 16 +2 Denver 1,524,210 1,539,380
16 17 -1 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,546,920 1,538,090
17 18 -1 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,524,930 1,520,750
19 19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,466,420 1,455,620
20 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,399,520 1,404,580
21 21 St. Louis 1,249,820 1,249,450
22 22 Portland, OR 1,175,100 1,188,770
23 23 Pittsburgh 1,156,460 1,154,950
24 24 Charlotte 1,122,860 1,147,910
25 25 Indianapolis 1,114,970 1,119,760
27 26 +1 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,080,680 1,107,820
26 27 -1 Baltimore 1,102,080 1,093,170
28 28 San Diego 1,066,680 1,073,390
29 29 Nashville 1,016,290 1,019,010
30 30 Hartford & New Haven 1,014,990 1,010,630
33 31 +2 Salt Lake City 919,390 944,060
31 32 -1 Kansas City 937,970 941,360
34 33 +1 Cincinnati 915,570 918,670
32 34 -2 Columbus, OH 925,840 904,030
35 35 Milwaukee 905,350 901,790
36 36 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 858,050 865,810
37 37 San Antonio 818,560 830,000
38 38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 779,430 776,080
41 39 +2 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 738,880 743,4
sleep apnea induced, wall shaking snore
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Thinking back, I was pulling for the Hawks as well...and even with the Steelers or the others, it is probably better defined as pulling for rather than rooting for.
Thinking back, I was pulling for the Hawks as well...and even with the Steelers or the others, it is probably better defined as pulling for rather than rooting for.
why don't you try to root your head out of your ask.....communist
f the stoolers
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It really doesn't matter.....everything is based on metro area. For marketing purposes, all of it is Cleveland TV Market....Mentor, Lorain
Correct, as I have said, the NFL is all about the TV market. Here are the Nielsen DMAs which I believe I may have posted before:
2008-09 2009-10 2009 2010
Rank Rank Difference DMA Name TV Homes TV Homes
1 1 New York 7,433,820 7,493,530
2 2 Los Angeles 5,654,260 5,659,170
3 3 Chicago 3,492,850 3,501,010
4 4 Philadelphia 2,950,220 2,955,190
5 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,489,970 2,544,410
6 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,476,450 2,503,400
7 7 Boston (Manchester) 2,409,080 2,410,180
8 8 Atlanta 2,369,780 2,387,520
9 9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,321,610 2,335,040
10 10 Houston 2,106,210 2,123,460
11 11 Detroit 1,926,970 1,890,220
12 12 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,855,930 1,873,930
14 13 +1 Seattle-Tacoma 1,819,970 1,833,990
13 14 -1 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,822,160 1,805,810
15 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,730,530 1,732,050
18 16 +2 Denver 1,524,210 1,539,380
16 17 -1 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,546,920 1,538,090
17 18 -1 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,524,930 1,520,750
19 19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,466,420 1,455,620
20 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,399,520 1,404,580
21 21 St. Louis 1,249,820 1,249,450
22 22 Portland, OR 1,175,100 1,188,770
23 23 Pittsburgh 1,156,460 1,154,950
24 24 Charlotte 1,122,860 1,147,910
25 25 Indianapolis 1,114,970 1,119,760
27 26 +1 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,080,680 1,107,820
26 27 -1 Baltimore 1,102,080 1,093,170
28 28 San Diego 1,066,680 1,073,390
29 29 Nashville 1,016,290 1,019,010
30 30 Hartford & New Haven 1,014,990 1,010,630
33 31 +2 Salt Lake City 919,390 944,060
31 32 -1 Kansas City 937,970 941,360
34 33 +1 Cincinnati 915,570 918,670
32 34 -2 Columbus, OH 925,840 904,030
35 35 Milwaukee 905,350 901,790
36 36 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 858,050 865,810
37 37 San Antonio 818,560 830,000
38 38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 779,430 776,080
41 39 +2 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 738,880 743,4
Correct, as I have said, the NFL is all about the TV market. Here are the Nielsen DMAs which I believe I may have posted before:
2008-09 2009-10 2009 2010
Rank Rank Difference DMA Name TV Homes TV Homes
1 1 New York 7,433,820 7,493,530
2 2 Los Angeles 5,654,260 5,659,170
3 3 Chicago 3,492,850 3,501,010
4 4 Philadelphia 2,950,220 2,955,190
5 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,489,970 2,544,410
6 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,476,450 2,503,400
7 7 Boston (Manchester) 2,409,080 2,410,180
8 8 Atlanta 2,369,780 2,387,520
9 9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,321,610 2,335,040
10 10 Houston 2,106,210 2,123,460
11 11 Detroit 1,926,970 1,890,220
12 12 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,855,930 1,873,930
14 13 +1 Seattle-Tacoma 1,819,970 1,833,990
13 14 -1 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,822,160 1,805,810
15 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,730,530 1,732,050
18 16 +2 Denver 1,524,210 1,539,380
16 17 -1 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,546,920 1,538,090
17 18 -1 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,524,930 1,520,750
19 19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,466,420 1,455,620
20 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,399,520 1,404,580
21 21 St. Louis 1,249,820 1,249,450
22 22 Portland, OR 1,175,100 1,188,770
23 23 Pittsburgh 1,156,460 1,154,950
24 24 Charlotte 1,122,860 1,147,910
25 25 Indianapolis 1,114,970 1,119,760
27 26 +1 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,080,680 1,107,820
26 27 -1 Baltimore 1,102,080 1,093,170
28 28 San Diego 1,066,680 1,073,390
29 29 Nashville 1,016,290 1,019,010
30 30 Hartford & New Haven 1,014,990 1,010,630
33 31 +2 Salt Lake City 919,390 944,060
31 32 -1 Kansas City 937,970 941,360
34 33 +1 Cincinnati 915,570 918,670
32 34 -2 Columbus, OH 925,840 904,030
35 35 Milwaukee 905,350 901,790
36 36 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 858,050 865,810
37 37 San Antonio 818,560 830,000
38 38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 779,430 776,080
41 39 +2 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 738,880 743,4
Not sure where you got these numbers but they are not even close to the real TV markets for a lot of these teams.......especially those who metro areas exceed the numbers you quoted
Offense Wins.......Franchise QB's are the key.............Defense keeps you in the game.........Go Buckeyes -
Rich is absolutely not a fan of the Browns.
BY DEFINITION, you cannot be a fan of both the Browns AND either the Steelers or Ravens.
You can be a champion-chaser. You can also be a moron. But you can't be a fan.
Loyalty matters. The definition of the term "fan" isn't up for debate. Ballpeen and rich, your definition was rejected long ago. You are welcome to go talk amongst yourselves - but don't run that line of BS in here.
Rich is absolutely not a fan of the Browns.
BY DEFINITION, you cannot be a fan of both the Browns AND either the Steelers or Ravens.
You can be a champion-chaser. You can also be a moron. But you can't be a fan.
Loyalty matters. The definition of the term "fan" isn't up for debate. Ballpeen and rich, your definition was rejected long ago. You are welcome to go talk amongst yourselves - but don't run that line of BS in here.
You are friigiging totally stupid............by definition a FAN is short of Fanatic and fanatic means you really want that team to win................so by definition a fanatic can root for as many teams as he wishes............and a moronic less that intelligent fool will limit that to ONE TEAM.......thus you are a complete mental midget....among masses of mental midgets
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No offense intended, but for the life of me, I can't comprehend how anyone could root for the Steelers and Browns....
You have to cross that mark in the sand one way or the other..... It's impossible to be a fan of both teams....
Coming from a family of hard core Steeler fans, (my father grew up a few houses away from Art Rooney Sr and they life long friends) Theres no way you can root for both....It's in the blood from around age 8 to 10 and you become a fan for life...
Peace
T.Dawg
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Correct, as I have said, the NFL is all about the TV market. Here are the Nielsen DMAs which I believe I may have posted before:
2008-09 2009-10 2009 2010
Rank Rank Difference DMA Name TV Homes TV Homes
1 1 New York 7,433,820 7,493,530
2 2 Los Angeles 5,654,260 5,659,170
3 3 Chicago 3,492,850 3,501,010
4 4 Philadelphia 2,950,220 2,955,190
5 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,489,970 2,544,410
6 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,476,450 2,503,400
7 7 Boston (Manchester) 2,409,080 2,410,180
8 8 Atlanta 2,369,780 2,387,520
9 9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,321,610 2,335,040
10 10 Houston 2,106,210 2,123,460
11 11 Detroit 1,926,970 1,890,220
12 12 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,855,930 1,873,930
14 13 +1 Seattle-Tacoma 1,819,970 1,833,990
13 14 -1 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,822,160 1,805,810
15 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,730,530 1,732,050
18 16 +2 Denver 1,524,210 1,539,380
16 17 -1 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,546,920 1,538,090
17 18 -1 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,524,930 1,520,750
19 19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,466,420 1,455,620
20 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,399,520 1,404,580
21 21 St. Louis 1,249,820 1,249,450
22 22 Portland, OR 1,175,100 1,188,770
23 23 Pittsburgh 1,156,460 1,154,950
24 24 Charlotte 1,122,860 1,147,910
25 25 Indianapolis 1,114,970 1,119,760
27 26 +1 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,080,680 1,107,820
26 27 -1 Baltimore 1,102,080 1,093,170
28 28 San Diego 1,066,680 1,073,390
29 29 Nashville 1,016,290 1,019,010
30 30 Hartford & New Haven 1,014,990 1,010,630
33 31 +2 Salt Lake City 919,390 944,060
31 32 -1 Kansas City 937,970 941,360
34 33 +1 Cincinnati 915,570 918,670
32 34 -2 Columbus, OH 925,840 904,030
35 35 Milwaukee 905,350 901,790
36 36 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 858,050 865,810
37 37 San Antonio 818,560 830,000
38 38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 779,430 776,080
41 39 +2 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 738,880 743,4
sleep apnea induced, wall shaking snore
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Correct, as I have said, the NFL is all about the TV market. Here are the Nielsen DMAs which I believe I may have posted before:
2008-09 2009-10 2009 2010
Rank Rank Difference DMA Name TV Homes TV Homes
1 1 New York 7,433,820 7,493,530
2 2 Los Angeles 5,654,260 5,659,170
3 3 Chicago 3,492,850 3,501,010
4 4 Philadelphia 2,950,220 2,955,190
5 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,489,970 2,544,410
6 6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,476,450 2,503,400
7 7 Boston (Manchester) 2,409,080 2,410,180
8 8 Atlanta 2,369,780 2,387,520
9 9 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,321,610 2,335,040
10 10 Houston 2,106,210 2,123,460
11 11 Detroit 1,926,970 1,890,220
12 12 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,855,930 1,873,930
14 13 +1 Seattle-Tacoma 1,819,970 1,833,990
13 14 -1 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,822,160 1,805,810
15 15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,730,530 1,732,050
18 16 +2 Denver 1,524,210 1,539,380
16 17 -1 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,546,920 1,538,090
17 18 -1 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,524,930 1,520,750
19 19 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,466,420 1,455,620
20 20 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,399,520 1,404,580
21 21 St. Louis 1,249,820 1,249,450
22 22 Portland, OR 1,175,100 1,188,770
23 23 Pittsburgh 1,156,460 1,154,950
24 24 Charlotte 1,122,860 1,147,910
25 25 Indianapolis 1,114,970 1,119,760
27 26 +1 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 1,080,680 1,107,820
26 27 -1 Baltimore 1,102,080 1,093,170
28 28 San Diego 1,066,680 1,073,390
29 29 Nashville 1,016,290 1,019,010
30 30 Hartford & New Haven 1,014,990 1,010,630
33 31 +2 Salt Lake City 919,390 944,060
31 32 -1 Kansas City 937,970 941,360
34 33 +1 Cincinnati 915,570 918,670
32 34 -2 Columbus, OH 925,840 904,030
35 35 Milwaukee 905,350 901,790
36 36 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 858,050 865,810
37 37 San Antonio 818,560 830,000
38 38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 779,430 776,080
41 39 +2 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 738,880 743,4
Not sure where you got these numbers but they are not even close to the real TV markets for a lot of these teams.......especially those who metro areas exceed the numbers you quoted
Not sure where you got these numbers but they are not even close to the real TV markets for a lot of these teams.......especially those who metro areas exceed the numbers you quoted
These are the Neilsen numbers for Designated Market Area. These numbers are for "TV households", not straight population figures. Even if a "household' has 4 different people watching 4 different things on TV it still counts as one household apparently.
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